Football has lost it NHC

[Pretty Boy]

The one that always gets me is Jordan Rhodes. The guy has had tens of millions spent on him to keep taking sideways steps. Talk of another £7M move to again stay in the Championship.

[hibsbollah]

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The one that always gets me is Jordan Rhodes. The guy has had tens of millions spent on him to keep taking sideways steps. Talk of another £7M move to again stay in the Championship.

Wages, not fees, is the thing that gets me. Samir Nasri looked like being one of the best players on the world at one time. The new Zidane. Made successive moves from Marseille to Arsenal and then to Man City in 2011. He's been there for 6 years, fallen out with coaches, being sent out on loan, and in general underperformed in comparison to his massive talent. But during that time he's been earning £200k a week, that's over £10million a year for those 6 years. He's now been transferred to a club in Turkey for just £3million because Man City were that desperate to get him off their books. Tens of millions have been chucked at him, he's rich beyond anyone's wildest dreams but has spent half of his career on the bench. Never mind, Man City gave him a mansion with a nightclub in the basement and he can buy his own Caribbean island.

[jacomo]

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People were saying much the same when Tottenham signed Martin Chivers for £125,000 in the early 1960s.

Adjusted for historic inflation, this is worth approx £3m today.

No other way of saying it - top level football is grotesque. There's a lack of playing facilities at the grass roots and ever more money being siphoned off at the top.

[Lancs Harp]

Valuations are obviously based on what a buyer is willing to pay. As Tony Gale pointed out on SSN why is Coutinho being chased by Barca for about 130 million yet Sanchez is being touted about for about £50 million. An 80mill difference between the two? It all so seems crazy to me and you (and in reality, it is).

[Onceinawhile]

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There's VAT on transfer fees.

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There may well be, but a lot of the net spends are low compared to fees paid so there'll be a balance between input and output vat.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Valuations are obviously based on what a buyer is willing to pay. As Tony Gale pointed out on SSN why is Coutinho being chased by Barca for about 130 million yet Sanchez is being touted about for about £50 million. An 80mill difference between the two? It all so seems crazy to me and you (and in reality, it is).

Sanchez walks for free next summer, Coutinho has years left on his deal.

[Lancs Harp]

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Sanchez walks for free next summer, Coutinho has years left on his deal.

Thats true MW but also adds to the debate that transfer fees is not just about a players ability, but who needs what as far as clubs are concerned, current contracts etc etc which has a direct link to our own situation and the valuation of SJM when people are discussing other transfer fees in relation to what John might or might not be worth.

The bottom line is that a player is worth whatever a club is willing to pay for him and what a selling club is willing to accept and whether the player concerned is happy to move on.

[jacomo]

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Really no idea why everyone is so botheted by this, sit back and enjoy it, it doesnt effect you one little bit.

Are you joking? Who do you think is paying for this?

If you are a football fan, you are affected by it.

[jgl07]

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Wages, not fees, is the thing that gets me. Samir Nasri looked like being one of the best players on the world at one time. The new Zidane. Made successive moves from Marseille to Arsenal and then to Man City in 2011. He's been there for 6 years, fallen out with coaches, being sent out on loan, and in general underperformed in comparison to his massive talent. But during that time he's been earning £200k a week, that's over £10million a year for those 6 years. He's now been transferred to a club in Turkey for just £3million because Man City were that desperate to get him off their books. Tens of millions have been chucked at him, he's rich beyond anyone's wildest dreams but has spent half of his career on the bench. Never mind, Man City gave him a mansion with a nightclub in the basement and he can buy his own Caribbean island.

Aye and what did City achieve in the five years Nasri was playing for them apart from two League Championships, two League Cups, and a Champions League semi-final. He was a first team regular for the first team (apart from a few months out with injury) until the arrival of Pep Guardiola.

Never mind. Don't let the facts destroy a good doe of prejudice!

[hibsbollah]

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Aye and what did City achieve in the five years Nasri was playing for them apart from two League Championships, two League Cups, and a Champions League semi-final. He was a first team regular for the first team (apart from a few months out with injury) until the arrival of Pep Guardiola.

Never mind. Don't let the facts destroy a good doe of prejudice!

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Prejudice? what evidence do you have that I'm prejudiced? He was a bit player for three of his six years at City and he's been paid tens of millions for sitting on the bench, those are facts.

[WhileTheChief..]

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People were saying much the same when Tottenham signed Martin Chivers for £125,000 in the early 1960s.

Exactly. This chat about prices for players is tedious.

It's always been this way and always will be.

Folk should go watch amateur sport instead of bumping their gums every time a transfer takes place.

How the hell can anyone comment on the value of a player they've never heard of!!

[one day maybe...]

It's a house of cards that will come tumbling down around them all

[Wembley67]

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It's a house of cards that will come tumbling down around them all

People keep on saying this and I really do not know how they think this is going to happen? Even without the Sky deal these clubs would still be doing exactly the same, the cards will not come tumbling down unless everyone stops taking an interest in football worldwide which is never going to happen!

[jacomo]

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Exactly. This chat about prices for players is tedious.

It's always been this way and always will be.

Folk should go watch amateur sport instead of bumping their gums every time a transfer takes place.

How the hell can anyone comment on the value of a player they've never heard of!!

The inflation in wages and transfer fees is unprecedented. The record transfer fee has more than doubled in 12 months.

This is not how it has 'always been'.

The people creaming off our money from the game are delighted at supine fans like you, who have no opinion on the obscene and ridiculous disparity in money except to criticise those who have an opinion.

[WhileTheChief..]

Who are the people creaming the money off? The players?

Are you really suggesting that it's cause of 'people like me' that have caused this??!

I guess clubs need to run figures by people like you to decide what's appropriate or not?

I don't think there's anything obscene at all about the wages being paid or the transfer fees. Are you suggesting there should be a cap on both?

Are you suggesting any kind of alternative or are you just bumpin your gums some more?!

[Haymaker]

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Prejudice? what evidence do you have that I'm prejudiced? He was a bit player for three of his six years at City and he's been paid tens of millions for sitting on the bench, those are facts.

I loved him as a young player, thought he was going to the very top. Young men given so much money though.

[jacomo]

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Who are the people creaming the money off? The players?

Are you really suggesting that it's cause of 'people like me' that have caused this??!

I guess clubs need to run figures by people like you to decide what's appropriate or not?

I don't think there's anything obscene at all about the wages being paid or the transfer fees. Are you suggesting there should be a cap on both?

Are you suggesting any kind of alternative or are you just bumpin your gums some more?!

The players are at the end of a line that includes all sorts of hucksters and chancers. Of course the players aren't going to trim down a pay rise but many are being egged on by people only in it for themselves.

Clubs in the U.K. don't even adhere by their own Fit and Proper Person tests, let alone consider more fundamental changes such as the kind of ownership model used in Germany.

When kids can't find anywhere to play and schools can't afford to do football them yes it is obscene to see so much money lavished on so few.

One of the few things that might bring about change is public outcry - but you tell anyone concerned about where the game is going to go watch amateur sport instead.

I've no problem with footballers earning lots of money. Many of them don't come from much and football is like winning the lottery. Good luck to them.

But the game is corrupt.

[hibsdaft]

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And ripe for money laundering...

I've been wondering about that too. Some of this stuff looks very suspicious.

[WhileTheChief..]

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The players are at the end of a line that includes all sorts of hucksters and chancers. Of course the players aren't going to trim down a pay rise but many are being egged on by people only in it for themselves.

Clubs in the U.K. don't even adhere by their own Fit and Proper Person tests, let alone consider more fundamental changes such as the kind of ownership model used in Germany.

When kids can't find anywhere to play and schools can't afford to do football them yes it is obscene to see so much money lavished on so few.

One of the few things that might bring about change is public outcry - but you tell anyone concerned about where the game is going to go watch amateur sport instead.

I've no problem with footballers earning lots of money. Many of them don't come from much and football is like winning the lottery. Good luck to them.

But the game is corrupt.

You want public outcry to try and change things.

Could it maybe be that it is you that is out of touch?

I don't see any mass protests about this and reckon that's probably because most folk don't see it as a problem.

The game is not corrupt. That's typical hyperbole. If you really believed this I doubt you would continue to watch the game!

I really don't care about fit and proper tests, financial fair play or how much a players goes for when sold from Spain to France. None of that is football to me.

I'll continue to enjoy watching Hibs and other games that appeal without worrying about the financial aspects of the game or thinking that we've lost before a ball is kicked.

I do not take any responsibility at all for being 'supine' with my opinions and I'm not going to fall out or argue with another Hibby over how much someone earns. Peace.