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    Quote Originally Posted by One Day Soon View Post
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    I do not understand why both bridges couldn't have been left fully open for the first six months.
    The road network on the north side didn't allow it and with the promise of it being open in August 2017, it wasn't possible.
    Someone once told me that hard work wouldn't kill me.

    I thought: "Hell, why take the chance"!


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    Quote Originally Posted by derekHFC View Post
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    The road network on the north side didn't allow it and with the promise of it being open in August 2017, it wasn't possible.
    It was nose to tail this morning heading south at 6.45am.
    They have the technology to build this fantastic bridge but can't impliment a temporary network system for a couple of months till things settle down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snooky View Post
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    It was nose to tail this morning heading south at 6.45am.
    They have the technology to build this fantastic bridge but can't impliment a temporary network system for a couple of months till things settle down?

    Well that can't be due to bridge visitors at 6.45 am on a monday morning surely?

    The 40mph limit - and the distance it lasts for - is completely nuts. Is there some other traffic management issue at work here though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Day Soon View Post
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    Well that can't be due to bridge visitors at 6.45 am on a monday morning surely?

    The 40mph limit - and the distance it lasts for - is completely nuts
    . Is there some other traffic management issue at work here though?
    It's an oxymoron. "Safety overkill"

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    Wonder what the reason is for keeping it at 40mph for so long, anyone know? Having it at 70 will definitely improve the situation to some degree.

    In other news the suds pond they have built outside my house for the bridge has brought a family of 4 deer to us, see them every morning and night right outside the house when I look out my window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frazeHFC View Post
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    Wonder what the reason is for keeping it at 40mph for so long, anyone know? Having it at 70 will definitely improve the situation to some degree.

    In other news the suds pond they have built outside my house for the bridge has brought a family of 4 deer to us, see them every morning and night right outside the house when I look out my window.
    They'll be safe enough in the traffic as long as their horns work.

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    Gordon Effin Brown being interviewed about the QC bridge on BBC apparently.
    As appropriate and popular a choice the Hearts made today.
    Gordon Brown, FFS.
    Nurse, he's escaped again!

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...ancial_crisis/

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    Quote Originally Posted by snooky View Post
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    With his financial track record you'd think he'd slither into the background on such matters and say nothing.

    On the other hand with him taking the UK headlong into the last crisis he's the most experienced!
    Space to let

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    I was heading from Newton towards Queensferry early Saturday afternoon. Traffic was tailed back along the Newton road trying to get onto the bridge, not helped by cars coming from the A90 up to the roundabout and back onto the slip road trying to avoid a bit of the queue. It's a shambles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
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    not helped by cars coming from the A90 up to the roundabout and back onto the slip road trying to avoid a bit of the queue.
    We went over on Saturday early afternoon too. We did that, over the roundabout and back on, probably saved us about half an hour! Traffic was brutal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    We went over on Saturday early afternoon too. We did that, over the roundabout and back on, probably saved us about half an hour! Traffic was brutal.
    Pity we don't have an other bridge at hand to spread the traffic flow.

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    Well, it didn't take long to happen, did it?. I like the way they've tied the 'snagging' into the 'preparation-for-the-70mph-switch' ...Aye, right boys.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-42136651

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    Quote Originally Posted by snooky View Post
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    Well, it didn't take long to happen, did it?. I like the way they've tied the 'snagging' into the 'preparation-for-the-70mph-switch' ...Aye, right boys.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-42136651
    When I read this story online yesterday before it was updated today,the EEN seemed to intimate that there had been an oversight with the road joints on the bridge at either end and the engineers only realised this AFTER the road was open to traffic. I'm NOT an engineer but it sounded like a loading calculation error, if so, how is that possible in this day and age of computer modelling, they built the towers taking in to consideration the curvature of the earth but miscalculated the road surface depth needed at each end,,,, sounds fishy to me!

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    This new bridge seems to be worse as far as congestion goes and it canít be down to bridge tourists any more.

    It must be the design of the approach road or slip road as the traffic always speeds up again when it actually reaches the bridge. Somebody has made a mess of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
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    This new bridge seems to be worse as far as congestion goes and it canít be down to bridge tourists any more.

    It must be the design of the approach road or slip road as the traffic always speeds up again when it actually reaches the bridge. Somebody has made a mess of something.
    The approach from the Edinburgh side is perfectly fine but you are right there does seem to be a big tail of traffic then when you get on the bridge the thing is half empty...it's really strange.

    The approach from the Fife side is a bit tight I would suggest and both of them have slip roads coming onto the motorway just before the bridge which can't help the traffic flow on the main approach.

    I'm still convinced they should have built it 3 lanes wide but we shall await the 70mph limit and see what that does before getting the knives out

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    The approach from the Edinburgh side is perfectly fine,,,,
    I'm not so sure, I think the slip joining from the A904 right before the bridge is too tight and slows traffic down unnecessarily. Strangely, the old bridge approach and slip from Echline r/about suffered similar tailbacks and the pinch-point could generate queues heading back to Crammond Brig but we just dealt with it,,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales View Post
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    I'm not so sure, I think the slip joining from the A904 right before the bridge is too tight and slows traffic down unnecessarily. Strangely, the old bridge approach and slip from Echline r/about suffered similar tailbacks and the pinch-point could generate queues heading back to Crammond Brig but we just dealt with it,,,,
    Not disagreeing that it's defo a contributor but I've been over the bridge on a number of occasions where that slip was basically empty and the tail back was still a reasonable size (some might suggest simply going down the left hand lane, over the roundabout and down to avoid such queues, but that might be considered bad form )

    To me it's pretty obvious that they should have moved that slip a good distance away and have it coming onto a 3 lane motorway taking traffic over a 3 lane bridge....considering it is such a funnel for so much traffic it seems a no brainier to build one that was bigger, wider and with way better access than the one from the 60's. It's better for sure but should have been significantly better than that

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    I read somewhere at the weekend that some of the plastic sheets had come loose. I wonder if the "70mph upgrade" is a convenient excuse to allow them to close the lanes to do the repairs.

    It's not like me to be cynical.

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    Evening News reporting today that the problem is due to "workmanship" at the expansion joints. It has to be fixed before speed limit raised to 70mph.

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    "The Continuing Story Of Bungling Still" (that's for the Beatle fans)

    More news on the drip feed today.....

    ..... (Michelle Rennie) added: "It is a workmanship issue, the design is correct.
    "The surfacing wasn't laid to the tolerances set out in the design.
    "The contractor hadn't designed the solution to this until probably a couple of weeks ago.
    "There are (also) minor snagging issues with the wind shield.
    "Some needs a bit of finishing work, which we will look to do during these few days when we have the lane restrictions on."

    'Relatively normal'
    Ms Rennie also told MSPs: "We've been consistently saying that there would be finishing and snagging works required.
    "The contract allows for those works up until next September at no additional cost.
    "There will be additional works. Mechanical and electrical works, lifts to the towers, and that sort of thing.
    "There was no need to delay opening the bridge for that sort of thing. These are relatively normal."
    Conservative MSP Jamie Greene asked if there would be further closures.
    Ms Rennie replied: "There will be further lane restrictions."
    The carriageway resurfacing work is due to take place between Thursday evening and 06:00 on Wednesday 6 December.
    Southbound traffic will be diverted across the Forth Road Bridge while the work is carried out, with a speed limit of 40 mph on both bridges.
    Transport Scotland said work was necessary on the bridge expansion joints to allow it to carry traffic travelling at 70 mph.


    If you want to read the rest of the article (which is basically 'SNP Bad' as one would expect, to be fair), here it is ->>>>
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-42165899

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    BBC news on radio 2 reported the temporary closure. They announced that the bridge would be closed to south bound traffic today, Ďďso traffic travelling south will have to use the Kincardine bridge, thatís over the Clyde isnít it?Ē

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    BBC news on radio 2 reported the temporary closure. They announced that the bridge would be closed to south bound traffic today, Ďďso traffic travelling south will have to use the Kincardine bridge, thatís over the Clyde isnít it?Ē
    You're getting confused with the Erskine Bridge. The Kincardine Bridge is over the Forth - however, it's the 'old' Forth Road Bridge that's being used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theonlywayisup View Post
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    You're getting confused with the Erskine Bridge. The Kincardine Bridge is over the Forth - however, it's the 'old' Forth Road Bridge that's being used.
    You are all confused. Northbound traffic to use the Skye bridge, southbound the Kessock bridge. Alien spacecraft can still use Bonnybridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snooky View Post
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    You are all confused. Northbound traffic to use the Skye bridge, southbound the Kessock bridge. Alien spacecraft can still use Bonnybridge.
    Is this a press release from the Tory/Labour press team?

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