EPL payments

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40125394


Chelsea were paid £150.8m by the Premier League after winning the 2016-17 title - 50% more than the top earners in 2015-16.

The 2016-17 season was the first of the latest TV deal and saw a total of almost £2.4bn paid to the 20 clubs - up from £1.6bn last season.


Bottom club Sunderland got £93.471m - more than the £93.219m 2015-16 winners Leicester pocketed the previous season.


astonishing amounts

[calumhibee1]

And to think that generally the standard of English football is still rank.

[Captain Trips]

And we keep hearing what the OF could do if down there. I haopen to think Hibs, Hearts Aberdeen etc might do alright getting 100m plus.

[NAE NOOKIE]

That payment to Sunderland spread around the 10 Scottish premiership clubs outwith the uglies would totally transform our game so far as infrastructure was concerned .... Or imagine what you could do to Hampden with 93 million quid ...... oh how the other half live

But once again it illustrates why comparisons between our game and what happens in the richest league in the world are utterly pointless .... It also makes it all the more incredible to think that most of the clubs in that league are in debt, big debt with some of them ... if their TV bubble ever bursts heaven help the lot of them.

[Waxy]

If the tv bubble bursts it wont matter. If there's money to be made from a large support then clubs are invincible.

[GreenLake]

They will not continue to rake in such ridiculous amounts of TV money and a crash is in the works.

[660]

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And to think that generally the standard of English football is still rank.

The comedy of it is that English clubs pay twice what anyone else would for the same player. No wonder they are absolutely honking in European competitions.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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If the tv bubble bursts it wont matter. If there's money to be made from a large support then clubs are invincible.

Dunno about that mate ........ the money these clubs make through the gates is negligible compared to the TV money. If Leicester City fill their 32,000 capacity gaff 19 times a season and charge an average of £40 per punter that makes them £24,500,000 ... compared to the amount of money the need to put a team on the park in that league 24 million is peanuts.

If the TV money dried up the sound of cloth cutting would reverberate around the football world ..... they would still be big clubs, but the players would soon find that £100,000 a week contracts would be a long forgotten dream. Even Man Utd with a 75,000 capacity at £40 a punter would still only make £57,000,000 for a 19 game home season ... about 2 thirds of what the paid for Paul Pogba.

[Hibbyradge]

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And to think that generally the standard of English football is still rank.

Rank? Really?

[Baader]

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And to think that generally the standard of English football is still rank.

Ridiculous amounts of money but so is the above.

[Diclonius]

Really looking forward to the day the whole thing crashes and they all suddenly find out what "living within your means" is.

[BigKev]

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Rank? Really?

Probably excitement wise it is. Couldn't tell you the lastEPL game that had me on the edge of my seat.

Even the "big" clashes are mind boringly dull.

Certainly the money paid by Sky and their charges to customers don't represent value for money IMO.

[Pete]

The world wants to see these matches hence the big bucks. They want to see them because of the historical importance of English teams and the way their culture has shaped the game around the world.

I'm not envious, I'm just annoyed that our game hasn't been marketed in the same way as our game is just as important in a historical context.

Imagine hibs and hearts were fortunate enough to have these silver spoons shoved in our mouths. You have one immigrant club who have battled adversity and spawned creativity since its inception and another who provided a battalion that fought and died in the Great War. If we were English right now we'd be fighting off billionaire investors with sticks and there would be people all over India, Australia and Sweden who simply have to share their soul with Edinburgh.

This isn't even considering the other Scottish clubs and their proud history. It's annoying to say the least as even our runaway champions are dwarved financially by the likes of Bournemouth and Watford.

[Bristolhibby]

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Probably excitement wise it is. Couldn't tell you the lastEPL game that had me on the edge of my seat.

Even the "big" clashes are mind boringly dull.

Certainly the money paid by Sky and their charges to customers don't represent value for money IMO.

Was at the Southampton v Stoke game a couple of weeks ago. Cracking, end to end game. Stoke fans were brilliant.

The pace was mind blowing.

It was a great game for the neutral.

J

[WhileTheChief..]

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The comedy of it is that English clubs pay twice what anyone else would for the same player. No wonder they are absolutely honking in European competitions.

Man Utd just won the Europa League so if English teams are honking what does that make the rest of Europe?!

[Hibbyradge]

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Probably excitement wise it is. Couldn't tell you the lastEPL game that had me on the edge of my seat.

Even the "big" clashes are mind boringly dull.

Certainly the money paid by Sky and their charges to customers don't represent value for money IMO.

I could count, on one hand, the number of games not involving Hibs or Scotland which have had me on the edge of my seat.

Are we saying that teams at World Cup finals are rank because the games are often less than exciting?

[hibsbollah]

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Man Utd just won the Europa League so if English teams are honking what does that make the rest of Europe?!

They had to get past Celta Vigo and Ajax to do it, teams with a fraction of Man Yoos massive budget. Winning any major trophy is a great achievement, but the point being made is that English teams punch well below their financial weight when compared with the big five continental clubs.

[surreyhibbie]

Sunderland get 93 million for coming last, plus gate receipts plus parachute payments....

how much did Celtc get for winning our top division?

madness..

[green&left]

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If the tv bubble bursts it wont matter. If there's money to be made from a large support then clubs are invincible.

Chelsea lost £70m last year, turned over £330 million with around £90m TV money. Take out the TV money and alot of English clubs would be donald ducked. Here's hoping.

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Man Utd just won the Europa League so if English teams are honking what does that make the rest of Europe?!

They're the richest club in the world TBF. Pogba cost Utd more than Ajax's entire turnover for the whole season.

[green&left]

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Sunderland get 93 million for coming last, plus gate receipts plus parachute payments....

how much did Celtc get for winning our top division?

madness..

Celtic got £2.8m last season for winning the league. Aberdeen just over £2m and Hertz £1.7m. Dundee Utd £950k. Figures from Grant Russell (STV) so should be legit.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Dunno about that mate ........ the money these clubs make through the gates is negligible compared to the TV money. If Leicester City fill their 32,000 capacity gaff 19 times a season and charge an average of £40 per punter that makes them £24,500,000 ... compared to the amount of money the need to put a team on the park in that league 24 million is peanuts.

If the TV money dried up the sound of cloth cutting would reverberate around the football world ..... they would still be big clubs, but the players would soon find that £100,000 a week contracts would be a long forgotten dream. Even Man Utd with a 75,000 capacity at £40 a punter would still only make £57,000,000 for a 19 game home season ... about 2 thirds of what the paid for Paul Pogba.

There is alse enormous disparity between gates.
I heard that arsenal make more from gate reciepts for 3 or 4 games than Sunderland do in a whole season.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Really looking forward to the day the whole thing crashes and they all suddenly find out what "living within your means" is.

They kind of are living within their means - their means are just enormous.

[Sioux]

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The world wants to see these matches hence the big bucks. They want to see them because of the historical importance of English teams and the way their culture has shaped the game around the world.

I'm not envious, I'm just annoyed that our game hasn't been marketed in the same way as our game is just as important in a historical context.

Imagine hibs and hearts were fortunate enough to have these silver spoons shoved in our mouths. You have one immigrant club who have battled adversity and spawned creativity since its inception and another who provided a battalion that fought and died in the Great War. If we were English right now we'd be fighting off billionaire investors with sticks and there would be people all over India, Australia and Sweden who simply have to share their soul with Edinburgh.

This isn't even considering the other Scottish clubs and their proud history. It's annoying to say the least as even our runaway champions are dwarved financially by the likes of Bournemouth and Watford.

I don't think millions of sky subscribers are paying subs for a history lesson! Sky can pay these stupid amounts because people like me pay over £100 a month to sky.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

The league is entertaining, of that there is no doubt. In terms of ACTUAL quality though, I'm not so sure. Technically, they are miles behind Spain/Germany imo.

Look at the recent performances in Europe (Champions League) and compare to other nations. Spain always have 3 teams reaching the quarter finals, Germany 2. If you add in Europa League then that figure would double. You could say "well man utd and Liverpool reached the final the last couple years" but that's only because they've failed in their attempts to qualify for the main event via league position so cling to that as a last hope. They're close to losing their 4th place because of how poorly their clubs are performing

I was a kid that grew up "supporting" an English club, Man Utd. I'll be honest though, the older i get the less i actually give a **** about them or their football manager type league. Bang average players moving for tens of millions of pounds. It disgusts me - that's maybe coming from a position of envy. We've got football clubs like West Brom/Watford/Bournemouth (all who have made excellent progress to reach the top flight) but genuinely believing they are bigger clubs than most up here. The potential Scotland has for an excellent product is scary but wont be given a chance, partly down to our own greediness mind you

[yonder1875]

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The league is entertaining, of that there is no doubt. In terms of ACTUAL quality though, I'm not so sure. Technically, they are miles behind Spain/Germany imo.

Look at the recent performances in Europe (Champions League) and compare to other nations. Spain always have 3 teams reaching the quarter finals, Germany 2. If you add in Europa League then that figure would double. You could say "well man utd and Liverpool reached the final the last couple years" but that's only because they've failed in their attempts to qualify for the main event via league position so cling to that as a last hope. They're close to losing their 4th place because of how poorly their clubs are performing

I was a kid that grew up "supporting" an English club, Man Utd. I'll be honest though, the older i get the less i actually give a **** about them or their football manager type league. Bang average players moving for tens of millions of pounds. It disgusts me - that's maybe coming from a position of envy. We've got football clubs like West Brom/Watford/Bournemouth (all who have made excellent progress to reach the top flight) but genuinely believing they are bigger clubs than most up here. The potential Scotland has for an excellent product is scary but wont be given a chance, partly down to our own greediness mind you

Decent post. However I do think there is some doubt in how entertaining it is, they amount of boring games I seen last season is as many as any other league. Sky sports and the British media have painted a false picture that has been getting gradually less entertaining since the mid noughties imo.

[high bee]

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I don't think millions of sky subscribers are paying subs for a history lesson! Sky can pay these stupid amounts because people like me pay over £100 a month to sky.

Are people really paying that? My internet and full package inc HD with Sky is £130 without discounts but I only pay £58 cause they give massive discounts when you are in the cancellation period.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Decent post. However I do think there is some doubt in how entertaining it is, they amount of boring games I seen last season is as many as any other league. Sky sports and the British media have painted a false picture that has been getting gradually less entertaining since the mid noughties imo.

Its not the british media that is driving this though. It is media across the world. Of course marketing has a lot to do with it, but so does big, full stadia, and quick football.

For new audiences in asia etc, fast more athletic style of english fitba is probably more accessible and entertaining than the slower more technical and less athletic football of Spain or maybe italy.

Spain also suffers from lack of impressive stadia and atmosphete at times.

But its swings and roundabouts, spain will always be limited because its league is skewed by having two versions of the harlem globetrotters, but italy will rise again eventually - for thosr of us of a certain age, italian fitba used to be untouchable, have all the big players and have small teams like Parma (read bournemouth etc) spending money top English teams could rarely match.

[where'stheslope]

If I remember correctly, the highest paid player in the EPL is Paul Pogba and also the dearest to buy, and he is not worth half of the money paid for or to him?

All that money makes them any less cheaters?

Its all down to what they think is the best League in the world, it may have most of the best players and some of the best stadia, but as for what is played on the park, if you turn down the sound and watch the game only, it not that much better than any Scottish game in play!

Its down to how the sound is portrayed and the commentator telling you how great a move is, if done right it ups the game ten fold but the game does not change!!!!

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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If I remember correctly, the highest paid player in the EPL is Paul Pogba and also the dearest to buy, and he is not worth half of the money paid for or to him?

All that money makes them any less cheaters?

Its all down to what they think is the best League in the world, it may have most of the best players and some of the best stadia, but as for what is played on the park, if you turn down the sound and watch the game only, it not that much better than any Scottish game in play!

Its down to how the sound is portrayed and the commentator telling you how great a move is, if done right it ups the game ten fold but the game does not change!!!!

Its clearly a lot better than most scottish games, because it has bettet players.

Even if what you say is true, so what? Atmosphere, setting smd crowd are a huge part of watching fitba, something scottish aithorities have never grasped.

When italian fitba was top, it was partly to do with the ultras, spectacle and atmosphere inside all those stadia that had been renovated for Italia 90.

[BigKev]

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I could count, on one hand, the number of games not involving Hibs or Scotland which have had me on the edge of my seat.

Are we saying that teams at World Cup finals are rank because the games are often less than exciting?

The World Cup games are free to view and there's no substantial rewards other than sporting achievement for the winners so not sure of the comparison?

Real v Barca games always have an edge to them as does Munich v Dortmund, the Milan derbies or either sides games v Juve. Generally far more entertainment on offer to that of the EPL.

My point is there's far more dross games in the so called best league in the world outweigh the entertaining.