Celtic ...... Premiership teams' windfall

[Sean1875]

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It's £3m shared between the 11 other spl teams giving each team £272,000 each. Not to be sniffed at but yes we shouldn't be relying on celtic but we'll take the money and put it to good use I'm sure.

I read it the other day as 4.4million Euros. Nit picking though, agree with your point.

[Keith_M]

I'm one of a rare bread that doesn't mind too much if the other Scottish Clubs (with two exceptions) progress in Europe, so well done Celtc, as they've basically qualified.

What does concern me is the sheer amount of money they'll get from this, putting them ever further beyond any possible challenge. We already can't compete with lower league English Clubs when it comes to signing half decent players and this is creating an even worse situation in our own league.

[NYHibby]

This is from last year, but it explains why we are getting the money. http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionslea...d=2398575.html

The solidarity payments to non-participating clubs via their national associations and/or leagues will now represent 5% of the overall gross revenues of the two competitions.

• Of this amount, 80% will be distributed to national associations and/or leagues with at least one club participating in the UEFA Champions League group stage and 20% to national associations and/or leagues with no participating clubs in the UEFA Champions League group stage.

Furthermore, as introduced for season 2015/16, the distribution to national associations and/or leagues will no longer be exclusively based on their market value. Instead, 60% of the available amounts will be distributed in equal shares among all national associations and/or leagues and 40% will be distributed according to the value of the TV market of each respective association in the UEFA Champions League.

Only clubs not participating in the group stage of either the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League will be entitled to a share of these solidarity payments.

[Hibbyradge]

£270k isn't a lot compared to Celtic's windfall, but for several SPFL clubs, it's an extremely important and timely windfall.

Hamilton, for example, only have £240k cash at hand, so this amount will give them much needed breathing space.

We need teams to survive in order to have a league to play in and this helps, so I welcome it.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Agree it is a bit like paupers getting the scraps from the rich mans table. The whole champions league is a total sham and helps no one bar the teams involved and increases the chances of the same teams year after year which no doubt suits they clubs but as a competition or spectacle is boring with little or no chance of teams joining the party unless they get some oligarch taking over them.

Indeed and that is why I think that if there is never going to be a way to change this situation to level the playing field then the culture of what it means to be a football fan has to change instead ...... IMO the seeds of that change have already been sewn and I make no apology for once again citing St Pauli football club as the benchmark for that new attitude.

This is a club where just being a St Pauli fan is far more important to their supporters than 70 million quid signings or a groaning trophy cabinet. The culture that surrounds the club and its view of the world is far more important to them than having the rest of Germany or Europe seething in jealousy over their domination on the pitch .... so much so that their fans would revolt en masse at the prospect of some Chinese or Russian billionaire trying to take it over and putting its fan led culture in jeopardy.

The net result of this is that even though the club currently languishes in Bundesliga 2, has never won a national competition and shares a city with a far larger and far more historically successful club the stadium is rammed every time they play at home. That is why any European football fan with more than a passing interest in the game knows who St Pauli football club are and admires the passion and dedication of the clubs support.

I'm sure the clubs fans would love to see it win the Bundesliga and be successful in Europe, but not at any cost and certainly not at the expense of the clubs identity .... for them just supporting the club and their pride in how they support it is by far and away the most important thing and for me that's exactly how Hibs and clubs like us should be approaching football these days.

I'm just as proud of the social history of Hibs as I am of any success it has on the pitch. I'm just as proud of the fact that we have one of the best, if not the best, strips in British football. I'm proud that we have a unique song to sing on the terraces that's admired by fans of other clubs, and envied by some Its just as much a source of pride to me when I see and hear a fantastic backing from the terraces by the clubs fans as any win on the park gives me. I love it that Hibs are as much in the minds of the public due to the club appearing in popular culture like Trainspotting and Rebus as it is for anything it has done on the pitch.

In short .... Its guid tae be a Hibby even if we aren't Real Madrid or Barcelona and what more reason do you need to rock up at ER every Saturday than that.

GGTTH

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Meh. Not fussed. It doesn't have a great impact on our finances. season ticket sale, walk ups etc is what will drive any profit we make this year. Only with this we get to hear the "Bhoys" patronising the rest of Scottish fitbaw and how they're keeping clubs afloat.

Biggest thing for me, Hibs are self sufficient. too many clubs "rely on the old firm coin. Until we get back to a bigger league and an FA that will promote and back our game NOTHING will ever change. The rich will get richer and without disrespecting clubs like Killie/Motherwell they will continue to survive on bringing in journeymen and having crowds of 3k. That would require a short term hit financially but longer term for fan base, youth development and player recruitment it would be the rebirth of our game We've proven we're a passionate country for the sport.

Yes, this is good for Celtic but good for the overall landscape of Scottish football? Na not for me

[Mr White]

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We are scheduled to play them at Parkhead 3 or 4 days after the 2nd CL group stage match and at ER 3 or 4 days after the 6th group stage match.

I'll take that!

[hibee_nation]

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Indeed and that is why I think that if there is never going to be a way to change this situation to level the playing field then the culture of what it means to be a football fan has to change instead ...... IMO the seeds of that change have already been sewn and I make no apology for once again citing St Pauli football club as the benchmark for that new attitude.

This is a club where just being a St Pauli fan is far more important to their supporters than 70 million quid signings or a groaning trophy cabinet. The culture that surrounds the club and its view of the world is far more important to them than having the rest of Germany or Europe seething in jealousy over their domination on the pitch .... so much so that their fans would revolt en masse at the prospect of some Chinese or Russian billionaire trying to take it over and putting its fan led culture in jeopardy.

The net result of this is that even though the club currently languishes in Bundesliga 2, has never won a national competition and shares a city with a far larger and far more historically successful club the stadium is rammed every time they play at home. That is why any European football fan with more than a passing interest in the game knows who St Pauli football club are and admires the passion and dedication of the clubs support.

I'm sure the clubs fans would love to see it win the Bundesliga and be successful in Europe, but not at any cost and certainly not at the expense of the clubs identity .... for them just supporting the club and their pride in how they support it is by far and away the most important thing and for me that's exactly how Hibs and clubs like us should be approaching football these days.

I'm just as proud of the social history of Hibs as I am of any success it has on the pitch. I'm just as proud of the fact that we have one of the best, if not the best, strips in British football. I'm proud that we have a unique song to sing on the terraces that's admired by fans of other clubs, and envied by some Its just as much a source of pride to me when I see and hear a fantastic backing from the terraces by the clubs fans as any win on the park gives me. I love it that Hibs are as much in the minds of the public due to the club appearing in popular culture like Trainspotting and Rebus as it is for anything it has done on the pitch.

In short .... Its guid tae be a Hibby even if we aren't Real Madrid or Barcelona and what more reason do you need to rock up at ER every Saturday than that.

GGTTH

I was gonna put THIS but i know it upsets some so well said fellow Hibee fan.

[Iggy Pope]

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Primary reason why previously crap little clubs like Maribor, Braga etc are so far in front of us

Do Braga get a wee windfall every time Benfica or Sporting progress in the CL? Surely they will and I doubt they'll refuse it.

[Iggy Pope]

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Indeed and that is why I think that if there is never going to be a way to change this situation to level the playing field then the culture of what it means to be a football fan has to change instead ...... IMO the seeds of that change have already been sewn and I make no apology for once again citing St Pauli football club as the benchmark for that new attitude.

This is a club where just being a St Pauli fan is far more important to their supporters than 70 million quid signings or a groaning trophy cabinet. The culture that surrounds the club and its view of the world is far more important to them than having the rest of Germany or Europe seething in jealousy over their domination on the pitch .... so much so that their fans would revolt en masse at the prospect of some Chinese or Russian billionaire trying to take it over and putting its fan led culture in jeopardy.

The net result of this is that even though the club currently languishes in Bundesliga 2, has never won a national competition and shares a city with a far larger and far more historically successful club the stadium is rammed every time they play at home. That is why any European football fan with more than a passing interest in the game knows who St Pauli football club are and admires the passion and dedication of the clubs support.

I'm sure the clubs fans would love to see it win the Bundesliga and be successful in Europe, but not at any cost and certainly not at the expense of the clubs identity .... for them just supporting the club and their pride in how they support it is by far and away the most important thing and for me that's exactly how Hibs and clubs like us should be approaching football these days.

I'm just as proud of the social history of Hibs as I am of any success it has on the pitch. I'm just as proud of the fact that we have one of the best, if not the best, strips in British football. I'm proud that we have a unique song to sing on the terraces that's admired by fans of other clubs, and envied by some Its just as much a source of pride to me when I see and hear a fantastic backing from the terraces by the clubs fans as any win on the park gives me. I love it that Hibs are as much in the minds of the public due to the club appearing in popular culture like Trainspotting and Rebus as it is for anything it has done on the pitch.

In short .... Its guid tae be a Hibby even if we aren't Real Madrid or Barcelona and what more reason do you need to rock up at ER every Saturday than that.

GGTTH

They're also very trendy.Unbearably so.

But do they get a few bob from the exploits of Bayern and Dortmund? This windfall only happens here?

Edit. By the way, Hamburg can go **** themselves!

[G B Young]

I don't actually understand why other Scottish clubs receive money as a result of Celtic's participation in the Champions League?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Meh. Not fussed. It doesn't have a great impact on our finances. season ticket sale, walk ups etc is what will drive any profit we make this year. Only with this we get to hear the "Bhoys" patronising the rest of Scottish fitbaw and how they're keeping clubs afloat.

Biggest thing for me, Hibs are self sufficient. too many clubs "rely on the old firm coin. Until we get back to a bigger league and an FA that will promote and back our game NOTHING will ever change. The rich will get richer and without disrespecting clubs like Killie/Motherwell they will continue to survive on bringing in journeymen and having crowds of 3k. That would require a short term hit financially but longer term for fan base, youth development and player recruitment it would be the rebirth of our game We've proven we're a passionate country for the sport.

Yes, this is good for Celtic but good for the overall landscape of Scottish football? Na not for me

It's 2 decent players for a year, or 1 for 2 years.

[Mr White]

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I don't actually understand why other Scottish clubs receive money as a result of Celtic's participation in the Champions League?

I think it's Uefa's payoff to compensate the qualifying club's domestic rivals (assuming domestic rivalry exists...) for the financial rewards that CL group stage clubs receive. It's not much but a "something is better than nothing" kind of compensation.

[danhibees1875]

We're not going to compete with Celtic. That ship sailed before I was born, I've never known anything different and I doubt I ever will.

It's a bit of extra money to everyone so that each team in Scotland can secure 1/2 extra decent players and have a generally more entertaining game. If Celtic do well enough it maybe even means an extra European place (or at least not losing what we currently have).

Outwith rangers and Hearts, I'll support any Scottish team getting as far as they can in Europe.

[Hfcwilson3192]

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If Celtic complete the business against Astana, apparently every other Premiership club will receive £365k, to be used for youth development. Probably a good reason to stop wishing failure on them as a matter of course.

Always want our wee brothers from the west to do well in europe like they are the only ones flying the flag for our country. Hopefully we push on and try and get ourselves into the europa league group stages.

[erin go bragh]

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We're not going to compete with Celtic. That ship sailed before I was born, I've never known anything different and I doubt I ever will.

It's a bit of extra money to everyone so that each team in Scotland can secure 1/2 extra decent players and have a generally more entertaining game. If Celtic do well enough it maybe even means an extra European place (or at least not losing what we currently have).

Outwith rangers and Hearts, I'll support any Scottish team getting as far as they can in Europe.

Who would have thought Leicester would have competed with Man City ,Chelsea ect . They won the league. Nothing is impossible imo .
I agree with supporting every team bar the Huns and diet Huns in Europe tho .

[hughio]

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Seems like money for nothing. Straight into SJM's hipper to dissuade him from joining them is what I would do.

Excellent idea.Leanne please confirm agreement.

[hughio]

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Indeed and that is why I think that if there is never going to be a way to change this situation to level the playing field then the culture of what it means to be a football fan has to change instead ...... IMO the seeds of that change have already been sewn and I make no apology for once again citing St Pauli football club as the benchmark for that new attitude.

This is a club where just being a St Pauli fan is far more important to their supporters than 70 million quid signings or a groaning trophy cabinet. The culture that surrounds the club and its view of the world is far more important to them than having the rest of Germany or Europe seething in jealousy over their domination on the pitch .... so much so that their fans would revolt en masse at the prospect of some Chinese or Russian billionaire trying to take it over and putting its fan led culture in jeopardy.

The net result of this is that even though the club currently languishes in Bundesliga 2, has never won a national competition and shares a city with a far larger and far more historically successful club the stadium is rammed every time they play at home. That is why any European football fan with more than a passing interest in the game knows who St Pauli football club are and admires the passion and dedication of the clubs support.

I'm sure the clubs fans would love to see it win the Bundesliga and be successful in Europe, but not at any cost and certainly not at the expense of the clubs identity .... for them just supporting the club and their pride in how they support it is by far and away the most important thing and for me that's exactly how Hibs and clubs like us should be approaching football these days.

I'm just as proud of the social history of Hibs as I am of any success it has on the pitch. I'm just as proud of the fact that we have one of the best, if not the best, strips in British football. I'm proud that we have a unique song to sing on the terraces that's admired by fans of other clubs, and envied by some Its just as much a source of pride to me when I see and hear a fantastic backing from the terraces by the clubs fans as any win on the park gives me. I love it that Hibs are as much in the minds of the public due to the club appearing in popular culture like Trainspotting and Rebus as it is for anything it has done on the pitch.

In short .... Its guid tae be a Hibby even if we aren't Real Madrid or Barcelona and what more reason do you need to rock up at ER every Saturday than that.

GGTTH

Nice post

[hibsboy07]

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Indeed and that is why I think that if there is never going to be a way to change this situation to level the playing field then the culture of what it means to be a football fan has to change instead ...... IMO the seeds of that change have already been sewn and I make no apology for once again citing St Pauli football club as the benchmark for that new attitude.

This is a club where just being a St Pauli fan is far more important to their supporters than 70 million quid signings or a groaning trophy cabinet. The culture that surrounds the club and its view of the world is far more important to them than having the rest of Germany or Europe seething in jealousy over their domination on the pitch .... so much so that their fans would revolt en masse at the prospect of some Chinese or Russian billionaire trying to take it over and putting its fan led culture in jeopardy.

The net result of this is that even though the club currently languishes in Bundesliga 2, has never won a national competition and shares a city with a far larger and far more historically successful club the stadium is rammed every time they play at home. That is why any European football fan with more than a passing interest in the game knows who St Pauli football club are and admires the passion and dedication of the clubs support.

I'm sure the clubs fans would love to see it win the Bundesliga and be successful in Europe, but not at any cost and certainly not at the expense of the clubs identity .... for them just supporting the club and their pride in how they support it is by far and away the most important thing and for me that's exactly how Hibs and clubs like us should be approaching football these days.

I'm just as proud of the social history of Hibs as I am of any success it has on the pitch. I'm just as proud of the fact that we have one of the best, if not the best, strips in British football. I'm proud that we have a unique song to sing on the terraces that's admired by fans of other clubs, and envied by some Its just as much a source of pride to me when I see and hear a fantastic backing from the terraces by the clubs fans as any win on the park gives me. I love it that Hibs are as much in the minds of the public due to the club appearing in popular culture like Trainspotting and Rebus as it is for anything it has done on the pitch.

In short .... Its guid tae be a Hibby even if we aren't Real Madrid or Barcelona and what more reason do you need to rock up at ER every Saturday than that.

GGTTH

Brilliant piece well put👏

[Bishop Hibee]

I always want Celtc, Oldco/Newco and the Yams to lose every European game they play. The crowing from Celtic fans is unbearable enough post-treble without them doing well in Europe. Yes the £270K is welcome but it's chicken feed really compared to the £25m Celtc get. The demise of Oldco showed Scottish football can thrive without the OF. Imagine how much it would thrive if the league wasn't a one horse race?

[NAE NOOKIE]

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They're also very trendy.Unbearably so.

But do they get a few bob from the exploits of Bayern and Dortmund? This windfall only happens here?

Edit. By the way, Hamburg can go **** themselves!

I know mate, but they are trendy for the right reasons ..... better that than wild claims of having 100,000,000 so called 'supporters' all over the world like Real Madrid ... now that does make me puke.

St Pauli attract a certain demographic because of their socialist politics and 'punk' style fans ..... I don't think Hibs could make a go of that, but there are many facets of our identity which could be drawn upon to make us attractive as a club to follow. I don't think there's a lot of doubt that by and large we lean to the left as a support and are certainly more 'bohemian' in outlook than for example our city neighbours.

[CockneyRebel]

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I'm sure it's ring-fenced for youth development but an accountant could probably work his or her creative imagination in some respect.

Could just spend that money on youth development and then use what we would have spent of our own money on whatever we like?

[Iggy Pope]

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I know mate, but they are trendy for the right reasons ..... better that than wild claims of having 100,000,000 so called 'supporters' all over the world like Real Madrid ... now that does make me puke.

St Pauli attract a certain demographic because of their socialist politics and 'punk' style fans ..... I don't think Hibs could make a go of that, but there are many facets of our identity which could be drawn upon to make us attractive as a club to follow. I don't think there's a lot of doubt that by and large we lean to the left as a support and are certainly more 'bohemian' in outlook than for example our city neighbours.

Largely agree, 99%, but I also know a couple of Germans who puke at the thought of St Pauli being so hip.
The bloody t-shirts are everywhere.
I've had punks preach at me how to pronounce "ZanPowlee". Punks that wouldn't know a penalty box from their chocolate box.
Our identity has been out there for a long time and I think the club do OK by it. As fans of the club, we do too. James Connolly after all was "a good socialist and a ****ing good Hibby"... (copyright I. Welsh!)....

[rcarter1]

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I always want Celtc, Oldco/Newco and the Yams to lose every European game they play. The crowing from Celtic fans is unbearable enough post-treble without them doing well in Europe. Yes the £270K is welcome but it's chicken feed really compared to the £25m Celtc get. The demise of Oldco showed Scottish football can thrive without the OF. Imagine how much it would thrive if the league wasn't a one horse race?

I'm delighted to see Celtic into the group stages - that distraction for them gives us a better chance of winning the league..

[neil7908]

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£270k isn't a lot compared to Celtic's windfall, but for several SPFL clubs, it's an extremely important and timely windfall.

Hamilton, for example, only have £240k cash at hand, so this amount will give them much needed breathing space.

We need teams to survive in order to have a league to play in and this helps, so I welcome it.

Breathing space yes but for how long? It's all short term thinking with no attempt to deal with the long term, structural issues in our game.

[snooky]

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Fair enough, it's a decent amount of cash but I still don't think it's beneficial for our game that one team, already miles ahead, is going to get an extra £30m+.

It's classic example of where things are in Scotland - we get scraps and are told to feel grateful.

It's short term thinking that is doing huge damage in the long run.

[madabouthibs]

I'm quite happy for ANY Scottish club to do well on the Euro scene. If we get nearly half a million bucks from it then that's a huge bonus for us. Free money is always welcome. 😁

[Hibbyradge]

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Breathing space yes but for how long? It's all short term thinking with no attempt to deal with the long term, structural issues in our game.

They're separate issues, though.

The windfall money is a UEFA initiative, nothing to do with the structure of the Scottish game.

I don't understand how it would have been more beneficial to Hamilton, for example, if Celtic failed to qualify for the group stages.

The more money that comes into Scottish football, the better, imo.

[CABBAGEMAD]

Do we qualify for the cash thought it was only the teams that were in the league the season that they won the league that get the windfall

[Jim44]

There's more about this in the papers this morning. Rodgers is milking it saying that all the other Scottish clubs should be fawning over Celtic's progress in the Champions League as it's financially fantastic for Scottish football. Personally I find his attitude and comments quite patronising and think in fact he's winding folk up. I've really gone off him, not that I ever did like him.