Players who underachieved

[21.05.2016]

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Depends what you consider an achievement. Some players never make the big money, but they have long fulfilling careers well into their 30's and keep themselves fit and healthy both physically and mentally. Then there are those who make the big money early on, but they end up having their careers cut short as a result of the money going to their heads and causing them to make stupid choices.

Very true. Take Lewis Stevenson for example, he found his level at hibs, will be earning a decent enough wage here but hardly "mega bucks" but I reckon he will look back on his career and be pretty satisfied. Its different for every player though. I love Lewis but he was never going to cut it at a bigger club, this is his level and he's made a success out of it.

Riordan and the likes COULD however have made it at bigger clubs but never lived up to their full potential. Riordan, unlike Stevenson probably wont look back on his career and be completely satisfied. I'm sure he's very proud that he was able to play and score goals for his boyhood club but he will have many regrets and will always think about "what might have been".

[Scouse Hibee]

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Never knew the story about Zemmama having to be sent on loan because his wife was too young (17) to come to the UK while pregnant. I know it's perfectly legal but christ a 25 year old getting a 17 year old pregnant is a bit minging

8 years age difference is nothing and they were married, can't see the issue myself.

[basehibby]

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Never knew the story about Zemmama having to be sent on loan because his wife was too young (17) to come to the UK while pregnant. I know it's perfectly legal but christ a 25 year old getting a 17 year old pregnant is a bit minging

Minging? How so??? Like you say - 100% legal - and by your logic a 30 year old marrying a 22 year old would also presumably be "minging".
17 is young by modern UK norms where many people are waiting til the (medicaly more risky) mid 30s to have bairns, but by our own laws you can get married and die for your country at age 16 so even allowing for cultural differences the "minging" tag is prudish, OTT, and insulting to Zemmama - who was a cracking player for us when fit and, I thought, came across as a great personality.

[SChibs]

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Hard to say Brown underachieved, he has won so much at celtic but then again thats what your guarenteed at Celtic, your going to win at very least 1 trophy a year. I'll never understand why he didn't have a crack down in England, he certainly had the ability. Nothing wrong with staying at celtic of course but just always thought he could have taken the step up.

Maybe it was personal reasons like not wanting to move his family rather than him not wanting to try his hand down in the English leagues though, i don't know.

He's on 25k a week winning trophies year after year and playing against the like of barca amd Juve in the champions league. Maybe he thought a bit less money and winning stuff was better than playing for Everton earning 80k a week but winning nothing

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Never knew the story about Zemmama having to be sent on loan because his wife was too young (17) to come to the UK while pregnant. I know it's perfectly legal but christ a 25 year old getting a 17 year old pregnant is a bit minging

Thought folks could get married at 16 in Scotland? Can't see that being illegal?!

[21.05.2016]

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He's on 25k a week winning trophies year after year and playing against the like of barca amd Juve in the champions league. Maybe he thought a bit less money and winning stuff was better than playing for Everton earning 80k a week but winning nothing

True. At the end of the day when he's grey and old he will be able to show his grandchildren his medal and tell them many tales of when he won this, that and the next thing. Unlike, as you say a player on big money not winning anything. I'm sure their grandkids wont be bothered about stories of how much money he made!

[MWHIBBIES]

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True. At the end of the day when he's grey and old he will be able to show his grandchildren his medal and tell them many tales of when he won this, that and the next thing. Unlike, as you say a player on big money not winning anything. I'm sure their grandkids wont be bothered about stories of how much money he made!

Thing is, his Grandchildren will probably grow tired of hearing the story of ''Well Celtic had more money than everyone else so we just kinda won it''

Browns medal with Hibs is worth more than all his Celtic medals put together.

[SRHibs]

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what's there to score points over? zemamma wasn't a paedophile perfectly legal, only barrier was her not being issued with a permit.

But had he not already been with her for over 2 years at that time? Lol. It's weird as **** if you ask me. Each to their own though.

[SRHibs]

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Minging? How so??? Like you say - 100% legal - and by your logic a 30 year old marrying a 22 year old would also presumably be "minging".
17 is young by modern UK norms where many people are waiting til the (medicaly more risky) mid 30s to have bairns, but by our own laws you can get married and die for your country at age 16 so even allowing for cultural differences the "minging" tag is prudish, OTT, and insulting to Zemmama - who was a cracking player for us when fit and, I thought, came across as a great personality.

What? 16-24 is the same as 22-30? That's not his logic, that's your logic. So by your logic, in countries where it's legal, it's perfectly fine for a 12 year old and a 20 year old to get married?

Have you met a 16 year old girl before? The difference in maturity between a 16 year old and a 24 year old is enormous. It's monumentally different to 22/30.

[beensaidbefore]

Fabian yantorno. I know the guys was injured when he came but he was brilliant for gretna. Dont think he even scored for us?

Chris hogg. Thought he was gonna be ace when he first signed. Whilst he was ok, dont think he would get a game for us now. M

[beensaidbefore]

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What? 16-24 is the same as 22-30? That's not his logic, that's your logic. So by your logic, in countries where it's legal, it's perfectly fine for a 12 year old and a 20 year old to get married?

Have you met a 16 year old girl before? The difference in maturity between a 16 year old and a 24 year old is enormous. It's monumentally different to 22/30.

I get your point. But who decides when people are mature enough? Is there a cut off somewhere. It could be argued that a 20 yo and 40 yo are incompatible, or a 40 and a 60 yo basing that purely on their ages.

[21.05.2016]

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Fabian yantorno. I know the guys was injured when he came but he was brilliant for gretna. Dont think he even scored for us?

Chris hogg. Thought he was gonna be ace when he first signed. Whilst he was ok, dont think he would get a game for us now. M

I remember being quite excited when we signed him actually. The best player in that Gretna team by far. Although it was a big step up going from Gretna to hibs, I still thought he'd do really well for us.

[LancashireHibby]

Half your age plus seven is the acceptable age gap. Proven fact.

[beensaidbefore]

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I remember being quite excited when we signed him actually. The best player in that Gretna team by far. Although it was a big step up going from Gretna to hibs, I still thought he'd do really well for us.

I was the same. Thought it was a shrewd bit of business offering him rehab. Pity he never really recovered.

[Hibs4185]

Vaz Te? Was pretty garbage for us and then turned up at West Ham a couple of years later. I remember seeing a transfer rumour with a figure quoted at £10 million for him. Couldn't believe my eyes

[Smartie]

I thought Zoubir looked incredible the first time I saw him, yet he did very little for us.

Seemingly he's done quite well since he left.

[Northernhibee]

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Very true. Take Lewis Stevenson for example, he found his level at hibs, will be earning a decent enough wage here but hardly "mega bucks" but I reckon he will look back on his career and be pretty satisfied. Its different for every player though. I love Lewis but he was never going to cut it at a bigger club, this is his level and he's made a success out of it.

Riordan and the likes COULD however have made it at bigger clubs but never lived up to their full potential. Riordan, unlike Stevenson probably wont look back on his career and be completely satisfied. I'm sure he's very proud that he was able to play and score goals for his boyhood club but he will have many regrets and will always think about "what might have been".

FWIW I think Lewis would cut it in the Championship down south. His first touch is sublime, hits defensive work is solid, he wins a lot of headers and his workrate is exemplary.

[steelendhibs]

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I thought Zoubir looked incredible the first time I saw him, yet he did very little for us.

Seemingly he's done quite well since he left.

De La cruz. Good player. Got his move to villa as graham Taylor was co-commentating on the Italy Ecuador game when he roasted Paolo Maldini at the world cup. Apart from the double against the yams he was pretty underwhelming if memory serves me correctly

[hibbydog]

Zemmama by far

His home debut v Motherwell was scarily good. And the next week at parkhead he was outstanding. I can remember thinking we'd do well to hold onto him for more than one season.

In the end he never did it consistently and couldn't do it over a whole 90 minutes

[jacomo]

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De La cruz. Good player. Got his move to villa as graham Taylor was co-commentating on the Italy Ecuador game when he roasted Paolo Maldini at the world cup. Apart from the double against the yams he was pretty underwhelming if memory serves me correctly

I loved DLC but I don't think he under achieved.

He was not bad for us but hardly sensational, yet played in a WC and got a big money move to the EPL when we were suddenly looking to cut costs.

Overall he did just fine.

[brog]

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De La cruz. Good player. Got his move to villa as graham Taylor was co-commentating on the Italy Ecuador game when he roasted Paolo Maldini at the world cup. Apart from the double against the yams he was pretty underwhelming if memory serves me correctly

He was magnificent against AEK.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Jimmy ORourke "underachieved" !!


That is according to a former Hearts and rAngers legend.
This legend, speaking to the late great Alan Gordon at a "football dinner" got talking about the Jimmy and Alan partnership.

He (the legend) reckoned that Jimmy was not much of a football player.. and all he could do was score goals;-)

Goodness me, Jimmy, what went wrong?

You could have been a Hibernian hero!


True story. btw
I wont name the "legend"
But Tosh told me that story

[basehibby]

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What? 16-24 is the same as 22-30? That's not his logic, that's your logic. So by your logic, in countries where it's legal, it's perfectly fine for a 12 year old and a 20 year old to get married?

Have you met a 16 year old girl before? The difference in maturity between a 16 year old and a 24 year old is enormous. It's monumentally different to 22/30.

You are asking some pretty daft questions mate - I was 16 once and obviously knew plenty of 16 year olds back then - and yes most of them, like myself, were pretty immature at that age - but then again so are many 20-somethings (with professional footballers certainly not an exception).
Anyway - this is a football forum and not a suitable place to debate the age of consent either for this or any other country - and equally it's not the place to stand as some kind of pompous moral arbiter for someone who broke no laws either here or in his homeland - a place where cultural and societal norms are not necessarily the same as here. And that's why I find it objectionable that someone who obviously knows little or nothing about the circumstances of their relationship, feels the need to imply that Zemmama - a cracking wee player for Hibs (on the rare occasions when he was fit and available) who always came across as a genuinely good guy - was some kind of perv for - shock horror - getting his wife pregnant!

Anyway - this is totally off topic and sadly, Zemmama was certainly one who never really reached his potential at Hibs. Horrendously injury prone and also, like his fellow Morrocan, Benji, a stickler for Ramadan - the combo of which made it a rarity that they were both up and running and able to utilise the empathetic understanding they seemed to have on the pitch.