Hearts' New Stand Thread (Merged)

[lord bunberry]

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I wasn't slagging them off, just a wee pointer. However, they are fair game and always will be. Slagging them off is our job.

Correct, it’s a job I take very seriously.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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As I posted earlier, I don't think many are denying that Hearts fans raising millions to keep their club afloat is a good and laudable thing. FOH, however, would not have come into being had the crackpot Romanov regime not dragged the club to the brink of liquidation, yet many Hearts fans have quickly ditched their once slavish 'Vlad can do no wrong' mindset and instead adopted a rather smug, self-congratulatory mantra that they are in some way a paragon of excellence when it comes to showing us all the best way to run a club - as though they, and they alone, could have rallied around in such a way during a crisis. That's what I find distasteful about it.

HSL v FOH should not be seen as some sort of rivalry. They were brought into being in entirely different circumstances, their ultimate aims are different, and as such HSL is a slower burner (though one that has already yielded benefits to the club that would not previously have existed).

This hits the nail on the head. Its not the effort the Hearts fans have put in to save their club, more than one poster on here, myself included, has grudgingly acknowledged how impressive the way they rallied around was ... it would be absolutely churlish to deny it.

But in typical Yam fashion that's not enough for them, they have to make ludicrous claims that no other fans would have stepped up in the way they have and make ridiculous comparisons to what happened to us at the start of the 90s ... totally ignoring the fact that a movement like FOH would have been neigh on impossible in the days before the advent of mass social media and online banking being available to everybody. Hands off Hibs had the backing of every Hibs fan and took the only steps possible at the time to save the club .... they did it very well as I recall.

Stuff like this utterly defines Hearts and is the reason there's at least anecdotal evidence that they are the most disliked club in Scotland outside of the Ugly Sisters. Only the Yams could take something fans of other clubs would normally applaud them for and gain them their respect and make those same fans hate them for it.

[green day]

That's all fine, but frankly IDGAF about hearts.

What I am concerned with is us and if these plums (idiots/hopeless project managers or not) have more money than us - then history suggests that they will ultimately end up above us in the league..

We can ignore this, but if we do there will probably be only one outcome.

[monarch]

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This hits the nail on the head. Its not the effort the Hearts fans have put in to save their club, more than one poster on here, myself included, has grudgingly acknowledged how impressive the way they rallied around was ... it would be absolutely churlish to deny it.

But in typical Yam fashion that's not enough for them, they have to make ludicrous claims that no other fans would have stepped up in the way they have and make ridiculous comparisons to what happened to us at the start of the 90s ... totally ignoring the fact that a movement like FOH would have been neigh on impossible in the days before the advent of mass social media and online banking being available to everybody. Hands off Hibs had the backing of every Hibs fan and took the only steps possible at the time to save the club .... they did it very well as I recall.

Stuff like this utterly defines Hearts and is the reason there's at least anecdotal evidence that they are the most disliked club in Scotland outside of the Ugly Sisters. Only the Yams could take something fans of other clubs would normally applaud them for and gain them their respect and make those same fans hate them for it.

And at the 90s/ Hands Off Hibs era STF paid of all creditors. Now remind me how did Hearts deal with their debt ?

[007]

The 18 points difference and us qualifying for Europe is really hurting them right now. They are continually reminding themselves of 5-1, Hibsing it moments and relegation parties. The more they do it, the more it shows how much pain they are in. Love it!

[Chic Murray]

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The money HSL raises is used to buy shares and the cash is used to boost the player budget of a well run club. I think Hibs fans can be pleased and proud of their contributions. The money FOH raises is constantly diverted to pay for Hearts' mismanagement. If the Hearts fans continue to support that then they haven't learned anything from the past decade or so.

It's not how much money you raise, it's where it ends up.

[G B Young]

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This hits the nail on the head. Its not the effort the Hearts fans have put in to save their club, more than one poster on here, myself included, has grudgingly acknowledged how impressive the way they rallied around was ... it would be absolutely churlish to deny it.

But in typical Yam fashion that's not enough for them, they have to make ludicrous claims that no other fans would have stepped up in the way they have and make ridiculous comparisons to what happened to us at the start of the 90s ... totally ignoring the fact that a movement like FOH would have been neigh on impossible in the days before the advent of mass social media and online banking being available to everybody. Hands off Hibs had the backing of every Hibs fan and took the only steps possible at the time to save the club .... they did it very well as I recall.

Stuff like this utterly defines Hearts and is the reason there's at least anecdotal evidence that they are the most disliked club in Scotland outside of the Ugly Sisters. Only the Yams could take something fans of other clubs would normally applaud them for and gain them their respect and make those same fans hate them for it.

It's also the fact that while most yams privately know fine well that Romanov was a mercenary asset stripper who never had Hearts' interests at heart and ended up abandoning them to their fate, few can bring themselves to admit it. The reason? Because of a misguided belief that the Romanov era was responsible for them winning the 2012 cup final, which therefore made the subsequent shambolic descent into administration 'worth it'. Truth is Vlad had lost interest by 2012 and only a couple of unlikely cup runs by a bang average Hearts side (albeit still on inflated, unsustainable wages) and one of the poorest Hibs sides in living memory saw that match come about. Nowt to do with Vlad's 'masterplan'. However, instead of looking back on that era in horror, that one result means that most Hearts fans adopt a shake of the head approach to 'mad old Vlad' while now seeking to reinvent their club as one we should all aspire to emulate, with FOH and Queen Ann leading them on to imagined future glories.

[lapsedhibee]

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And at the 90s/ Hands Off Hibs era STF paid of all creditors. Now remind me how did Hearts deal with their debt ?

That wasn't really fair, the way he paid off all of our creditors and only one of Hearts'.

[jabis]

According to keekback,they're having the sale to end all sales.
As I read it,it seems one cardigan festooned chap paid £100 to have a gander at a directors box.wonder which director?

[Keith_M]

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Had she taken the interest, and then repaid it directly towards the stand, the effect would have been the same.

Directly or indirectly, she has contributed. And she hasn't been slow in telling people, which is perhaps the point.

My local shopkeeper is going to buy a new house. Every Friday, he goes with his takings to deposit them in the bank, roughly 10k.

I was going to rob him on his way there, last Friday, but decided not to do it after all.



Does that mean I just contributed 10k to his new house?

[CropleyWasGod]

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My local shopkeeper is going to buy a new house. Every Friday, he goes with his takings to deposit them in the bank, roughly 10k.

I was going to rob him on his way there, last Friday, but decided not to do it after all.



Does that mean I just contributed 10k to his new house?

He's taking in half a million a year? Do Tesco know?

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[Bostonhibby]

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According to keekback,they're having the sale to end all sales.
As I read it,it seems one cardigan festooned chap paid £100 to have a gander at a directors box.wonder which director?

Listen if he's paid his money he can do whatever he likes in the directors box, it's the hearts way.

You've really got to feel sorry for the poor goose though.

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[SuperAllyMcleod]

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According to keekback,they're having the sale to end all sales.
As I read it,it seems one cardigan festooned chap paid £100 to have a gander at a directors box.wonder which director?

Why? It’s exactly the same as the rest of the stand, with the exception of having stewards giving a guard of honour to get to your seat.

[Jack Hackett]

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Why? It’s exactly the same as the rest of the stand, with the exception of having stewards giving a guard of honour to get to your seat.

Why not? Seems a more economical method of throwing away cash than paying £4k for a plastic owl... even if you do get to keep the owl.

I came to the conclusion a while back that the 'simple fans' are as financially clueless and profligate as the club

[4WAW]

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That wasn't really fair, the way he paid off all of our creditors and only one of Hearts'.

It was truly a magnificent gesture from STF to assist the Hurts by settling their debt to a major charity, but does stating this unarguable fact in isolation not ignore the equally magnificent gesture of the Hurts in cancelling the rental debt incurred by one of their own charities that had occasional use of some offices adjacent to Tiny? If I remember correctly, the debt owed to Hurts was allegedly cancelled out by the money raised by the charity for good causes? The Hurts didn't lose out and the charity beneficiaries didn't benefit, ergo no loss overall?

Maybe someone more familiar with the details can elaborate.

Happy to issue an apology if I have misunderstood and no hurt intended.

[Keith_M]

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He's taking in half a million a year? Do Tesco know?

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It's in Glasgow and he sells a LOT of Buckfast

[bodhibs]

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Why not? Seems a more economical method of throwing away cash than paying £4k for a plastic owl... even if you do get to keep the owl.

I came to the conclusion a while back that the 'simple fans' are as financially clueless and profligate as the club

I just spent a fraction of that price on a similar owl and got a plastic peregrine falcon thrown in. Seagulls laughed at both. What was special about that owl to justify that price? Will a Jambo 4k owl scare away ' vermin'?

[Hibs07p]

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It was truly a magnificent gesture from STF to assist the Hurts by settling their debt to a major charity, but does stating this unarguable fact in isolation not ignore the equally magnificent gesture of the Hurts in cancelling the rental debt incurred by one of their own charities that had occasional use of some offices adjacent to Tiny? If I remember correctly, the debt owed to Hurts was allegedly cancelled out by the money raised by the charity for good causes? The Hurts didn't lose out and the charity beneficiaries didn't benefit, ergo no loss overall?

Maybe someone more familiar with the details can elaborate.

Happy to issue an apology if I have misunderstood and no hurt intended.

My understanding is that the poppy thieves had collected money on behalf of their own charity, but had failed to pass that on before they went into administration, which then showed the charity as a creditor on the debtor list. The administrators then converted that debt into "backdated imaginary rent" which cancelled out the debt. IMO no credit due to the poppy thieves, but maybe one less debt to be paid under any "football debts" criteria that might have been in place at the time.

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[Dashing Bob S]

If they made a Terminator sequel set in Edinburgh the Hearts stadium would be the last building standing as it would be the only one not worth bothering to destroy.

[Alan62]

Just had a wee nod in over the road and looked at their 'Hybrid Pitch' thread. The latest pictures show a sand layer which goes down before the soil and also houses the undersoil heating pipes. Anyway, the point it that the pitch now seems to be sitting high with a run-off similar to the pitch at Old Trafford. Not as high, but still significantly higher than it has been. Bearing in mind that the run-off is at an angle, if the pitch ends up like this, surely it will be even smaller and, if it's raised, you'd imagine it will affect the view from the front rows.

Take a look over if you dare. http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index....-pitch/&page=7

[RyeSloan]

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Just had a wee nod in over the road and looked at their 'Hybrid Pitch' thread. The latest pictures show a sand layer which goes down before the soil and also houses the undersoil heating pipes. Anyway, the point it that the pitch now seems to be sitting high with a run-off similar to the pitch at Old Trafford. Not as high, but still significantly higher than it has been. Bearing in mind that the run-off is at an angle, if the pitch ends up like this, surely it will be even smaller and, if it's raised, you'd imagine it will affect the view from the front rows.

Take a look over if you dare. http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index....-pitch/&page=7

Ahh but digging down and putting the pitch at the right height would have cost them...solution...botch it.

Looks like it will be significantly higher than the old one (although you would need a ‘good’ pic of the old one to compare)

As ever with Budge it’s probably going to be a big spend with plenty of negative compromises, something she’s pretty damn good at.

It’s also pretty apparent little or no thought has gone into it and how it will fit with the planned height of the pitch when the stands were built. And ,you can bet your bottom dollar the new stand was not built with this height of pitch considered in advance.

Tynie no matter what they do will always throw up this sort of botch, the place has always been just that bit too small for a proper modern stadium yet they have failed to grasp that nettle and will now have a half ersed effort for ever more. Half of their new stand is still boarded up for gawds sake.

[Jack]

If they dug down deep enough they might find where they buried the ghost of football past.

[Kato]

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If they dug down deep enough they might find where they buried the ghost of football past.

That was seen at every home game last season under that jurassic manager they've got. They went from lap-top boy straight back to the neolithic.

[FilipinoHibs]

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Just had a wee nod in over the road and looked at their 'Hybrid Pitch' thread. The latest pictures show a sand layer which goes down before the soil and also houses the undersoil heating pipes. Anyway, the point it that the pitch now seems to be sitting high with a run-off similar to the pitch at Old Trafford. Not as high, but still significantly higher than it has been. Bearing in mind that the run-off is at an angle, if the pitch ends up like this, surely it will be even smaller and, if it's raised, you'd imagine it will affect the view from the front rows.

Take a look over if you dare. http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index....-pitch/&page=7

But will it be ready in time? First few games all away from home again😀

[greenginger]

One of the kickback pictures shows scaffolding around the police control room.

Don't tell me they are altering this iconic view inhibiting structure.

[Kato]

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One of the kickback pictures shows scaffolding around the police control room.

Don't tell me they are altering this iconic view inhibiting structure.

Sad day, eh bud?

Its going from "blimey that gets in the way" to "y'know, sticks out a wee bit".

[Jack]

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That was seen at every home game last season under that jurassic manager they've got. They went from lap-top boy straight back to the neolithic.

TBH I was thinking more like 50 years ago!

[Keith_M]

Have they built the new TV studio yet?

Where in the ground is it supposed to be?

[Hibby70]

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If they made a Terminator sequel set in Edinburgh the Hearts stadium would be the last building standing as it would be the only one not worth bothering to destroy.

Is it directed by James Camaroon?

I'll get my coat....

[007]

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Is it directed by James Camaroon?

I'll get my coat....

They're not a big club they're a titanic club.