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04-06-2019 10:02 AM #301
Last edited by HUTCHYHIBBY; 04-06-2019 at 10:08 AM.
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11-06-2019 02:26 PM #302
I'm having a wee read of Robin Oakley's 'Britain and Ireland's top 100 racehorses of all time'. I remember Robin as the BBC political editor; it turns out he's a big racing fan, and it's a nice bit of light reading, covering both flat and jumps. His notable horses of rank:
1, Arkle
2, Frankel
3, Brigadier Gerard
4, Sea The Stars
5, Sea Bird
10, Red Rum
13, Nijinsky
14, Flyingbolt
17, Dancing Brave
20,L'Escargot
23, Dawn Run
31, Desert Orchid
32, Shergar
37, Denman
39, Mill House
Well worth a browse, if you haven't already done so.HIBERNIAN FC - ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY SINCE 1875
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11-06-2019 04:18 PM #303This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Personally I've increasingly been persuaded that Sea The Stars may have been a superior horse to Frankel albeit not as visually stunning. I also like that he gives Kauto Star the credit he deserves, there appears a trend amongst some in racing to downplay just how brilliant he was.
By a different author I'd also recommend the book Dream Horse about Dream Alliance; there's a documentary on Netflix of the same name. It's just a great story.
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11-06-2019 04:57 PM #304This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Talked about the book with my dad, who isn't happy his all time favourite, Nijinsky, is rated thirteenth by Oakley. "If there's ever been a better horse on the flat, I'm a Hearts man" is his view, along with "put Frankel up for a triple crown, then we'll talk" . He's also miffed that Dessie is ranked 'only' 31. "You're telling me there has been thirty better than the great grey"? I think Dessie won him a big wedge over the years, hence the unwavering loyalty.Last edited by Hibernia&Alba; 11-06-2019 at 05:02 PM.
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11-06-2019 05:57 PM #305This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Dessie was able to carry huge weights (12 stone 3lbs in the Racing Post Chase and 12 stone in the Irish National) and could win of level weights, won over 2 miles right up to 3 miles 2f and won a Gold Cup on ground he despised. He was my Grandads favourite and we were at Kempton, I was 4 or 5, when he fell in his final race. The winner, The Fellow, got a decent ovation but Dessie got up, after a nasty, tired fall, and raised the roof when he cantered past the stands thinking he had won. I've never seen a reception like it since for a beaten horse.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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11-06-2019 06:44 PM #306This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Very few (perhaps only Red Rum) ever enjoyed the love of the public in the way Desert Orchid did. His last race, which you mention. The old boy was past his best but still adored and cheered the most:
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11-06-2019 09:42 PM #307This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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13-06-2019 08:54 PM #308This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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19-06-2019 09:37 PM #309
It's always interesting to hear different peoples opinions about horse racing, whether it's flat or jumps. The 2 best flat horses, for me, were Ribot, the brilliant unbeaten Italian horse who won the King George and the Arc amongst other Grade 1 races, and Secretariat, the legendary American horse who was almost a freak of nature.
Over the jumps I would have chosen Moscow Flyer and Sprinter Sacre, for different reasons.
All about opinions, it's fascinating reading others opinions even if they don't agree with mine!
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20-06-2019 03:59 PM #310
Dettori is going through the card at Ascot today. Four so far including the Gold Cup.
The people who present ITV racing are total prats unfortunately!
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20-06-2019 08:09 PM #311This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteHIBERNIAN FC - ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY SINCE 1875
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22-06-2019 12:34 PM #312This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-06-2019 02:55 PM #314
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22-06-2019 06:21 PM #316This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If anyone does Facebook there is an account for Istabraq with a few pictures and updates from his retirement. He lives with J P McManus at Martinstown stud.
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22-06-2019 08:32 PM #317This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-06-2019 08:39 PM #318This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Was he just over the hill at this point, or was something wrong?HIBERNIAN FC - ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY SINCE 1875
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22-06-2019 09:48 PM #319This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-06-2019 06:41 AM #320This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You can often find old BHA stewards reports online and the one for that race states the jockey reported Istabraq 'lost action after the 1st and never travelled' and a veterinary exam found 'the horse to be lame in the back and a further exam reveled stretched back muscles'.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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23-06-2019 06:34 PM #322
What is the next big meeting?
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23-06-2019 06:52 PM #323This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-06-2019 06:56 PM #324This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Do you think Enable will be just as good again? If so, I don't see how she is beaten.HIBERNIAN FC - ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY SINCE 1875
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23-06-2019 08:39 PM #325This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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