Fans Rep Surgery - Sat 15th July at Hibs Club (NOT THIS WEEKEND)

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Thanks for the reply. It does seem strange that he doesn't post himself though, I mean just generally.

Never comments on the games or manager or anything at all really!

He must have known going in for the role that it would mean constant criticism. That's all directors ever get! If he us fed up with it and it starts to ruin his own experience of watching Hibs he would probably be best jacking it in when his term is up.

The concept of fans reps has probably run it course anyways.

Do you think it would be wise for a rep, to start talking tactics or about games/manager on a forum?

[Baldy Foghorn]

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I still wouldnt know where to start. Do I just go about everyone and ask if they are Frank Dougan - easily accessible !!!

Hilarious, pat on the back

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Why would anyone want to stick the boot in?

And if he does not want confrontation, the fans rep job is not for him?

You are constantly doing it on here, like "the other one", No need really is there?

[Firestarter]

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Hilarious, pat on the back

It's a genuine point to be honest. Have you got a link to that profile please? People might notice him then.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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It's a genuine point to be honest. Have you got a link to that profile please? People might notice him then.

I think Skol was trolling to be honest.....

And no, find link for yourself

[The Modfather]

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I don't know Frank Dougan but I know who he is.

It is a bit unfair to say he's not very visible.

He's about as visible a Hibs fan as it is possible to get.

You see him at every game, somewhere or other.

When there are mad ticket scrambles he is there, trying to smooth things out.

He may not be the most visible online (which I suppose may be a fair and reasonable criticism in this internet age) but for some folk the internet just isn't their thing.

It's easy to forget that with Hibs, a lot exists beyond hibs.net - I think (from little knowledge other than going to Hibs games and speaking to fellow fans) that Frank does a cracking job engaging with Hibs fans in all the important areas outwith the internet.

The other side of that is that I'm a bit of a Luddite so don't do social media. I go to all home games and and probably about a quarter of away games, give or take. Do my own thing in terms of pre match (generally Joseph Pearce) and travelling to away games.

So speaking for myself and my group of season ticket holders Hibs.net and the official site is where we get all our updates from. I was at McDirmiad Park early on sat so saw who I assumed to be Tracy and Frank standing outside the main stand entrance with Dempster & Petrie, but otherwise couldn't pick them out of a lineup.

How typical I am of the general support, who knows. However I'm fairly skeptical of the role of fans reps thus far. Tracy has been semi visible on here in general, but no idea what Frank has done or said. So for me the whole EBT statement fiasco has disengaged me further from the point of having fans rep roles. The first issue I've actively wanted to hear about, even just updates to say "it's still being worked on and looked at by all about involved" would have satisfied me. It came across as the first real time a fans rep role was in place for the barricades went up and it was back to a feeling of us v them.

As I said, maybe I'm an anomaly and there's not a huge portion of the support being missed like myself. Tracy/Frank, I play 5s on a Thursday night welcome to pop by each week and keep me personally abreast 😀 Haha

[blackpoolhibs]

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You are constantly doing it on here, like "the other one", No need really is there?

Aw, Tracey has at least tried to do what she said she would at the hustings, the other one who was elected has a wee browse.

[Firestarter]

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I think Skol was trolling to be honest.....

And no, find link for yourself

Possibly Brockie but it raises a point. Even if Big Frank doesn't like online stuff which is fine he should still have an online persona so people who don't know who he is then know. I'll search when I'm game.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Aw, Tracey has at least tried to do what she said she would at the hustings, the other one who was elected has a wee browse.

Grow up Gary FFS

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[Johnny Clash]

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I know I have been critical of the fans reps, but I feel for them (or Tracey anyway) as she has been badly let down by the board and clearly told to say nothing. I guess that shows what our board think of the fans reps.

Frank is another matter. You need to know him or know where to find him, but all is Ok cos he attends functions to represent the club and holds the licence on behind the goals and can tell us what is going on...........

Thing is though Skol - we elected our reps to represent the consensus of Hibs supporters in the boardroom to the best of their ability . I'm aware a few posters have always been unconvinced by the role of the reps but I've always felt it was a very worthy initiative so long as our collective voice is heard and then considered by the their fellow non execuyive directors.

If pressure was put on our reps to vote against their better judgement then that should have been rejected by them . That very well could have resulted in a vote: 7 votes for with 2 against. Not a good result as far as I'm concerned but at least there'd be no issue with the accountability of our reps.

To make matters worse - if 'the board' then put pressure on our elected reps to gagg themselves then that is another serious misjudgment. The consequences for our reps integrity would be obvious especially to the more experienced board members. I really hope that never happened coz that's akin to hanging our two reps out to dry.

I have no idea what's happened. I do intend to send an email to both reps asking. If I was a rep and any of the above happened I'd honestly now explain myself to the very people who put their faith in me and stand true to the principles that made me campaign hard to get elected.

[lord bunberry]

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He doesn't post but browses. Him and Tracey liaise daily and any statements put out by Tracey, are joint discussions they have had.

Can tell you he is thoroughly fed up of the constant criticism, of him, Tracey and the Club. He used to go to the games to enjoy them, not so sure that's the case anymore. I only stick up for him as he is a friend, as I'm sure you would do too if roles were reversed

What exactly is it that he is fed up with? He seems like a decent guy, but when people were looking for answers regarding the Rangers situation, there seemed to be complete silence. If they'd been told to say nothing then I think they should have came out and said that. Both of them seem to be stuck in the middle and only being able to carry out their role when it suits the hibs board.
I would prefer if either of them had issues with the fans criticism, they would come out and say what those issues are. They're both fans as well as fans reps, and I think people would appreciate more openness.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Grow up Gary FFS

Grow up, FFS we have a fans rep who either lied to us or can't be bothered doing what he said he'd do to help get elected, which one is it?

[Brooster]

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Try an away game smarty

Your wasting your time Brockie. Its amazing how many folk live their lives on the internet. As you say Frank is easy to contact either on email or at games. He is easily in the top 3 most recognisable match attending Hibs fans. Folk will contact him if they really want to......either that or moan on here but do nothing.

[Skol]

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I think Skol was trolling to be honest.....

And no, find link for yourself

I am not trolling. If you know who Frank is then he is accessible. If you dont then you have to go to great lengths to find him. Surely the main reqt for a fans rep is to be accessible.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Grow up, FFS we have a fans rep who either lied to us or can't be bothered doing what he said he'd do to help get elected, which one is it?

Ask him next time you see him....I'm not his PA

[Brooster]

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Grow up, FFS we have a fans rep who either lied to us or can't be bothered doing what he said he'd do to help get elected, which one is it?

I thought you guys had made up when I introduced you to each other at Ewood Park Blackburn Rovers.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Ask him next time you see him....I'm not his PA

If he just did as he said he would when he wanted folk to vote for him, we'd not be having this discussion.

[Smartie]

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Billy, why didn't you stand for rep? Serious question? You would be ideal imo.

I know this isn't aimed at me, but I'll answer on behalf of myself anyway.

I thought about it and quite fancied it.

The truth is, I am a bit of an internet geek. I quite like debate on hibs.net, I quite like getting involved. It is a good platform with a lot of good debate, and I feel quite comfortable sticking my oar in, having an opinion, debating it, defending it and disagreeing with people from a position of anonymity. You can see a point that someone has made, pause for thought, gather your thoughts and post a reply as you see it. Some people may agree with your opinion, some people won't.

This is tougher face to face. Thinking on the spot and responding to problems, concerns and issues in person takes a certain skill set, possibly different to those required over the net. That's why I wouldn't give Frank a kicking for his lack of contribution on hibs.net - the squabbles we have over the internet may not suit his skill set, he may not want to get involved in an arena where he might not do himself justice. Face to face, on the day - I'm sure that is where he is at his best. He's a well-known face and has been trusted by many to represent us, so he must be doing something right for a large number of people.

The main reason I wouldn't stand - I think it is a thankless, impossible task. How on Earth are you meant to represent the Hibs support? We are a huge, diverse group, some reasoned and sensible, some utter bampots. It is literally impossible to do justice to the diversity and strength of opinion that exists amongst us. The "board position on EBTs" is such a topic. It is passionate, overly-emotional and very difficult. The fans reps are piggy in the middle, they'll have a lot more information than any of us to make a decision but have to represent our uninformed position to the board.

I have sympathy for the fans reps, but only to a point, as surely they would have known this when they stood for election. They will have known exactly what they were getting themselves into. It is a position that is a constant ball ache and brings constant aggro. Ok, now it is EBTs. But it could have been relegation, non-promotion, the team on the park being cack, the Scottish Cup final aftermath, a ballsed-up new stand build etc etc etc.

[Billy Whizz]

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I know this isn't aimed at me, but I'll answer on behalf of myself anyway.

I thought about it and quite fancied it.

The truth is, I am a bit of an internet geek. I quite like debate on hibs.net, I quite like getting involved. It is a good platform with a lot of good debate, and I feel quite comfortable sticking my oar in, having an opinion, debating it, defending it and disagreeing with people from a position of anonymity. You can see a point that someone has made, pause for thought, gather your thoughts and post a reply as you see it. Some people may agree with your opinion, some people won't.

This is tougher face to face. Thinking on the spot and responding to problems, concerns and issues in person takes a certain skill set, possibly different to those required over the net. That's why I wouldn't give Frank a kicking for his lack of contribution on hibs.net - the squabbles we have over the internet may not suit his skill set, he may not want to get involved in an arena where he might not do himself justice. Face to face, on the day - I'm sure that is where he is at his best. He's a well-known face and has been trusted by many to represent us, so he must be doing something right for a large number of people.

The main reason I wouldn't stand - I think it is a thankless, impossible task. How on Earth are you meant to represent the Hibs support? We are a huge, diverse group, some reasoned and sensible, some utter bampots. It is literally impossible to do justice to the diversity and strength of opinion that exists amongst us. The "board position on EBTs" is such a topic. It is passionate, overly-emotional and very difficult. The fans reps are piggy in the middle, they'll have a lot more information than any of us to make a decision but have to represent our uninformed position to the board.

I have sympathy for the fans reps, but only to a point, as surely they would have known this when they stood for election. They will have known exactly what they were getting themselves into. It is a position that is a constant ball ache and brings constant aggro. Ok, now it is EBTs. But it could have been relegation, non-promotion, the team on the park being cack, the Scottish Cup final aftermath, a ballsed-up new stand build etc etc etc.

Spot on, I could have posted this myself

[Brooster]

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I am not trolling. If you know who Frank is then he is accessible. If you dont then you have to go to great lengths to find him. Surely the main reqt for a fans rep is to be accessible.

You dont really. What failed attempts have you made to find him?

[Radium]

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Not hard to find!

I have always viewed the Reps as complementary (which is why I voted for them), so the online was always going to be led by Tracey as far as I was concerned.

Been off work with a bit of gender specific sniffles so missed the development on Tuesday, suspect Frank was there and answering questions as normal.

I have given my views across a few threads and stated previously that the loss of the updates from Reps has been a real shame.

Hopefully the WT meeting next week will be an opportunity for them to restart


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[Baldy Foghorn]

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I know this isn't aimed at me, but I'll answer on behalf of myself anyway.

I thought about it and quite fancied it.

The truth is, I am a bit of an internet geek. I quite like debate on hibs.net, I quite like getting involved. It is a good platform with a lot of good debate, and I feel quite comfortable sticking my oar in, having an opinion, debating it, defending it and disagreeing with people from a position of anonymity. You can see a point that someone has made, pause for thought, gather your thoughts and post a reply as you see it. Some people may agree with your opinion, some people won't.

This is tougher face to face. Thinking on the spot and responding to problems, concerns and issues in person takes a certain skill set, possibly different to those required over the net. That's why I wouldn't give Frank a kicking for his lack of contribution on hibs.net - the squabbles we have over the internet may not suit his skill set, he may not want to get involved in an arena where he might not do himself justice. Face to face, on the day - I'm sure that is where he is at his best. He's a well-known face and has been trusted by many to represent us, so he must be doing something right for a large number of people.

The main reason I wouldn't stand - I think it is a thankless, impossible task. How on Earth are you meant to represent the Hibs support? We are a huge, diverse group, some reasoned and sensible, some utter bampots. It is literally impossible to do justice to the diversity and strength of opinion that exists amongst us. The "board position on EBTs" is such a topic. It is passionate, overly-emotional and very difficult. The fans reps are piggy in the middle, they'll have a lot more information than any of us to make a decision but have to represent our uninformed position to the board.

I have sympathy for the fans reps, but only to a point, as surely they would have known this when they stood for election. They will have known exactly what they were getting themselves into. It is a position that is a constant ball ache and brings constant aggro. Ok, now it is EBTs. But it could have been relegation, non-promotion, the team on the park being cack, the Scottish Cup final aftermath, a ballsed-up new stand build etc etc etc.

Great post

[WhileTheChief..]

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Do you think it would be wise for a rep, to start talking tactics or about games/manager on a forum?

Any need for the antsy reply?

You knew fine well what I meant. He's doesn't post on here about anything. Results, tickets, Hearts stand, the EBT issue etc etc.

There are plenty of different subjects discussed on here every week and yet he's 'scared' to voice his own opinion in case of confrontation? Sounds like just the kinda guy we need fighting our corner right enough.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Any need for the antsy reply?

You knew fine well what I meant. He's doesn't post on here about anything. Results, tickets, Hearts stand, the EBT issue etc etc.

There are plenty of different subjects discussed on here every week and yet he's 'scared' to voice his own opinion in case of confrontation? Sounds like just the kinda guy we need fighting our corner right enough.

Antsy?

Why would he comment on other teams stands? If he was to post about a result or tickets, he would get abuse from the "keyboard warriors"....Part of the problem unfortunately

[blackpoolhibs]

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Antsy?

Why would he comment on other teams stands? If he was to post about a result or tickets, he would get abuse from the "keyboard warriors"....Part of the problem unfortunately

Has Tracey been abused?

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Has Tracey been abused?

Has Tracey posted on matches after the game etc?

Tracey always comes across well, amid some weird questioning at times. Maybe Frank not confident on social media?

[blackpoolhibs]

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Has Tracey posted on matches after the game etc?

Tracey always comes across well, amid some weird questoning at times. Maybe Frank not confident on social media?

How will we ever know?

[Baldy Foghorn]

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How will we ever know?

I get it, I'm out at this juncture

[Pretty Boy]

I don't really give a toss if Frank is good on social media or otherwise. In the dealings I've had with him, admittedly limited, he's been approachable and helpful. Likewise I've exchanged a few PMs with Tracey and she's been very helpful.

The communication is never going to be what some want, and I include myself, because the reps are bound by the same confidentiality as everyone else on the board. If there is sensitive information that has influenced their vote on this issue they can't now issue a statement revealing it.

It's a thankless task, and with no disrespect intended to those who have taken on the role, I said at the time of the last elections the whole thing should be scrapped and I stand by that now.