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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    You will have to work a bit harder on the comedy routine before the fringe starts. But when someone heckles you, you need to have a better line in comebacks rather than repeating the same pish.
    And ironically, the bit you put in bold.... He's the one poster on here who's not been close to doing that.
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    This is complete nonsense. One of the worst posts I've read on here. I've long suspected you're one of these fake posters falsely arguing against posters who are of the same separatist views as yourself but pretend to have an opposing argument. Ridiculous post.

    I'm one of the few on here who actually makes a straight down the line case for the party I have supported for many a year.

    Some of us actually believe in what we're saying.

    Social Justice - Dignity and Decent Benefits for Disabled Folk and the Unemployed - Protecting and Growing Pensions for the Elderly - Growing the Economy for all of the Folk of Scotland to Prosper and Live Well - Housing the Homeless - Ensuring Adequate Funding for our NHS among any number of our vital Socialist Ideals.

    Strengthening socialist ideals and causes within the UK is where we should be uniting and not separating ourselves off from it for we would certainly become sooner or later a poverty stricken very bland powerless and voiceless region of the EU in doing so.

    I personally just as Richard Leonard's Scottish Labour does care very deeply about Scotland and the folk within. Vote Snp and you'll see more of the likes of the Gillian Martin's being in power who will decimate benefits for the disabled and poorest in society as they blame them for their policies being fruitless.

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    no youíre not. You post and repost the same half dozen or so sound bites, refuse to engage with any political debate, you ignore any questions that are asked of you, and berate anyone who disagrees with you as being an SNP sycophant.

    If you truly believe in what you are saying, you should be able to:
    - back up your claims by telling us how Scottish Labour are achieving the actions youíve repeatedly described
    - debate with posters of all political persuasions about the merits of Scottish Labour over other parties, not just keep repeating the same empty rhetoric (which it is and will remain until you can provide examples and vidence beyond you just saying it)
    - demonstrate coherent and achievable targets with a plan reach them, as laid out by Richard Leonard

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    no youíre not. You post and repost the same half dozen or so sound bites, refuse to engage with any political debate, you ignore any questions that are asked of you, and berate anyone who disagrees with you as being an SNP sycophant.

    If you truly believe in what you are saying, you should be able to:
    - back up your claims by telling us how Scottish Labour are achieving the actions youíve repeatedly described
    - debate with posters of all political persuasions about the merits of Scottish Labour over other parties, not just keep repeating the same empty rhetoric (which it is and will remain until you can provide examples and vidence beyond you just saying it)
    - demonstrate coherent and achievable targets with a plan reach them, as laid out by Richard Leonard
    I think this is all perfectly obvious to everyone including Ignish.

    Whatís also perfectly obvious is that there is zero intention to do any such thing.

    Which is a shame as it would be quite entertaining to hear how all these Ďfightsí are coming along and how Socialism would save the day for all Ďfolkí

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    Can I just add my tuppence worth, I feel Scotland has been denied a voice in the Brexit negotiations and treated with distain. The upcoming Indyref2 will be fought on EU membership, in, we are independant within EU, out we are part of a Tory UK in totally unknown waters with a powerless Scottish Parliment.
    I live in Norway, we are not a member of EU but a member of EEA which gives us access to the single market. This costs a fortune, for example, fish and farming incur 100 million euros of tariffs every year. There are no voting rights hence no say at the table. is also means we have free movement of people which is a May red line. The only reason Norway can stay out of the EU is because it has managed its own affairs very well, with pretty much the same resources as Scotland I must add, it can afford to. We are not in the customs union either which on a personal level you can really see when ordering goods from abroad, just add on 22pc ish for toll and postage. I usually order stuff to my Edinburgh address and pick it up whem I,m over. I think the UK is in for a bit of a shock if it leaves with no deal. Scotland deserves a choice, just hope the media can be imparcial this time but I wont hold my breath.

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    Iím heading up to Dundee tomorrow for my first AUOB event. Great city, I canít wait to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    Iím heading up to Dundee tomorrow for my first AUOB event. Great city, I canít wait to get there.
    I'm heading down as well. My first AUOB event as well. I'll miss the Perth one though. I doubt we will be able to meet up, but I will have a black T-shirt with a Yes logo and 'Keep It Classy' above it.
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    So will the SNP listen to its supporters and call IndyRef2? That's what they want is it not, if there was a poll of SNP members surely a massive majority for it. So why they ignoring their supporters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    So will the SNP listen to its supporters and call IndyRef2? That's what they want is it not, if there was a poll of SNP members surely a massive majority for it. So why they ignoring their supporters?
    There's a massive majority of Hibs supporters want Scott Allan back. That doesn't mean that the management have to do it.

    Of course the membership want one. But the leadership know, as I'm sure you do, that it's not the members that the SNP have to make the case for independence to.

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    Of course the membership want one. But the leadership know, as I'm sure you do, that it's not the members that the SNP have to make the case for independence to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    So will the SNP listen to its supporters and call IndyRef2? That's what they want is it not, if there was a poll of SNP members surely a massive majority for it. So why they ignoring their supporters?
    Jesus wept. I've seen you ask that question loads of times now and have just ignored it as I thought you were at it. How would you know there would be massive support for indyref2? I assume you have conducted a pill? I'm an SNP member and a committed independence supporter but I don't want a referendum at the moment. I personally would wait to see just how disastrous Brexit is first. Will it be plain old bad or will it be even worse. What will it all mean for Scotland. Your question is like me asking why didn't Labour nationalise the railway, steel works etc when they were in power because surely that's what their supporters wanted

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    Jesus wept. I've seen you ask that question loads of times now and have just ignored it as I thought you were at it. How would you know there would be massive support for indyref2? I assume you have conducted a pill? I'm an SNP member and a committed independence supporter but I don't want a referendum at the moment. I personally would wait to see just how disastrous Brexit is first. Will it be plain old bad or will it be even worse. What will it all mean for Scotland. Your question is like me asking why didn't Labour nationalise the railway, steel works etc when they were in power because surely that's what their supporters wanted
    I think you would be in the minority then amongst the SNP core support. I bet a poll at the march would be massively in favour of IndyRef2 as soon as possible. What are the people marching for? It's for independence is it not? That will only be delivered via another referendum. I don't remember people marching to nationalise the steel works.

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    I'm a member of the SNP and I'm not desperate for a referendum just now, either, JBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    I think you would be in the minority then amongst the SNP core support. I bet a poll at the march would be massively in favour of IndyRef2 as soon as possible. What are the people marching for? It's for independence is it not? That will only be delivered via another referendum. I don't remember people marching to nationalise the steel works.
    I've been on the marches as well. I want an independent Scotland, always have always will, doesn't mean I think the time is right to have indyref2 right now. You'll be first to know when I decide the times right 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    I think you would be in the minority then amongst the SNP core support. I bet a poll at the march would be massively in favour of IndyRef2 as soon as possible. What are the people marching for? It's for independence is it not? That will only be delivered via another referendum. I don't remember people marching to nationalise the steel works.
    I think you are confusing the AUOB marches with SNP rallies. I know for a fact that not every one of the 16,000 on the march today are SNP supporters
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    Quote Originally Posted by weecounty hibby View Post
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    Jesus wept. I've seen you ask that question loads of times now and have just ignored it as I thought you were at it. How would you know there would be massive support for indyref2? I assume you have conducted a pill? I'm an SNP member and a committed independence supporter but I don't want a referendum at the moment. I personally would wait to see just how disastrous Brexit is first. Will it be plain old bad or will it be even worse. What will it all mean for Scotland. Your question is like me asking why didn't Labour nationalise the railway, steel works etc when they were in power because surely that's what their supporters wanted
    Technically speaking, Labour have nationalised the railways twice - once under Attlee and then again under Blair when Railtrack was brought under government control as Network Rail.

    They also nationalised steel works twice, once under Attlee and again under Wilson.

    UK steel production is around a tenth of what it was in the 70s. Thousands of jobs depend on it but not hundreds of thousands, the way it used to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I think you are confusing the AUOB marches with SNP rallies. I know for a fact that not every one of the 16,000 on the march today are SNP supporters
    Correct, thatís why itís called all under one banner. I for one am fully in support of Indy 2. Can anyone on here give me a viable option within the union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    Correct, that’s why it’s called all under one banner. I for one am fully in support of Indy 2. Can anyone on here give me a viable option within the union?
    I’ve supported independence for my entire adult life. I’d love to know how these rallies help to convince any no voters to change sides. It’s just more Yes supportes talking to ourselves. The obsession with waving flags is odd as well. Salmond was very careful to avoid grabbing the saltire as a nationalist symbol.
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    Iíve supported independence for my entire adult life. Iíd love to know how these rallies help to convince any no voters to change sides. Itís just more Yes supported talking to ourselves. The obsession with waving flags is odd as well. Salmond was very careful to avoid grabbing the saltire as a nationalist symbol.
    Good comment.

    I've asked this on here before, will ask it again.

    What rational case exists for nationalism in the 21st century?
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    I'm a member of the SNP and I'm not desperate for a referendum just now, either, JBC.
    Your'e leaders when soundly beaten in 2014 agreed it would be another 'generation' before pleading with the UK parliament for any future one. On that basis any second separatist ref wouldn't be considered until at least 2034.

    Get over it for goodness sake, No won!

    Vote Labour's Corbyn and Leonard and stop wasting your votes on a party that's on the way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Your'e leaders when soundly beaten in 2014 agreed it would be another 'generation' before pleading with the UK parliament for any future one. On that basis any second separatist ref wouldn't be considered until at least 2034.

    Get over it for goodness sake, No won!

    Vote Labour's Corbyn and Leonard and stop wasting your votes on a party that's on the way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Modfather View Post
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    Youíre back and have lost non of your copy and paste skills 😒
    You're right.

    If labour were ever to regain power in the Scottish Parliament their policies would most likely be copy and pasted policies from Westminster that don't necessarily fit Scotland's needs. It happened in the past, nothing to suggest it wouldn't be the same in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Iíve supported independence for my entire adult life. Iíd love to know how these rallies help to convince any no voters to change sides. Itís just more Yes supportes talking to ourselves. The obsession with waving flags is odd as well. Salmond was very careful to avoid grabbing the saltire as a nationalist symbol.
    I think the point is to keep the idea fresh in everyoneís mind. Itís not just the rallies, itís also the social media campaign that goes with it. Iíve seen plenty people saying theyíve moved from no to yes, mostly itís been due to the brexit shambles but itís important that the pressure is kept up. Regarding waving flags, it would be a pretty dull spectacle if the flags werenít there, I like the fact that the saltire has become the symbol for independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    Good comment.

    I've asked this on here before, will ask it again.

    What rational case exists for nationalism in the 21st century?
    The case exists because a large amount of people believe that our country would be better if it left a union that hasnít and isnít working in the best interest of the people of Scotland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I think the point is to keep the idea fresh in everyoneís mind. Itís not just the rallies, itís also the social media campaign that goes with it. Iíve seen plenty people saying theyíve moved from no to yes, mostly itís been due to the brexit shambles but itís important that the pressure is kept up. Regarding waving flags, it would be a pretty dull spectacle if the flags werenít there, I like the fact that the saltire has become the symbol for independence.
    I would add that these marches go through city centres which are bustling with shoppers and people stop to watch, photograph, film and cheer the marches as they go by. Engaging with those people helps keep the campaign in the public's mind.

    It is also noticable that, unlike Orange walks, the marches allow people to cross through them in a friendly manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I think the point is to keep the idea fresh in everyoneís mind. Itís not just the rallies, itís also the social media campaign that goes with it. Iíve seen plenty people saying theyíve moved from no to yes, mostly itís been due to the brexit shambles but itís important that the pressure is kept up. Regarding waving flags, it would be a pretty dull spectacle if the flags werenít there, I like the fact that the saltire has become the symbol for independence.

    Salmondís view was that the saltire is a symbol for all Scots regardless of their political views. I agree with that. Hijacking it as the symbol for one viewpoint seems at odds with claims that this is civic nationalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Salmondís view was that the saltire is a symbol for all Scots regardless of their political views. I agree with that. Hijacking it as the symbol for one viewpoint seems at odds with claims that this is civic nationalism.
    I agree with what you're saying.

    On the other side the Unionists had no issues waving Union Jacks during the last campaign.

    Whatever individuals like us think about flag waving it seems others on both sides have a different opinion!

    I think in some countries the use of national flags in politics is banned. Unless the same happens here we'll just have to get used it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Salmondís view was that the saltire is a symbol for all Scots regardless of their political views. I agree with that. Hijacking it as the symbol for one viewpoint seems at odds with claims that this is civic nationalism.
    Itís hardly hijacking the saltire. Itís our nations flag and weíre free to use it as our symbol. Thereís always a small unionist rally at these events and they all wave the union flag, I donít see that as them hijacking the union flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    The case exists because a large amount of people believe that our country would be better if it left a union that hasnít and isnít working in the best interest of the people of Scotland.
    You could also add that THAT particular union is going to remove us from another one, one that does work for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I would add that these marches go through city centres which are bustling with shoppers and people stop to watch, photograph, film and cheer the marches as they go by. Engaging with those people helps keep the campaign in the public's mind.

    It is also noticable that, unlike Orange walks, the marches allow people to cross through them in a friendly manner.
    Thereís definitely a friendly atmosphere at these events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    You could also add that THAT particular union is going to remove us from another one, one that does work for us.
    Absolutely. And itís doing so despite the fact that the majority of people in this country voted to remain in it.

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