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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Aahh, so it IS an SNP policy. Thanks for correcting your previous disinformation.
    You said, "the snp came up with it", they didn't, it's been doing the rounds for decades.

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    I wasn't fussed about the baby box when my partner and I found out we were expecting as we are lucky in that we have supportive families and were very well equipped materially. However after persuasion from the midwife we signed up and there is no doubting the contents are fantastic. Clothes, toys, a playmat, thermometers, books and plenty more.

    Did we really need it? No. Would it be a Godsend to someone with nothing/really struggling? Absolutely. I initially argued there was a case for means testing it but I believe the admin costs of that would equate to about the same as the current cost of giving to all who want it so I'm in favour. It's a great universal benefit that gives every child a chance at a good start in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    My tenuous link of the baby box floating down the forth as our new air craft carrier doesn't count then.

    Maybe we should just go it alone, and not have to spend Billions on WMD programmes. We could maybe have a couple of ships patrolling OUR waters.
    One of the things that jumped out at me when reading the Independence white paper prior to the referendum was the recognition that Scotland is a maritime nation and required a strong Navy. So I agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    I wasn't fussed about the baby box when my partner and I found out we were expecting as we are lucky in that we have supportive families and were very well equipped materially. However after persuasion from the midwife we signed up and there is no doubting the contents are fantastic. Clothes, toys, a playmat, thermometers, books and plenty more.

    Did we really need it? No. Would it be a Godsend to someone with nothing/really struggling? Absolutely. I initially argued there was a case for means testing it but I believe the admin costs of that would equate to about the same as the current cost of giving to all who want it so I'm in favour. It's a great universal benefit that gives every child a chance at a good start in life.
    Good to hear a real life perspective on this.

    Interesting that despite your protestations and conformation that you really didn't want or need the box you were 'persuaded' by the mid wife. Out of nothing but sheer curiosity I'd be interested in her (gender assumption alert!) reasoning for persuading you to sign up for one.

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    Good to hear a real life perspective on this.

    Interesting that despite your protestations and conformation that you really didn't want or need the box you were 'persuaded' by the mid wife. Out of nothing but sheer curiosity I'd be interested in her (gender assumption alert!) reasoning for persuading you to sign up for one.
    We were one of the first to be eligible so I think she was just enthusiastic more than anything. She did also say there may be a couple of things in it we hadn't considered.
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    It looks like the Baby box has been a huge success. Proving the doubters/naysayers wrong again.

    http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2017/12/3393
    If the point of it is to encourage breastfeeding and reduce cot death, then it's only a success if this happens. I don't really know what the point of it actually is so may have it wrong, and it's just for free stuff for mums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedish hibee View Post
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    ,,,,and it's just for free stuff for mums.
    This isn't a new thing, back in the early 2000's mums were handed 'Bounty' packs. A large bag containing samples(food/nappies), freebies(photo's/clothing) and information. It wasn't as comprehensive as the boxes and I fear they were heavily sponsored by the multi-million £ baby industry so the pessimist in me thinks it was more about capturing future business rather than promote future well-being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedish hibee View Post
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    If the point of it is to encourage breastfeeding and reduce cot death, then it's only a success if this happens. I don't really know what the point of it actually is so may have it wrong, and it's just for free stuff for mums.
    I don't know if there is a specific health related target. I'd rather thought it was aimed at general well-being and giving babies the best possible start. I'm of the opinion that it doesn't do harm so can only be good for babies and mothers.

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    I wasn't fussed about the baby box when my partner and I found out we were expecting as we are lucky in that we have supportive families and were very well equipped materially. However after persuasion from the midwife we signed up and there is no doubting the contents are fantastic. Clothes, toys, a playmat, thermometers, books and plenty more.

    Did we really need it? No. Would it be a Godsend to someone with nothing/really struggling? Absolutely. I initially argued there was a case for means testing it but I believe the admin costs of that would equate to about the same as the current cost of giving to all who want it so I'm in favour. It's a great universal benefit that gives every child a chance at a good start in life.
    I like the simplicity of the idea, welcoming a wee Scot into our nation with a collective gift from their fellow citizens. The various health and social benefits make it a no brainer. I'd consider making it compulsory for parents to take one, all kids in Scotland are born equal, welcomed by the same simple gift from the nation. And I think the box should be used to keep special things from their childhood for when they're adults.

    It's really quite sad that politics gets in the way of these simple, kind gestures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedish hibee View Post
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    If the point of it is to encourage breastfeeding and reduce cot death, then it's only a success if this happens. I don't really know what the point of it actually is so may have it wrong, and it's just for free stuff for mums.
    It was about giving families who are going through the best times of their lives a wee boost. I'm sure the midwifes have advised on many issues throughout the families time with them, including, sleeping arrangements, breast feeding etc. The box didn't have any breast feeding stuff originally, however through the survey, families have asked about pads, and pumps. I'm sure the boxes will evolve as time goes on, but the first survey has given the boxes a massive thumbs up.

    We have Dads involved too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Geo_1875 View Post
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    I don't know if there is a specific health related target. I'd rather thought it was aimed at general well-being and giving babies the best possible start. I'm of the opinion that it doesn't do harm so can only be good for babies and mothers.
    I was under the impression (i dont know why, so quite possibly wrong) that it was to reduce cot deaths? There must be an outxome that is measurable, otherwise how could it be justified as a good thing to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    I was under the impression (i dont know why, so quite possibly wrong) that it was to reduce cot deaths? There must be an outxome that is measurable, otherwise how could it be justified as a good thing to do?
    You're correct it is, according to scotlands head of midwifery, the box is a safer alternative to baby sleeping in bed or on furniture with the parents and/or leaving baby in a cot in another room if it can't be moved. SIDS isn't still fully understood and is more a case of risk management than prevention, with regards to the box, Finland is the standard the SG are following so they and hopefully us now, must be getting it right.

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    This isn't a new thing, back in the early 2000's mums were handed 'Bounty' packs. A large bag containing samples(food/nappies), freebies(photo's/clothing) and information. It wasn't as comprehensive as the boxes and I fear they were heavily sponsored by the multi-million £ baby industry so the pessimist in me thinks it was more about capturing future business rather than promote future well-being.
    I was always under the impression that Bounty boxes were there to promote/push the company that comes around the maternity wards taking newborn photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefster View Post
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    I was always under the impression that Bounty boxes were there to promote/push the company that comes around the maternity wards taking newborn photos.
    You may well be right Beefster,I did think at the time they seemed very "commercialised" but ours was given to us by a midwife, not a rep doing the rounds.

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    When our children were born we got the Bounty packs - think one was by voucher an which we collected from Boots, other may have been handed out at hospital or also by voucher. AFAIK, the baby pics were branded as by Dimples and separate from the Bounty packs. Think you can still get Bounty packs today.
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    I reckon they are a decent idea. Dismissing any criticism as moronic and indefensible is a bit OTT though isnít it?
    Call Kaye isn't really about constructive criticism though, well not when I've heard it it's not. It's the same frothing loonies phoning in day after day.

    Todays topic on Call Kaye is <insert subject> so why don't you call in and tell us how ***** Scotland is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by degenerated View Post
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    Call Kaye isn't really about constructive criticism though, well not when I've heard it it's not. It's the same frothing loonies phoning in day after day.

    Todays topic on Call Kaye is <insert subject> so why don't you call in and tell us how ***** Scotland is.

    The poster I replied to said 'Vocally being against something that is offered to each and all newborns help their start in life is totally moronic and indefensible.'
    That suggests it doesn't matter where it was said. That is OTT. ALL Government policy should be open to criticism and debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    I wasn't fussed about the baby box when my partner and I found out we were expecting as we are lucky in that we have supportive families and were very well equipped materially. However after persuasion from the midwife we signed up and there is no doubting the contents are fantastic. Clothes, toys, a playmat, thermometers, books and plenty more.

    Did we really need it? No. Would it be a Godsend to someone with nothing/really struggling? Absolutely. I initially argued there was a case for means testing it but I believe the admin costs of that would equate to about the same as the current cost of giving to all who want it so I'm in favour. It's a great universal benefit that gives every child a chance at a good start in life.

    Its a great policy, and it would be refreshing to hear some acknowledgement of that from Scottish Labour, however grudging. I'm not a SNP voter but that doesn't mean they don't get things right from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    I wasn't fussed about the baby box when my partner and I found out we were expecting as we are lucky in that we have supportive families and were very well equipped materially. However after persuasion from the midwife we signed up and there is no doubting the contents are fantastic. Clothes, toys, a playmat, thermometers, books and plenty more.

    Did we really need it? No. Would it be a Godsend to someone with nothing/really struggling? Absolutely. I initially argued there was a case for means testing it but I believe the admin costs of that would equate to about the same as the current cost of giving to all who want it so I'm in favour. It's a great universal benefit that gives every child a chance at a good start in life.
    Just a thought, (and I think itís a great idea BTW).

    Is this not something that could be taken unopened to a foodbank or the likes to give a struggling mother a second box?

    It would remove the admin of means testing, and if you donít need it, thereís always someone who could do with another.

    All the best with the new Hibee BTW.

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    When our children were born we got the Bounty packs - think one was by voucher an which we collected from Boots, other may have been handed out at hospital or also by voucher. AFAIK, the baby pics were branded as by Dimples and separate from the Bounty packs. Think you can still get Bounty packs today.
    yip bounty packs are still on the go, we were given one a couple of weeks ago

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    Interesting that despite your protestations and conformation that you really didn't want or need the box you were 'persuaded' by the mid wife. Out of nothing but sheer curiosity I'd be interested in her (gender assumption alert!) reasoning for persuading you to sign up for one.
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    When we had our son the hospital wouldnít provide nappies or cotton wool for his 2 day stay until he went home.

    The bounty box was handy but if weíd been unprepared or poorer it would have been invaluable.

    Means testing would stigmatise the boxes. Typical Tory ploy with benefits!

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    Baby boxes are a great idea, particularly to the sections of society who insist on churning out babies well knowing they don't have the means to support tbem. They never stop at one either, dragging up another child into a life of poverty doesn't phase them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibby View Post
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    Baby boxes are a great idea, particularly to the sections of society who insist on churning out babies well knowing they don't have the means to support tbem. They never stop at one either, dragging up another child into a life of poverty doesn't phase them!
    One of the fewsources of pleaseure they have - or hope.

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    We got a baby box. It's tremendous. We use it every day, the kid sleeps in it when it's not bedtime and it was full of useful stuff that although you know you might need it, you don't know where you'd get it.

    We also got a bounty bag. That was just a marketing thing: mostly free, trial-size samples and money off vouchers.

    The box though, is excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steakbake View Post
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    We got a baby box. It's tremendous. We use it every day, the kid sleeps in it when it's not bedtime and it was full of useful stuff that although you know you might need it, you don't know where you'd get it.

    We also got a bounty bag. That was just a marketing thing: mostly free, trial-size samples and money off vouchers.

    The box though, is excellent.
    Great to hear and congratulations

    It seems like a fairly low cost progressive policy to me and fair play to the SNP for introducing it.

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    Me and my Mrs are getting, she's due in March, it will be a great help to us as my family are skint!

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    I find the opposition to this policy utterly baffling. Sometimes a government comes up with a good idea that should be welcomed by everyone. Admittedly itís a rare event, but this one is surely one of these policies. Iíve been genuinely surprised by some of things Iíve read and heard about the baby box. It reminds me of Americans arguing about free healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I find the opposition to this policy utterly baffling. Sometimes a government comes up with a good idea that should be welcomed by everyone. Admittedly itís a rare event, but this one is surely one of these policies. Iíve been genuinely surprised by some of things Iíve read and heard about the baby box. It reminds me of Americans arguing about free healthcare.
    Even some folks in my own family were saying "I suppose you'll be getting one on Nicola's baby boxes" like it was a bad thing...only to later say that it's a great idea once they'd seen it. Instinctual opposition first, then they see the reality. It's just what they've learned from the papers etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibby View Post
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    Baby boxes are a great idea, particularly to the sections of society who insist on churning out babies well knowing they don't have the means to support tbem. They never stop at one either, dragging up another child into a life of poverty doesn't phase them!
    Terrible isn't it.

    Especially when they have three bairns whilst on benefits, taking from the people, and living in massive palaces.


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