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    Frankly I don't give a ****. They got themselves into this situation and I've got no sympathy for any difficulties they find themselves in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    I'm not privvy to the negotiations, but i find it quite hard to believe they would be anything but. ... Just because they are keeping quiet on the matter publicly doesn't mean there isn't some kind of decent plan in place
    There's no evidence for this whatsoever. Every statement issued by the Government indicates they have no clue what they are talking about, and more importantly, no consideration for the lives of people caught up in this disaster.

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    ... but brexit needs to be done correctly and professionally because this is the biggest business the UK will do in our lifetime, if not generations.
    The only "correct" way to "do Brexit" is not to do it at all. It's a looming disaster for the country, anyone but the most myopic can see that, yet we plough on regardless. What a ****in mess.
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    There's no evidence for this whatsoever. Every statement issued by the Government indicates they have no clue what they are talking about, and more importantly, no consideration for the lives of people caught up in this disaster.


    The only "correct" way to "do Brexit" is not to do it at all. It's a looming disaster for the country, anyone but the most myopic can see that, yet we plough on regardless. What a ****in mess.
    How do we get out of it though?

    On the basis we don't, its crucial we get the best deal we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    How do we get out of it though?

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    Easy. Admit we made a mistake. Admit we allowed people to be swayed by partisan press and lying self serving politicians. Once we admit we were lied to, it makes it easier to accept we need to stop this disastrous course and fix things.

    Then we tell EU we were wrong to trigger A50 and we renegotiate our way back in



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    Easy. Admit we made a mistake. Admit we allowed people to be swayed by partisan press and lying self serving politicians. Once we admit we were lied to, it makes it easier to accept we need to stop this disastrous course and fix things.

    Then we tell EU we were wrong to trigger A50 and we renegotiate our way back in



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    Good luck with that mate.

    I'm the type of guy who likes to take a jacket just in case it rains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    Good luck with that mate.
    I'm the type of guy who likes to take a jacket just in case it rains.
    Thanks! You watch this space. This is where we will end up. The U.K. Government will eventually realise they can't succeed at brexit, and we will avoid this disaster.

    No jacket required.


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    Thanks! You watch this space. This is where we will end up. The U.K. Government will eventually realise they can't succeed at brexit, and we will avoid this disaster.

    No jacket required.


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    Well whatever happens I hope it works out OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    Well whatever happens I hope it works out OK.
    The only way it will be ok is if we don't do it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    Thanks! You watch this space. This is where we will end up. The U.K. Government will eventually realise they can't succeed at brexit, and we will avoid this disaster.

    No jacket required.


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    That's wishful thinking I'm afraid. The same hardline euro sceptics that forced the referendum and that May tried to put back in their box with a snap election are more powerful now than they ever were. The DUP only care about their own pathetic power struggle and will be bought with promises that further their agenda.
    I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this ending like you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    That's wishful thinking I'm afraid. The same hardline euro sceptics that forced the referendum and that May tried to put back in their box with a snap election are more powerful now than they ever were. The DUP only care about their own pathetic power struggle and will be bought with promises that further their agenda.
    I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this ending like you think.
    I've started on the whisky so you're not going to blow my wishful thinking tonight.

    Every Tory vote is far less powerful now than it was 4 weeks ago. Their ship has sailed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    😂😂

    Well whatever happens I hope it works out OK.
    Really? You hope it works out ok?

    Not me.

    I hope that it, as it probably will, all goes to she1t and the country gets poorer and poorer.

    I look forward to the Spanish, French and Germans laughing at us all and our inability to leave our shores because the pound is so worthless.

    I can't wait for all the folk who voted to leave to be engulfed in self pity and even more self loathing than they had when they disengaged their brains and voted to leave.

    I don't feel any better after that. Not a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    I've started on the whisky so you're not going to blow my wishful thinking tonight.

    Every Tory vote is far less powerful now than it was 4 weeks ago. Their ship has sailed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I'm not going to argue with a man on the whisky
    Quite right too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    Quite right too.


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    Really? You hope it works out ok?

    Not me.

    I hope that it, as it probably will, all goes to she1t and the country gets poorer and poorer.

    I look forward to the Spanish, French and Germans laughing at us all and our inability to leave our shores because the pound is so worthless.

    I can't wait for all the folk who voted to leave to be engulfed in self pity and even more self loathing than they had when they disengaged their brains and voted to leave.

    I don't feel any better after that. Not a bit.
    You on speed?

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    Well, I voted Remain and Labour but despite that I hope we get a good deal. There's no alternative.

    Let's hope Europe needs us as much as we need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    Should the 62million others be held to ransom over the matter? Im sure they understand why we cannot come out and agree to provide xyz assurances without getting the same in return for our guys abroad.

    Do younthink that is an unreasonable stand point for the government to take?
    When there are actual living breathing people involved - yes.

    The EU will be quite happy to guarantee the rights of all UK citizens living abroad. Our rampantly anti-immigration prime minister refuses to do the same, directly contravening another one of the Leave campaign's "promises".

    Quite a few of the 62 million - myself included - have family who are EU citizens, and this is just adding to the uncertainty that has been forced on us. It isn't fair to say this is a negotiating process when millions of people genuinely don't know what their rights or livelihoods will be in the next few years, and our PM is refusing to acknowledge this and sort it out in a matter of moments.

    If this was 3 million UK citizens the public/rag outcry would be off the scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    Sure. But I don't think it would be a wise move to enter into negotiations having already agreed to do this that and the next thing. That is what the negotiation process is supposed to do.
    On one side of the table you have a union of countries who openly welcome free movement of people and that principle is set in their constitution, on the other side you have a country that previously shared those principles but has now decided that only people born in that country have a guaranteed right to live and work there and thus throwing not only the rights of people who chose to make their homes in that country into uncertainty, but also the rights of their own citizens living abroad. The UK started this odious human hostage taking and the responsibility is on them to sort out the mess they've created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    You on speed?
    No.

    I've just decided to embrace this country's inevitable future.

    No point complaining about something that I can't change, is there?

    I might as well concentrate on the enjoyable aspects.

    Even if it's only schadenfreude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    Really? You hope it works out ok?

    Not me.

    I hope that it, as it probably will, all goes to she1t and the country gets poorer and poorer.

    I look forward to the Spanish, French and Germans laughing at us all and our inability to leave our shores because the pound is so worthless.

    I can't wait for all the folk who voted to leave to be engulfed in self pity and even more self loathing than they had when they disengaged their brains and voted to leave.

    I don't feel any better after that. Not a bit.
    I share the same optimism as you, HR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    No.

    I've just decided to embrace this country's inevitable future.

    No point complaining about something that I can't change, is there?

    I might as well concentrate on the enjoyable aspects.

    Even if it's only schadenfreude.
    Pretty much where I am except I'll get to watch it from outside looking in. Popcorn at the ready.

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    There's only one way that Scotland will have future membership in the EU. The unionist diehards who want it both ways, who are just waiting for the mystical brexit u-turn from the UK Government need to wake up.

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