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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I see tesla are producing an affordable everyday electric car. Aye 26650 worth of affordable!!!!
    That's pretty average or less than average in the UK for a new car.

    It's meant to go against the likes of the BMW 3 series so the price is fine. You can forget about petrol costs too which is pretty significant.

    It also gets you to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds. Not sure what in the price range does that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
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    That's pretty average or less than average in the UK for a new car.

    It's meant to go against the likes of the BMW 3 series so the price is fine. You can forget about petrol costs too which is pretty significant.

    It also gets you to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds. Not sure what in the price range does that.
    Yes, the average price is just under 29k for a new car in UK.
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    That's pretty average or less than average in the UK for a new car.

    It's meant to go against the likes of the BMW 3 series so the price is fine. You can forget about petrol costs too which is pretty significant.

    It also gets you to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds. Not sure what in the price range does that.
    The base model does 5.9sec...the more expensive one 5.1 sec.

    The equiv mpg is 100 miles per gallon!

    The additional costs are more associated with their autonomous driving package and the extra range but even the base model does over 200 miles on a single charge...the bigger battery does 310!

    It's not the first and it certainly won't be the last but the model 3 will surely go down in history as the turning point of when electric cars became 'affordable' and desirable.

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    The base model does 5.9sec...the more expensive one 5.1 sec.

    The equiv mpg is 100 miles per gallon!

    The additional costs are more associated with their autonomous driving package and the extra range but even the base model does over 200 miles on a single charge...the bigger battery does 310!

    It's not the first and it certainly won't be the last but the model 3 will surely go down in history as the turning point of when electric cars became 'affordable' and desirable.
    Oh and it comes with an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty!

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    Yes, the average price is just under 29k for a new car in UK.
    The 3 most popular cars by sales in the UK are VW Golf, Ford Fiesta and Ford Focus, none of which are 29k. Most people don't spend 26k on a new car, which is my point about the Tesla still not being mainstream.
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    There is no doubting the advances made recently in the design and manufacture of electric vehicles. I remember back in the 70's working on an electric car which had 48 normal car batteries, a top speed of about 15 mph and was constantly on charge and only had one seat. The underlying problem is still that to manufacture each car leaves a carbon footprint of around 22 metric tonnes, and that's before you even drive the thing. What fuel source is all this extra requirement going to use? Be it nuclear, gas, coal whatever, we have to address the fact that there are simply too many vehicles on the go and something drastic, or perhaps brilliant needs to be done.

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    The 3 most popular cars by sales in the UK are VW Golf, Ford Fiesta and Ford Focus, none of which are 29k. Most people don't spend 26k on a new car, which is my point about the Tesla still not being mainstream.
    To get an average of 29k then of course people must pay that.

    The top 3 on the list may come under that, for most of their models, however, within the top 10 there are still plenty cars that will cost more than that - it is firmly within the mainstream on pricing.

    When considering a monthly cost it becomes even more affordable.

    I know when looking at the Model S I was able to chuck it in with cars that on the face of it were a bit lower but would have cost me more in total. Don't think I will go for it this time as the network isn't quite there yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyAsHellas View Post
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    There is no doubting the advances made recently in the design and manufacture of electric vehicles. I remember back in the 70's working on an electric car which had 48 normal car batteries, a top speed of about 15 mph and was constantly on charge and only had one seat. The underlying problem is still that to manufacture each car leaves a carbon footprint of around 22 metric tonnes, and that's before you even drive the thing. What fuel source is all this extra requirement going to use? Be it nuclear, gas, coal whatever, we have to address the fact that there are simply too many vehicles on the go and something drastic, or perhaps brilliant needs to be done.
    Local generation with battery storage is going to become a requirement for all new developments (generation already is pretty much essential on new-build houses), this should be able to provide for some of the needs of electric cars, but nowhere near enough I'd imagine.

    You are correct about the number of vehicles around, I live on a street with 2, 3 and 4 bedroom houses and almost all of them have at least two cars outside them. a fair number have three or four cars outside them.

    I love Tesla's, we lease our (only) car and when the model 3 comes out over here I'm definitely going to crunch some numbers on the lease cost. The majority of our driving is short range city driving with the occasional trip to the borders about as far as we go, so the base model would do us range wise. I reckon we would save approximately 1,500 - 1,800 per year on fuel costs so if the lease cost is less than 100 per month more than a Golf or similar then that would pay for itself.

    We're also building a house in the next year, so (as long as budget allows) I'm planning on getting some battery storage and solar panels put in which should make it an even better proposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio sledge View Post
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    Local generation with battery storage is going to become a requirement for all new developments (generation already is pretty much essential on new-build houses), this should be able to provide for some of the needs of electric cars, but nowhere near enough I'd imagine.

    You are correct about the number of vehicles around, I live on a street with 2, 3 and 4 bedroom houses and almost all of them have at least two cars outside them. a fair number have three or four cars outside them.

    I love Tesla's, we lease our (only) car and when the model 3 comes out over here I'm definitely going to crunch some numbers on the lease cost. The majority of our driving is short range city driving with the occasional trip to the borders about as far as we go, so the base model would do us range wise. I reckon we would save approximately 1,500 - 1,800 per year on fuel costs so if the lease cost is less than 100 per month more than a Golf or similar then that would pay for itself.

    We're also building a house in the next year, so (as long as budget allows) I'm planning on getting some battery storage and solar panels put in which should make it an even better proposition.
    Tesla are suggesting that even if they hit their ambitious production target the Model 3 is already reserved to those who placed deposits until near end 2018.

    There can surely never have been a car that has had such a demand prior to launch!

    And you are spot on re the local generation theme...Tesla of course have the solar tiles to power wall to car concept and is already selling that in the US. Sure it will take time to go mainstream but the technology is there it's all now a matter of adoption rates.

    As for commercial scale then this is just a taste of what is going on https://networks.online/gphsn/news/1...cial-customers

    There really is massive development across the power production and storage areas which allied to massive investment in electric and autonomous vehicles the world really will be a different place in the coming decades.

    The internal combustion engine is not dead (Thermal efficiency rates are still climbing and in some car engines are now twice what they were 20 years ago) but it's surely now at a tipping point where electric will start to get a bigger and bigger market share.

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    I remember seeing a programme about hydrogen powered cars. This seems to me to be the perfect solution to the problem of replacing petrol fulled cars. I don't know if the technology is still being developed or if they've given up on the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I remember seeing a programme about hydrogen powered cars. This seems to me to be the perfect solution to the problem of replacing petrol fulled cars. I don't know if the technology is still being developed or if they've given up on the idea.
    I think Toyota are still pursuing this approach but if so I believe they are the only major car company doing so.

    There are many drawbacks to using hydrogen so I very very much doubt we will ever see hydrogen powered cars as the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I remember seeing a programme about hydrogen powered cars. This seems to me to be the perfect solution to the problem of replacing petrol fulled cars. I don't know if the technology is still being developed or if they've given up on the idea.
    It is still being developed but is generally still pretty expensive to produce (despite its abundance) compared to fossil fuels or even renewable electricity. You can either use electricity to generate hydrogen from water, or use a process to separate hydrogen from methane, however both these methods are expensive and the second method releases CO2 into the atmosphere.

    Once produced, the hydrogen could be stored in tanks like a fuel stations forecourts and pumped into cars. It could them be burned or used to produce electricity to drive an electric motor with the only products of the process being water and oxygen.

    However, Hydrogen is difficult to store, being a volatile gas it needs to be stored at liquid form under pressure. It also is expensive as mentioned earlier.

    As an electricity storage method, it is less efficient than batteries in terms of storage but cleaner. In cars, it would offer the benefit of being able to refill quicker than charging is currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio sledge View Post
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    It is still being developed but is generally still pretty expensive to produce (despite its abundance) compared to fossil fuels or even renewable electricity. You can either use electricity to generate hydrogen from water, or use a process to separate hydrogen from methane, however both these methods are expensive and the second method releases CO2 into the atmosphere.

    Once produced, the hydrogen could be stored in tanks like a fuel stations forecourts and pumped into cars. It could them be burned or used to produce electricity to drive an electric motor with the only products of the process being water and oxygen.

    However, Hydrogen is difficult to store, being a volatile gas it needs to be stored at liquid form under pressure. It also is expensive as mentioned earlier.

    As an electricity storage method, it is less efficient than batteries in terms of storage but cleaner. In cars, it would offer the benefit of being able to refill quicker than charging is currently.
    If those problems could be overcome it would be the ideal fuel for the future. Electric cars are obviously limited by the fact that they have to be charged and the majority of the people who own cars don't live in a house that is suitable for charging their car overnight. There is going to have to be a massive investment in infrastructure to pull this off by the time electric cars are being mass produced.
    I don't buy that ownership will drop by anywhere near the amount people seem to think when driverless cars hit the roads.

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    There's plenty of them round my way (it is a very wealthy area though), even a dealership, and almost everyone I know here is thinking about a tesla in the next 3-5 years when their current cars need upgrading/leases end.

    Its a start although they are bloody eerie zooming by you with no sound.
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    Ill be keeping my old banger on the road for as long as possible before I'm forced to take it off. Hopefully the second hand electric car market will make these sorts of vehicles affordable to those of us on an average UK income.

    An 80% reduction in any sort of car seems very unlikely. People will want the privacy of their own vehicle as they do now.
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    Oh and it comes with an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty!
    There was a scheme to buy them on salary sacrifice, I think. Doubt it would survive any level of popularity!!

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    Tesla are suggesting that even if they hit their ambitious production target the Model 3 is already reserved to those who placed deposits until near end 2018.

    There can surely never have been a car that has had such a demand prior to launch!

    And you are spot on re the local generation theme...Tesla of course have the solar tiles to power wall to car concept and is already selling that in the US. Sure it will take time to go mainstream but the technology is there it's all now a matter of adoption rates.

    As for commercial scale then this is just a taste of what is going on https://networks.online/gphsn/news/1...cial-customers

    There really is massive development across the power production and storage areas which allied to massive investment in electric and autonomous vehicles the world really will be a different place in the coming decades.

    The internal combustion engine is not dead (Thermal efficiency rates are still climbing and in some car engines are now twice what they were 20 years ago) but it's surely now at a tipping point where electric will start to get a bigger and bigger market share.
    I quite tile the solar tiles that look like slates. Most PV retrofits look utterly **** but they should look OK and may vene be acceptable in conservation areas like where I live. Edinburgh planners may be a bit more fussy, though!

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    The 3 most popular cars by sales in the UK are VW Golf, Ford Fiesta and Ford Focus, none of which are 29k. Most people don't spend 26k on a new car, which is my point about the Tesla still not being mainstream.
    The average price paid is still just under 29k though.
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    I quite tile the solar tiles that look like slates. Most PV retrofits look utterly **** but they should look OK and may vene be acceptable in conservation areas like where I live. Edinburgh planners may be a bit more fussy, though!
    I'm with you...the solar panels stuck on roof look is rarely a good one!

    Elon's tiles tho are superb (of a bit pricey) but you can see the potential there.

    If it was me in charge I would be changing the building regs to have every new build have something similar (with powerwall style storage) pretty sharpish. OK that would drive up the basic cost but the running costs of the house would be dramatically reduced as would their use of fossil fuels for heating or from the grid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee View Post
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    The average price paid is still just under 29k though.
    The average price doesn't bare any relevance to the price most people can afford though. The average wage is far more than most people in this country earn. It's a meaningless figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee View Post
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    The average price paid is still just under 29k though.
    Because 1 Bentley Continental bumps the average considerably more than any Toyota Aygo. (the Bentley is 18x the cost of the Toyota)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    Because 1 Bentley Continental bumps the average considerably more than any Toyota Aygo. (the Bentley is 18x the cost of the Toyota)
    Yes I understand how average costs are calculated.
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    That's pretty average or less than average in the UK for a new car.

    It's meant to go against the likes of the BMW 3 series so the price is fine. You can forget about petrol costs too which is pretty significant.

    It also gets you to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds. Not sure what in the price range does that.
    It can do that with tax payer subsidies but look what happens when those are withdrawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLake View Post
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    It can do that with tax payer subsidies but look what happens when those are withdrawn.
    180% import tax!! No wonder the electric cars were so popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee View Post
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    The average price paid is still just under 29k though.
    Base price at launch 35k and it has less range than a Renault Zoe. 2019 before a British Spec car is available as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    Base price at launch 35k and it has less range than a Renault Zoe. 2019 before a British Spec car is available as well.

    https://www.whatcar.com/news/tesla-m...ource=20170802
    Bit unfair to compare the range of the base spec Tesla with the top spec ZOE isn't it? You can also take the 4,500 grant from the government off the 35,000 price.

    A top spec ZOE, with a slightly longer range than the Tesla base spec and quick charging (which the Tesla has as standard) will cost you nearly 30,000 before the government grant. Only 5,000 less than the Tesla.

    They're not even comparable in terms of car type anyway, the Tesla has much more space in it, is faster and a higher spec of interiors etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio sledge View Post
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    Bit unfair to compare the range of the base spec Tesla with the top spec ZOE isn't it? You can also take the 4,500 grant from the government off the 35,000 price.

    A top spec ZOE, with a slightly longer range than the Tesla base spec and quick charging (which the Tesla has as standard) will cost you nearly 30,000 before the government grant. Only 5,000 less than the Tesla.

    They're not even comparable in terms of car type anyway, the Tesla has much more space in it, is faster and a higher spec of interiors etc.
    And not on sale in the UK for another 2 years minimum.
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    I've got a 2015 diesel. i live in manchester. i can pop home to see family in Fife or more importantly watch Hibs on a tank of diesel. right now it costs me 40ish to fill up. the Train at cheap time is usually 60 return. I can go Manchester to Fife and back on one tank. If my other half comes with me that saves us 80 plus we have the car in Scotland for getting around.

    Until they produce a car that can match the range without charge of even a good petrol car then it's not going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jimmy View Post
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    I've got a 2015 diesel. i live in manchester. i can pop home to see family in Fife or more importantly watch Hibs on a tank of diesel. right now it costs me 40ish to fill up. the Train at cheap time is usually 60 return. I can go Manchester to Fife and back on one tank. If my other half comes with me that saves us 80 plus we have the car in Scotland for getting around.

    Until they produce a car that can match the range without charge of even a good petrol car then it's not going to happen.

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    500,000 reservations for the model 3 would suggest otherwise!

    To be fair though this is just the start...who knows what another 10 or so years of development will bring in terms of range, charging speeds etc.

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