If I saw a visual depiction of the Humpty Dumpty rhyme and an egg had not been cast in the part of Humpty Dumpty, I might be surprised initially, but in no way would it alter my understanding of the story being told. There are a whole array of breakable objects which could play the part of Humpty Dumpty without altering the narrative.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Is the same not true for a black actor playing Bond? If it wouldn't alter the narrative or affect the viewer's understanding of the story being told, why does it matter that we're used to seeing him as white?
I do understand it can be jarring when a different actor plays a familiar character, but that's been going on with Bond for decades. If actors of different heights, weights, face shapes, hairstyles, hair colours etc. can play Bond, why can't an actor of different skin colour?
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19-07-2017 11:08 AM #61
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19-07-2017 11:27 AM #62
If Idris Elba fell off a wall would all the kings horses and all the kings men be able to put Idris together again? I'm not sure! They could try using UniBond I suppose.
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19-07-2017 11:29 AM #63This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Your last point, I disagree...actors of vastly different heights and weights and hairstyles haven't, and shouldn't, play Bond. Mini Me off of Austin Powers, Jonah Hill, any guy with a pony tail. None of those should play Bond, cos that's not what Bond is like.
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19-07-2017 11:42 AM #64This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuotePM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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19-07-2017 11:56 AM #65This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Accordingly, if it wasn't apparently important to the original authors, why should it be important to anyone who reinterprets the work now?
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19-07-2017 12:15 PM #66
James Bond is white and a good swimmer, a black version would not be so proficient in the water. For that reason alone a black actor can never be considered.
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19-07-2017 12:28 PM #67This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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He had dark, rather cruel good looks and very clear blue-gray eyes that were now observing her inspection sardonically. A scar down his right cheek showed pale against a tan so mild that he must have only recently come to the islandThe skin beneath the eyes that now slowly, mildly, surveyed his colleagues was unpouched. There was no sign of debauchery, illness, or old age on the large, white, bland face under the square, wiry black crew-cut.
Bond's face was white and bathed in sweat.“Rass, man! Ah doan talk wid buckra.” The expression “rass” is Jamaican for “shove it.” “Buckra” is a tough colloquialism for “white man.” Bond said equably, “I thought part of your religion was to love thy neighbour.”
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19-07-2017 12:33 PM #68This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
For that reason alone, an Englishman should never be considered.
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19-07-2017 01:05 PM #69This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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19-07-2017 01:09 PM #70This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It is a casting decision that has long puzzled fans and critics: how did Tom Cruise, who is said to be 5ft 7in (1.70 metres), come to appear as the 6ft 5in (1.95 metre) Jack Reacher in the film adaptations of Lee Child’s crime novels?There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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19-07-2017 01:13 PM #71This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Love the books.
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19-07-2017 02:29 PM #72This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Fair enough. I think the argument can still be made that casting a black man rather than a white man (all other considerations aside) would not affect the narrative in any way though.
If memory serves, Craig's Casino Royale was intended as a reboot/start from scratch in the franchise in terms of the timeline of Bond's life. If they were ever going to cast a non-white actor, that may have been the time.
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19-07-2017 03:28 PM #74This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
And if you are saying we shouldn't be messing with Fleming's description then surely that means we can't have new Bond storylines and we certainly can't have them in the current times. By your logic (and I use the word loosely ) Bond films would have to be stuck in some 1950s timewarp, so we can stay true to what Fleming wroteThere's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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19-07-2017 03:59 PM #75This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The character of James Bond is white. Idris Elba isnt white. Ergo, he shouldn't play Bond. How do I know Bond is white...well there's 25 odd films and he's white in them. Same applies to Indiana Jones, Captain Jack Sparrow and Wolverine.
If Matt Damon was being tipped in the press to play Apollo Creed in a Rocky remake, or play Alex Cross in a adaptation of a James Patterson book, I'd equally be saying it's nonsense.
I just dinnae understand why some people get so upset about this, all I'm saying is a real life black guy shouldn't play a fictional white guy.
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19-07-2017 04:01 PM #76
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Early covers of Ian Fleming books had him as white and personally can't see him being anything else.
Idris I really like but he's probably now to old to be considered anymore as it looks like DC is doing a final one.
Nobody springs to mind anymore think it will end up a relative unknown to take it forward.
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19-07-2017 04:01 PM #77This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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19-07-2017 04:07 PM #78This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Tell me how me saying Bond is white in 25 films means everything he does should be set in the 50's.
Looking forward to what should be an interesting answer, cos I cannae work out how you got there at all.
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19-07-2017 04:14 PM #79This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Fleming also wrote Bond as a character living in a certain time period. Surely that needs to stay the same as well?
Of course what's happened is that the production company have moved the story on, changed the time, changed the other characters - were you okay with M being a woman incidentally?
If everything else can change then surely Bond's skin colour can change too?
As it goes, I don't see Elba as making a good Bond, he just doesn't seem right to me but that's not because of his skin colour.There's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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19-07-2017 04:23 PM #80This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The character M isn't meant to be portraying the same person, or at least that's my understanding of it. Bond is Bond. M is whoever is filling that role.
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19-07-2017 04:28 PM #81This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
No one else seems that worried about a black actor taking on the role, should the production company cast one.
If they do will you be launching a Keep Bond White campaign?There's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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19-07-2017 04:57 PM #82This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm not in the slightest bit worried.
And aye, obviously I'll be having a campaign. I'm just going to turn my Free Deirdre Barlow t-shirt inside out and write Bond Isnae Black on it. Want in?
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19-07-2017 04:59 PM #83This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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19-07-2017 05:20 PM #84
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Interesting to see there is reference to him being white. With that in mind i think you make a fair point re casting both in bond and other films.
Off the back of this i looked at the most recent census, and there are actually a lot more people of indian and pakistani descent living in Britain. Given the current climate of fear round muslim populations etc, it would possibly be more realistic to have an asian bond, as i bet we have plenty spies trying to infiltrate isis etc at the moment. If Elbas only in line because he is black, then that is actually racism too.
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19-07-2017 07:20 PM #87This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Racist
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19-07-2017 07:21 PM #88This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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19-07-2017 08:23 PM #89
Bond would not work as a female due to the nature of the character, he is an arrogant, smartarse, womanising douchebag. He is the epitome of an alpha male
In the older films this was meant to be a good thing as that what was expected of men, he was someone to look up to and admire. In the up-to-date films he is being portrayed as somewhat old-fashioned and out of touch due to these characteristics. A blunt instrument in a world of surgical precision in the modern, digital age but doing violent things for the right reasons.
A female character acting in the way that Bond does wouldn't work as well however there is nothing to suggest that Bond needs to be white, a british 40ish year old male character in 2017 can be played just as authentically by a black or asian actor as a white one. The Bond films are not linear, once a new actor takes over the role from Daniel craig they wont carry forward the storylines and arcs etc from the last few movies, it's a series of films that essentially reboots itself with each new actor that takes on the role.
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