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    40 per cent of the vote; an increase of 10 points. Blairism is finished; Labour don't merely need to be slightly nicer Tories to win but can succeed on a democratic socialist platform. There is hope again


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    Labour have just taken Kensington!

    WTF?!?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7782961.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
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    Labour have just taken Kensington!

    WTF?!?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7782961.html
    Aye and have taken Kensington with Jeremy Corbyn as leader and a left wing manifesto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    Aye and have taken Kensington with Jeremy Corbyn as leader and a left wing manifesto.
    Socialist takes Chelsea and Kensington, Tories now the second force in Scotland. Strange times.

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    The first thing Labour should do is to put PR in their manifesto. Have a look at the figures for the last few GEs. It is frightening how the value a vote varies depending on postcode.

    Blair 2005 9,552,436 35.2% votes 355 seats
    Brown 2010 8,609,527 votes 29% 258 seats
    Milliband 2015 9,347,304 votes 30.4% 232 seats
    Corbyn 2017 12,874,985 votes 40% 262 seats

    Howard 2005 8,784,915 votes 32.4% 198 seats
    Cameron 2010 10,726,614 votes 36.1% 307 seats
    Cameron 2015 11,334,576 votes 36.9% 331 seats
    May 2017 13,667,213 votes 42.4% 318 seats

    First past the post is a crazy system. Corbyn get a bigger percentage of the vote and at least a million more votes more than the previous 3 PMs and is 89 seats short of a majority. He was only 0.7% less but 2 million more than Blair in 2001 who gained 413 seats.
    May gets 2.4% more votes than Corbyn but that equates to 21% more seats. The "left" get around 54% of the vote but that isn't enough for a majority of seats.
    May can rightly claim she got the most seats and the most votes but she does not speak on behalf of the majority in Britain. The system we have though will allow her to join together with 10 creationist nutters and have an outright majority that will let her do anything she wants as long as she can get every Tory and DUP bum on a seat and agreeing with the party line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookie70 View Post
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    The first thing Labour should do is to put PR in their manifesto. Have a look at the figures for the last few GEs. It is frightening how the value a vote varies depending on postcode.

    Blair 2005 9,552,436 35.2% votes 355 seats
    Brown 2010 8,609,527 votes 29% 258 seats
    Milliband 2015 9,347,304 votes 30.4% 232 seats
    Corbyn 2017 12,874,985 votes 40% 262 seats

    Howard 2005 8,784,915 votes 32.4% 198 seats
    Cameron 2010 10,726,614 votes 36.1% 307 seats
    Cameron 2015 11,334,576 votes 36.9% 331 seats
    May 2017 13,667,213 votes 42.4% 318 seats

    First past the post is a crazy system. Corbyn get a bigger percentage of the vote and at least a million more votes more than the previous 3 PMs and is 89 seats short of a majority. He was only 0.7% less but 2 million more than Blair in 2001 who gained 413 seats.
    May gets 2.4% more votes than Corbyn but that equates to 21% more seats. The "left" get around 54% of the vote but that isn't enough for a majority of seats.
    May can rightly claim she got the most seats and the most votes but she does not speak on behalf of the majority in Britain. The system we have though will allow her to join together with 10 creationist nutters and have an outright majority that will let her do anything she wants as long as she can get every Tory and DUP bum on a seat and agreeing with the party line.


    I voted Green. One seat for 525,000 votes.
    Conservatives - 42,979 votes per seat.
    Labour - 49,141 votes per seat
    SNP - 27,931 votes per seat
    Lib dem - 197,648 votes per seat
    DUP - 29,232 votes per seat
    Sinn Fein - 34, 131 votes per seat
    Plaid Cymru - 41,117 votes per seat
    UKIP - Nothing at all for 593,852 votes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    I voted Green. One seat for 525,000 votes.
    Conservatives - 42,979 votes per seat.
    Labour - 49,141 votes per seat
    SNP - 27,931 votes per seat
    Lib dem - 197,648 votes per seat
    DUP - 29,232 votes per seat
    Sinn Fein - 34, 131 votes per seat
    Plaid Cymru - 41,117 votes per seat
    UKIP - Nothing at all for 593,852 votes
    I typically vote Green but Corbyn did enough to convince me. As a Civil Servant I have heard him speak a few times at Union Conference and he is very supportive as is John McD. First past the post just makes some voters votes hugely valuable. It is a terrible system if you believe votes should be of equal value. The Scottish system seems reasonable in maintaining a constituency element and propping that up with list seats.

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    Whatever you do Jeremy sort out Scottish Labour.

    Gutter politicians most of whom would stab you in the back given the opportunity. James Kelly, Kezia, Ian Murray and Iain Gray to name but a few, the latter of whom was outrageous in his comments on BBC Radio Scotland today. 2 of them Hibees as well
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    I personally don't get it but he has done well from the starting position he had. To have gained so many seats is certainly an impressive result for him.

    I still don't think Labour will ever win a General Election with Jeremy Corbyn as leader though.
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    I personally don't get it but he has done well from the starting position he had. To have gained so many seats is certainly an impressive result for him.

    I still don't think Labour will ever win a General Election with Jeremy Corbyn as leader though.
    For me it's now somewhat irrelevant whether Corbyn ever actually wins an election as leader. He has put the ideological debate back on the table both within the Labour Party and amongst the public. His hand will be strengthened moving forward because many of the 'rebels' will be willing to get behind him, at least for the meantime.

    The next challenge is of course actually setting about winning an election, whether that's in a year or 5 years. He's done a fine job mobilising the young and student vote and reawakening a group of traditional voters who Labour had alienated in recent years. What he needs to do now is start winning more votes from the SNP in Scotland and the Tories in England and indeed now Scotland. That may require a few concessions and a policy or 2 from the centre ground, I think that is now firmly acheivable whilst maintaining a strong social democratic heart. He's got my vote for the forseeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    For me it's now somewhat irrelevant whether Corbyn ever actually wins an election as leader. He has put the ideological debate back on the table both within the Labour Party and amongst the public. His hand will be strengthened moving forward because many of the 'rebels' will be willing to get behind him, at least for the meantime.

    The next challenge is of course actually setting about winning an election, whether that's in a year or 5 years. He's done a fine job mobilising the young and student vote and reawakening a group of traditional voters who Labour had alienated in recent years. What he needs to do now is start winning more votes from the SNP in Scotland and the Tories in England and indeed now Scotland. That may require a few concessions and a policy or 2 from the centre ground, I think that is now firmly acheivable whilst maintaining a strong social democratic heart. He's got my vote for the forseeable.
    Its not about the man, it's about his policies, as I've said many times already. Inspire people with ideas and win the election in five years with a genuinely radical agenda, whoevers at the helm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    Its not about the man, it's about his policies, as I've said many times already. Inspire people with ideas and win the election in five years with a genuinely radical agenda, whoevers at the helm.
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    This, from the New Yorker, is brilliant.

    THE BOOK OF JEREMY CORBYN

    And it came to pass, in the land of Britain, that the High Priestess went unto the people and said, Behold, I bring ye tidings of great joy. For on the eighth day of the sixth month there shall be a general election.

    And the people said, Not another one.

    And they waxed wroth against the High Priestess and said, Didst thou not sware, even unto seven times, that thou wouldst not call a snap election?

    And the High Priestess said, I know, I know. But Brexit is come upon us, and I must go into battle against the tribes of France, Germany, and sundry other holiday destinations. And I must put on the armor of a strong majority in the people’s house. Therefore go ye out and vote.

    And there came from the temple pollsters, who said, Surely this woman will flourish. For her enemy is as grass; she cutteth him down. He is as straw in the wind, and he will blow away. And the trumpet of her triumph shall sound in all the land.

    And the High Priestess said, Piece of cake.

    And there came from the same country a prophet, whose name was Jeremy. His beard was as the pelt of beasts, and his raiments were not of the finest. And he cried aloud in the wilderness and said, Behold, I bring you hope.

    And suddenly there was with him a host of young people. And he said unto them, Ye shall study and grow wise in all things, and I shall not ask ye for gold. And the sick shall be made well, and they also will heal freely. And he promised unto them all manner of goodly things.

    And the young people said unto him, How shall these things be rendered, seeing that thou hast no money in thy purse?

    And he spake unto them in a voice of sounding brass and said, Soak the rich. And again, Pull down the mighty from their seats.

    And the young people went absolutely nuts.

    And they hearkened unto the word of Jeremy, and believed. For they said unto themselves, Lo, he bringeth unto us the desire of our hearts. He cometh by bicycle, with a helmet upon his head. And he eateth neither flesh nor fowl, according to the Scriptures. For man cannot live by bread alone, but hummus is quite another matter.

    And the High Priestess saw all these things and was sore. And she gathered unto her the chief scribes and the Pharisees and said unto them, What the hell is going on?

    And they said unto her, It is a blip, as if it were a rough place upon the road.

    But they said unto themselves, When the government was upon her shoulders, this woman was mighty. But now that she has gone abroad unto every corner of the land, she stumbleth. For surely it is written that ruling and campaigning are as oil and water, and there shall be no concord betwixt them.

    And the chief scribes wrote upon tablets, saying, Jeremy is false of tongue. He hideth wickedness in his heart. And his sums do not add up.

    And nobody paid any attention.

    And the elders rose up and said to the young people, If ye choose Jeremy, he will bring distress in your toils and wailing upon your streets. Do ye not remember the nineteen-seventies?

    And the young people said, The what?

    And the elders spake again, and said to the young people, Beware, for he gave succor in days of yore to the I.R.A.

    And the young people said, The what?

    And the young people said, Jeremy shall bring peace unto all nations, for he hateth the engines of war that take wing across the heavens. And he showeth respect for all peoples, even unto the transgender community.

    And the elders said, The what?

    And it came to pass that the heathen of this land came among the people, with fire and sword, and slew many among the faithful. And great was the lamentation.

    And the High Priestess waxed exceeding wroth and said to the people, Fear not. For I shall bind your wounds and give ye shelter from the heathen, and shall take up the sword against them.

    And there came again pollsters from the temple, who said, Will the people not vote for her in this hour of need?

    And nobody paid any attention.

    And it came to the vote.

    And the elders went up to vote, and the young people. And the young people were as a multitude. And in the hours of darkness there was much counting. And the young people watched by night, and the elders went to bed.

    And there came in the morning news that the High Priestess had vanquished the prophet Jeremy. But the triumph of the High Priestess was as the width of a nail. And she was vexed.

    And the elders and the chief scribes and the Pharisees spoke among themselves, yea, even in the corners of their houses.

    And there was great rejoicing amidst the multitude of the young. And they took strong wine, and did feast among themselves. And there were twelve baskets left over.

    And of the pollsters there was no sign.

    And the people saw Jeremy and said, Surely this man has won? Doth he not skip in gladness like a young hart upon the hills?

    And there was great murmuring among the elders. And they said unto themselves, Weep not. For the High Priestess doth but prepare the way. Cometh there not one who is greater than she?

    And they said, Behold, for the hour of the redeemer is upon us. And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the Prince of Peace. And they cried in one voice, Boris.

    And the young people said, Oh, ****.

    And the people gave tongue, and made supplication unto the Lord, saying, Lord, let our cry come unto thee.

    And the Lord thought the whole thing was absolutely hilarious.

    And then the people said, Lord, what shall we do regarding Brexit? For henceforth the High Priestess shall be as weak as a newborn lamb. How shall we hope for continued access to the single market?

    And the Lord said, The what?
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