Macron

[CropleyWasGod]

Someone on FB has just suggested that Macron make their gear in sweatshops.

I know that's a criticism of other manufacturers. However, can anyone tell me where ours are made? Does it say on the label?

[Jones28]

I think pretty much every stitch of clothing you buy nowadays is made in sweatshops. It's a **** situation but is pretty much unavoidable. Our previous manufacturers Nike are among the worst in world.

[Lago]

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Someone on FB has just suggested that Macron make their gear in sweatshops.

I know that's a criticism of other manufacturers. However, can anyone tell me where ours are made? Does it say on the label?

Thought he was the French President.

[Golden Bear]

Is this todays bad news thread ? 😏

[makaveli1875]

Its fair to say that most of the clothes we wear are made in sweat shops , most likely made in the peoples republic of china

[1van Sprou7e]

Yeah good luck finding a major sportswear company that doesn't use sweatshops

Just another reason not to spend £50 on a football shirt IMO

[Saturday Boy]

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Someone on FB has just suggested that Macron make their gear in sweatshops.

I know that's a criticism of other manufacturers. However, can anyone tell me where ours are made? Does it say on the label?

Was it not "macaroons and they're made in a sweet shop " 😉

[CropleyWasGod]

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Was it not "macaroons and they're made in a sweet shop " 😉

I'm using that

[Ozyhibby]

There is also an argument that the sweatshops represent progress from what went before. China is a lot richer now as a result of those sweatshops than it was 25 years ago. As far as eliminating poverty goes, the Chinese government over the last 25 years is probably the most successful in history.


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[1van Sprou7e]

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There is also an argument that the sweatshops represent progress from what went before. China is a lot richer now as a result of those sweatshops than it was 25 years ago. As far as eliminating poverty goes, the Chinese government over the last 25 years is probably the most successful in history.


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I've never really bought this argument. Sweatshops are almost a form of slave labour, to claim that it is a solution to poverty is ridiculous

[Ozyhibby]

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I've never really bought this argument. Sweatshops are almost a form of slave labour, to claim that it is a solution to poverty is ridiculous

So how did China get as rich as they have?


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[McSwanky]

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So how did China get as rich as they have?


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When you say 'China is rich,' what do you mean by that? The country? The basic fact is that unless the wealth is distributed fairly, it means naff all to those who are 'employed' in the sweat shops. So I'm struggling to see how China being 'rich' is a good thing, or worth supporting slave labour over?

[Ozyhibby]

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When you say 'China is rich,' what do you mean by that? The country? The basic fact is that unless the wealth is distributed fairly, it means naff all to those who are 'employed' in the sweat shops. So I'm struggling to see how China being 'rich' is a good thing, or worth supporting slave labour over?

Show me where the wealth is distributed fairly?
Factory wages in China have now risen to the point where they are the same as countries like Portugal and are about 5 times the likes of India or Sri Lanka who are now taking those jobs from them. The Chinese are now moving to the next stage where the all work in offices in service industries.
Inequality will continue to rise but almost everyone in China is richer now than they were 25 years ago.


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[iwasthere1972]

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Is this todays bad news thread ? 😏

I see what you did there.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I see what you did there.

It's all unravelling

[Brightside]

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So how did China get as rich as they have?


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By having no Human Rights and using Slaves for cheap manufacturing. Oh and also by killing kids at stuff.

[lucky]

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There is also an argument that the sweatshops represent progress from what went before. China is a lot richer now as a result of those sweatshops than it was 25 years ago. As far as eliminating poverty goes, the Chinese government over the last 25 years is probably the most successful in history.


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Kensington is a rich borough in London but as we've see on the news not everyone is rich. As for China huge parts or rural china is poverty stricken. Your argument is too simplistic

[Ozyhibby]

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By having no Human Rights and using Slaves for cheap manufacturing. Oh and also by killing kids at stuff.

You keep saying slaves but if that was the case then wages would not be rising so fast. And it's not true that they have no human rights, they are just a bit behind us. They'll get there eventually. It's only about 25 years since companies in Scotland refused to employ Catholics and you could be jailed for being gay.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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You keep saying slaves but if that was the case then wages would not be rising so fast. And it's not true that they have no human rights, they are just a bit behind us. They'll get there eventually. It's only about 25 years since companies in Scotland refused to employ Catholics and you could be jailed for being gay.


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Yet, according to Amnesty, "The government continued to draft and enact a series of new national security laws that presented serious threats to the protection of human rights. "

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries.../report-china/

[mcohibs]

Roll on the new season by the way... 😂

[Ozyhibby]

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Yet, according to Amnesty, "The government continued to draft and enact a series of new national security laws that presented serious threats to the protection of human rights. "

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries.../report-china/

I'm not saying they don't have a problem. Part of the reason they are having to curb freedoms in such ways is that the new found wealth of the citizens means they are starting to look seriously at the way things are done in their country in a way they couldn't when they were living on less than a dollar a day and starving on a family farm. Eventually the dam will break.


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[Baker9]

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There is also an argument that the sweatshops represent progress from what went before. China is a lot richer now as a result of those sweatshops than it was 25 years ago. As far as eliminating poverty goes, the Chinese government over the last 25 years is probably the most successful in history.


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Large corporations, with Nike a well-known case in point, were accused of exploiting young children in third world countries and they did exactly that. Bottom-line profit, as nearly always, is the driver for these companies and they cared not a jot. That is, until enough of their existing and target customer base started to protest by not buying. I know of no statistical basis for saying just how many customers it would need to stop a corporation exploiting in this way but there is speculation that around 8% would be enough for them to take enough notice and act. The challenge is that for example some of us on Hibs net might genuinely care but not enough to stop buying Nike / Macron gear.

Third world governments are reluctant to act on the children’s behalf as having them off the streets in the sweat shops solves a problem for the government.

The children themselves are likely not to thank you for saving them unless you replace the money or give them an alternative life perhaps through education. Nike are now pumping large amounts of money into third world countries to do this in social responsibility programmes. Good for them though a bit late.

If you have a conscience about this, check with Macron to find what their policy is and form a view whether to buy or not. If like most of us you kind of care but not enough to act then get down to the shop and buy the gear.

[Elephant Stone]

Macron makes his gear in his bath and it is very good stuff.

No more questions please.

[Jones28]

To the Holy Ground with you

[CropleyWasGod]

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To the Holy Ground with you

Actually, if we could get back on track, we can avoid the Holy Ground

I take it nobody knows the answer.....

[ian cruise]

"Macron is a European company. The head office is in Italy, in Bologna, with a production office in China, Tianjin. 135 is the number of people who work for Macron".

http://www.macron.com/eu/en/work-with-us

Don't know if that gets you any closer to an answer?

[CropleyWasGod]

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"Macron is a European company. The head office is in Italy, in Bologna, with a production office in China, Tianjin. 135 is the number of people who work for Macron".

http://www.macron.com/eu/en/work-with-us

Don't know if that gets you any closer to an answer?

Thanks.

135 people? Doesn't sound much.

[ian cruise]

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Thanks.

135 people? Doesn't sound much.

Would depend how much is automated but I agree, considering the size of the brand it sounds like a very small number

[Ozyhibby]

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Would depend how much is automated but I agree, considering the size of the brand it sounds like a very small number

Their production is likely outsourced to a Chinese company and the 135 are employed in design and sales etc.


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[Golden Bear]

I've got a suspicion that our old friend Mr Petrie is going to be brought in to this very shortly. Just saying.