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    Reward the Young chievers or not?

    Read Falkirk Fc rewarded exam achievers with free entry into a match based on exam awards. Personally I was horrified as it demonstrates an elitist outlook. Surely the ones left behind should be given any freebies not the ones who will stroll through an already corrupted 'winners' society?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Read Falkirk Fc rewarded exam achievers with free entry into a match based on exam awards. Personally I was horrified as it demonstrates an elitist outlook. Surely the ones left behind should be given any freebies not the ones who will stroll through an already corrupted 'winners' society?
    Are you pished?

    Since when did passing an exam make someone elitist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapitalGreen View Post
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    Are you pished?

    Since when did passing an exam make someone elitist?
    I didn't state passing an exam made anyone elitist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Read Falkirk Fc rewarded exam achievers with free entry into a match based on exam awards. Personally I was horrified as it demonstrates an elitist outlook. Surely the ones left behind should be given any freebies not the ones who will stroll through an already corrupted 'winners' society?

    Couldn't we flip that around and say your suggestion is rewarding failure?

    Whats wrong with a small reward (entry to a Falkirk 3rd round league cup fixture is hardly elite) for those who've worked hard to achieve something? To say they will 'stroll through' is very belittling to the hard work these kids have put in and will need to continue to put in to succeed in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McD View Post
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    Couldn't we flip that around and say your suggestion is rewarding failure?

    Whats wrong with a small reward (entry to a Falkirk 3rd round league cup fixture is hardly elite) for those who've worked hard to achieve something? To say they will 'stroll through' is very belittling to the hard work these kids have put in and will need to continue to put in to succeed in life.
    Not so much rewarding failure as opposed to sending out the message that the kids who missed out on exam success are still relevant to the community. I just think it was the wrong signal from a community football club to exclude a whole swathe of kids from free entry who for one reason or another didn't do so well at their exams or weren't able to and provide free entry for those who did pass their exams. I just think its wrong in this day and age to be so elitist and non-inclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Not so much rewarding failure as opposed to sending out the message that the kids who missed out on exam success are still relevant to the community. I just think it was the wrong signal from a community football club to exclude a whole swathe of kids from free entry who for one reason or another didn't do so well at their exams or weren't able to and provide free entry for those who did pass their exams. I just think its wrong in this day and age to be so elitist and non-inclusive.
    Do you support the removal of medals from sports days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapitalGreen View Post
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    Do you support the removal of medals from sports days?
    No.

    However I simply think its wrong for a community football club to allow some kids in on matchday for free based on their exam results whereby excluding others who didn't do so well or maybe weren't able to. I think Falkirk were being elitist and non-inclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    No.

    However I simply think its wrong for a community football club to allow some kids in on matchday for free based on their exam results whereby excluding others who didn't do so well or maybe weren't able to. I think Falkirk were being elitist and non-inclusive.
    So you think it's ok for a community school to reward some kids with a medal based on how fast they can run carrying an egg on a spoon whereby excluding others who didn't do so well or maybe weren't able to. Do you not think the school were being elitist and non-inclusive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Not so much rewarding failure as opposed to sending out the message that the kids who missed out on exam success are still relevant to the community. I just think it was the wrong signal from a community football club to exclude a whole swathe of kids from free entry who for one reason or another didn't do so well at their exams or weren't able to and provide free entry for those who did pass their exams. I just think its wrong in this day and age to be so elitist and non-inclusive.

    So where do we draw the line then?
    Should colleges and and universities be made to allow anyone onto a course, whether they've gained the appropriate exam requirements, as to exclude kids who've not passed their exams would be elitist?
    Should professional sports teams/clubs be made to allow anyone who fancies a game take part, as to say that only Stokes or SJM et al can play is surely elitist? In fact, shouldn't we do away with leagues and cups altogether as that must mean there will be winners and losers?


    I've no great affection for Falkirk, but they took an opportunity to say well done to any kids who've done well in their exams (as stated above, kids are examined on their appropriate scholastic level, so almost all will have passes, unless they chose to not show up), well done to them. A wee bit of fun for the kids, a wee bit of positive PR for Falkirk FC.

    If they had offered to provide a round the world trip for the creme de la creme of Falkirk's highest IQ students and publicly marched the lowest through the town centre , ringing a bell shouting 'Shame!' at them, I'd be inclined to agree with you. As it is, you're over reacting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Read Falkirk Fc rewarded exam achievers with free entry into a match based on exam awards. Personally I was horrified as it demonstrates an elitist outlook. Surely the ones left behind should be given any freebies not the ones who will stroll through an already corrupted 'winners' society?
    Horrified, aye so you were!
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    How's that a reward?

    It'd work better the other way around, fail your exams and you're forced to go to a Falkirk game.

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    Was it not standard grade exams? You sit 8 of them at different difficulty levels based on how you've done throughout the last 2 years if study - would there be many who didn't have a pass of some sort to gain access?

    Unless there is a kid who had their heart set on going to the Falkirk game and ended up disappointed at failing all their exams and then subsequently got shunned by Falkirk then I really don't see the need for anyone to get offended by this.
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    First world problem.

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    Perhaps Falkirk do a whole host of community initiatives that are targeted at various different groups (and thus are "exclusionary" to others). I don't know, but I'd be surprised if their community outreach program consisted of offering a free match to those who've done well in their exams.

    In fact it just says "passed your exams"? What does that mean? It sounds like you don't even have to have done especially well?

    Either way, to say that Falkirk FC is elitist and exclusionary based on 1 x one-off initiative is comedy genius.

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    This thread is nuts. It's getting to the point that you can't do anything without someone taking offence or moaning about it.

    Falkirk is rewarding hard work and success. A bit like me handing out extra pocket money if my son passes a test or tidies his room well. I'm an avowed elitist though.

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    I think Hibs should do the same. Those who pass their exams should be invited to Easter Road and those who fail can go to Tynecastle. You'd be forgiven for thinking this already happens.

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    We already massively undervalue academic and intellectual achievement as a society. Don't see anything wrong with trying to buck this trend.

    I think it's a good scheme.

    There are many opportunities and resources only given to kids who aren't or can't engage academically in a "mainstream" way.

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    This is a little off topic, but given that I just wrote a lengthy post on 19th century American history, if anyone is interested in an academic debate over the role of education in improving society they may find the debate between W. E. B. Du Bois and Booker T. Washington interesting.

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