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    Reward the Young chievers or not?

    Read Falkirk Fc rewarded exam achievers with free entry into a match based on exam awards. Personally I was horrified as it demonstrates an elitist outlook. Surely the ones left behind should be given any freebies not the ones who will stroll through an already corrupted 'winners' society?


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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Read Falkirk Fc rewarded exam achievers with free entry into a match based on exam awards. Personally I was horrified as it demonstrates an elitist outlook. Surely the ones left behind should be given any freebies not the ones who will stroll through an already corrupted 'winners' society?
    Are you pished?

    Since when did passing an exam make someone elitist?

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    Are you pished?

    Since when did passing an exam make someone elitist?
    I didn't state passing an exam made anyone elitist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Read Falkirk Fc rewarded exam achievers with free entry into a match based on exam awards. Personally I was horrified as it demonstrates an elitist outlook. Surely the ones left behind should be given any freebies not the ones who will stroll through an already corrupted 'winners' society?

    Couldn't we flip that around and say your suggestion is rewarding failure?

    Whats wrong with a small reward (entry to a Falkirk 3rd round league cup fixture is hardly elite) for those who've worked hard to achieve something? To say they will 'stroll through' is very belittling to the hard work these kids have put in and will need to continue to put in to succeed in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Read Falkirk Fc rewarded exam achievers with free entry into a match based on exam awards. Personally I was horrified as it demonstrates an elitist outlook. Surely the ones left behind should be given any freebies not the ones who will stroll through an already corrupted 'winners' society?
    Horrified, aye so you were!
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    How's that a reward?

    It'd work better the other way around, fail your exams and you're forced to go to a Falkirk game.

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    Couldn't we flip that around and say your suggestion is rewarding failure?

    Whats wrong with a small reward (entry to a Falkirk 3rd round league cup fixture is hardly elite) for those who've worked hard to achieve something? To say they will 'stroll through' is very belittling to the hard work these kids have put in and will need to continue to put in to succeed in life.
    Not so much rewarding failure as opposed to sending out the message that the kids who missed out on exam success are still relevant to the community. I just think it was the wrong signal from a community football club to exclude a whole swathe of kids from free entry who for one reason or another didn't do so well at their exams or weren't able to and provide free entry for those who did pass their exams. I just think its wrong in this day and age to be so elitist and non-inclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Not so much rewarding failure as opposed to sending out the message that the kids who missed out on exam success are still relevant to the community. I just think it was the wrong signal from a community football club to exclude a whole swathe of kids from free entry who for one reason or another didn't do so well at their exams or weren't able to and provide free entry for those who did pass their exams. I just think its wrong in this day and age to be so elitist and non-inclusive.
    Do you support the removal of medals from sports days?

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    Do you support the removal of medals from sports days?
    No.

    However I simply think its wrong for a community football club to allow some kids in on matchday for free based on their exam results whereby excluding others who didn't do so well or maybe weren't able to. I think Falkirk were being elitist and non-inclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    No.

    However I simply think its wrong for a community football club to allow some kids in on matchday for free based on their exam results whereby excluding others who didn't do so well or maybe weren't able to. I think Falkirk were being elitist and non-inclusive.
    So you think it's ok for a community school to reward some kids with a medal based on how fast they can run carrying an egg on a spoon whereby excluding others who didn't do so well or maybe weren't able to. Do you not think the school were being elitist and non-inclusive?

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    So you think it's ok for a community school to reward some kids with a medal based on how fast they can run carrying an egg on a spoon whereby excluding others who didn't do so well or maybe weren't able to. Do you not think the school were being elitist and non-inclusive?
    Sports days are normally fun with everyone involved in some capacity.


    A community football club excluding a section of kids from free entry while allowing in those who passed their exams is for me elitist and non-inclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Sports days are normally fun with everyone involved in some capacity.


    A community football club excluding a section of kids from free entry while allowing in those who passed their exams is for me elitist and non-inclusive.
    One thing that annoys me in this world is that every great gesture is guaranteed to attract folk like you who are just desperate to over shadow it with negativity. Whether it be donations,gifts or other gestures you lot are always ready to pounce eh!

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    One thing that annoys me in this world is that every great gesture is guaranteed to attract folk like you who are just desperate to over shadow it with negativity. Whether it be donations,gifts or other gestures you lot are always ready to pounce eh!
    I think a great gesture would have been to state 'all' the kids can apply for free entry on the specified matchday regardless of having passed their exams or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    I think a great gesture would have been to state 'all' the kids can apply for free entry on the specified matchday regardless of having passed their exams or not.
    Including those who will "stroll through a corrupted elitist society"?

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    Including those who will "stroll through a corrupted elitist society"?

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    Don't you think society could be more inclusive and equal?

    Yes, It would have been a great gesture if Falkirk had opened its doors for 'all' the kids not just those who had passed their exams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Don't you think society could be more inclusive and equal?

    Yes, It would have been a great gesture if Falkirk had opened its doors for 'all' the kids not just those who had passed their exams.
    The suggestion that teenagers who have just passed school exams will stroll through life is naive and unrealistic IMO.

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    The suggestion that teenagers who have just passed school exams will stroll through life is naive and unrealistic IMO.

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    What's your opinion on my main point of Falkirk providing free entry for the kids who passed their exams and not the kids who didn't?

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    You have problems when you remove rewards for success.

    When kids who are used to winning medals for taking part reach adulthood, they don't know what to do when they apply for jobs and don't get them. They don't know what to do when there are people out there who have better exam results, more experience and work harder earning more money than them as they feel entitled to those rewards.

    Do we have an unfair society and can we do more to make it fairer? Absolutely?

    Do we need to do more to ensure that every child has an equal opportunity in life? Absolutely.

    Do we do this by rewarding failure and constantly worrying about hurting feelings? No.

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    A nutty idea in my view. Luckily, being Falkirk, it shouldn't make much difference to the attendance.

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    Was it not standard grade exams? You sit 8 of them at different difficulty levels based on how you've done throughout the last 2 years if study - would there be many who didn't have a pass of some sort to gain access?

    Unless there is a kid who had their heart set on going to the Falkirk game and ended up disappointed at failing all their exams and then subsequently got shunned by Falkirk then I really don't see the need for anyone to get offended by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    Not so much rewarding failure as opposed to sending out the message that the kids who missed out on exam success are still relevant to the community. I just think it was the wrong signal from a community football club to exclude a whole swathe of kids from free entry who for one reason or another didn't do so well at their exams or weren't able to and provide free entry for those who did pass their exams. I just think its wrong in this day and age to be so elitist and non-inclusive.

    So where do we draw the line then?
    Should colleges and and universities be made to allow anyone onto a course, whether they've gained the appropriate exam requirements, as to exclude kids who've not passed their exams would be elitist?
    Should professional sports teams/clubs be made to allow anyone who fancies a game take part, as to say that only Stokes or SJM et al can play is surely elitist? In fact, shouldn't we do away with leagues and cups altogether as that must mean there will be winners and losers?


    I've no great affection for Falkirk, but they took an opportunity to say well done to any kids who've done well in their exams (as stated above, kids are examined on their appropriate scholastic level, so almost all will have passes, unless they chose to not show up), well done to them. A wee bit of fun for the kids, a wee bit of positive PR for Falkirk FC.

    If they had offered to provide a round the world trip for the creme de la creme of Falkirk's highest IQ students and publicly marched the lowest through the town centre , ringing a bell shouting 'Shame!' at them, I'd be inclined to agree with you. As it is, you're over reacting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362 View Post
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    What's your opinion on my main point of Falkirk providing free entry for the kids who passed their exams and not the kids who didn't?
    I think it's a reward for those who didn't pass TBH

    However, your post seemed to me to be more about elitism. Still don't get why you would say that kids who pass exams will stroll through life.

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    One of the most risible threads that's appeared in here lately.

    Sure, let's reward all of those who didn't bother their ***** trying a leg during their final exams (because if you can pigeon-hole everyone who passed as 'coasting', you can pigeon-hole everyone who didn't as being lazy and not interested in putting in the necessary work).

    What absolute hogwash.
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    TGI Fridays gave away a free desert to anyone that passed. Duckers should be shut down

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    Kids succeeding in life through academic achievement is a weapon against elitism. That's what allows ordinary kids with brains to break through the glass ceiling of entitled old boys' networks.

    You're fighting the wrong battle I think.

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    Kids succeeding in life through academic achievement is a weapon against elitism. That's what allows ordinary kids with brains to break through the glass ceiling of entitled old boys' networks.

    You're fighting the wrong battle I think.
    My main point was not related to opposing achievement through academia.

    I was simply making the point that to me a community football club should not be alienating kids who didn't pass their exams or were not able to pass them.

    Community football clubs should be reaching out to engage with 'every' kid.

    Providing free matchday tickets exclusively to kids who passed their exams is to me elitist.

    It would have been great if Falkirk had allowed free entry for 'all' the kids irrespective of passing their exams or not giving the signal its 'all' kids matter no matter their academic ability.

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    First world problem.

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    Perhaps Falkirk do a whole host of community initiatives that are targeted at various different groups (and thus are "exclusionary" to others). I don't know, but I'd be surprised if their community outreach program consisted of offering a free match to those who've done well in their exams.

    In fact it just says "passed your exams"? What does that mean? It sounds like you don't even have to have done especially well?

    Either way, to say that Falkirk FC is elitist and exclusionary based on 1 x one-off initiative is comedy genius.

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    This thread is nuts. It's getting to the point that you can't do anything without someone taking offence or moaning about it.

    Falkirk is rewarding hard work and success. A bit like me handing out extra pocket money if my son passes a test or tidies his room well. I'm an avowed elitist though.

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    I think Hibs should do the same. Those who pass their exams should be invited to Easter Road and those who fail can go to Tynecastle. You'd be forgiven for thinking this already happens.

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