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Hibs should try and get Porteous back out on loan in the league we have just left, don't think he is quite ready for the 1st team squad yet Scoops, see how he does in the Championship for the 1st half of the season and if he copes with that then bring him in to the squad in January.
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Thread: Steven Whittaker
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02-05-2017 02:39 PM #121
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02-05-2017 02:39 PM #122This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This year, defending hasn't been an issue so not sure where many faults can be found in our performances from that perspective
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02-05-2017 02:56 PM #123
Look I love David Gray as much as anyone and in his first season he head brilliant.
But it I feel in every season he is slowly getting as consistent and more prone to injuries and mistakes
Since 2012 whittikar has been playing and training consistent with Norwich in the prem and champ as well as Scotland.
with all due respect to Gray SW is better
although I would prefer Cammy Kerr from DundeeLast edited by Unseen work; 02-05-2017 at 02:56 PM. Reason: .
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02-05-2017 03:06 PM #124This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Take away that goal and Gray is just a decent full back, he should not be our captain, McGregor is the man for me. He has been here 3 years, it's not like he's like Stevenson or Hanlon who have given many years to the club, he's a nice humble bloke to talk to but if there is a chance to strengthen a position, we must look at it.
Whittaker has been playing at a higher level than Hibs for a few years now and has multiple international caps, yes he's 32 but a good solid pro, jeez everyone has been going on about how good Holt was last week and he's 35 now and most folk are wanting him to sign for another year.
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02-05-2017 03:09 PM #126
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02-05-2017 03:19 PM #127
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Like i stated at the start of my first post here.... I wonder how many actually watch the games.
Gray has had a reasonable season in defence, but his passing has been quite poor IMO and when he gets in to the final third he does the same thing time after time, either going to the byline and failing to get a decent cross in or trying a cross from the edge of the box and hitting the first defender.
On top of this I notice a hell of a lot when the play is going against us he never makes an angle for the CBs to play the ball to him or for the CMs to play anything to him, this is what i mean by hiding.
Don't get me wrong, when he is playing well he has great games but I just haven't seen many this year.
I would be interested to review every goal we have conceded this year to see how they were scored, I m not saying that many were fault of his but I am saying that the defence as a whole has had a great season, won us the league IMO, but I think Gray benefits form being part of the strong defence and not 'leading' by example.Last edited by BlackSheep; 02-05-2017 at 03:22 PM.
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02-05-2017 03:31 PM #128
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I'll take both.going to need a lot more depth to squad for the season coming up more and bigger league games plus an early start with the league cup.
Also neither gray nor whittaker are perfect because if they were they would be nowhere near easter road.
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02-05-2017 03:38 PM #129This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I feel that if we are spending time and money on a youth system we have to give the better ones a chance at some point or there is no point in having the set up.
Most people I have spoken to reckon he is going to be special.
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02-05-2017 03:38 PM #130
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Here goes my 10pence on this.
I think ( if we are interested in SW ) that he will bring different options to the playing field. How much help will he bring to the development of Hanlon and to Darren. I personally think SDG's best 2 games in our strip was the final and Bronby away. Totally outstanding both games captain's material 100%. However certain games he seems to be lacking that determination will and desire he had in those 2 games.
So my question would be. Does Lennon see a better option in SW than Sir David?
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02-05-2017 05:08 PM #131This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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02-05-2017 05:12 PM #132
Steven Whittaker is a decent player but lets not too carried away. He''s not been that regular in the Norwich team in his time there, he's played 80 league games in 5 seasons and played 17 league and cup games this season, hes 32 and obviously doesnt fit into any Norwich plan going forward. At this point in his career I honestly dont think he offers more than David Gray (granted they are obviously different types of fullback/wingback).
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02-05-2017 05:52 PM #133
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Anyone seen Whittaker play recently?
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02-05-2017 05:59 PM #134This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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02-05-2017 06:05 PM #135This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteNo Eternal Reward Shall Forgive Us Now For Wasting The Dawn
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02-05-2017 06:35 PM #138
It seems that the blind loyalty and nostalgia being bandied about in relation to SDG could also be the same nostalgia that has endeared so many folk to Whittaker, despite most not seeing him play in years.
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02-05-2017 06:38 PM #139This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
IF he stays then SDG starts as first choice RB and it's up to Whittaker to take the position off him.
If SDG expects never to have competition for his place then that's just not realistic.
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02-05-2017 06:39 PM #140This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Whittaker has played 12 league games this season in a piss poor Norwich team. He played 8 league games last season, in a Norwich team relegated. At 32, is he really a better option than Gray? He obviously hasn't been playing regularly and defending was never his strong point. If we are interested, I would hope he was coming as competition to Gray, not be an automatic pick. Gray deserves his chance in the Premier League. He was our first signing when relegated and has been part of the journey back, plus the cup last season. I know sentitment shouldn't matter if we can bring better in, I'm not too sure SW would be that much of an improvemet to be honest.
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02-05-2017 07:01 PM #144
How am I making up daft statements? They've won three games in the last month or two which has popped them up a few places, but they're only another couple of bad results from dropping back down to the bottom half. They have been abysmal for the squad they had dropping back into that league, resulting in their manager being sacked. Hardly made up statements.
Just realised they only have one game left lol but still been a poor season.
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02-05-2017 08:03 PM #145
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I do agree that's Gray had quite a good semi final performance but not brilliant when attacking again.
You seem to forget that Lennon favours attacking wing backs and has had to change this tactic to suit playing against teams that park the bus, IMHO due to the substandard delivery from all of our wide players.
I'm am merely stating that Grays position in the starting 11 should not be guaranteed by a few performances.
When Ambrose played RB when Gray was injured I thought the team felt better going forward from the wings.
New Full/Wing Backs on both flanks next season would be a breath of fresh air.
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02-05-2017 08:04 PM #146
For me, Steven Whittaker is a far better player than David Gray. I don't think it's even close.
However, I don't think that replacing Gray is a high priority and I also think he has been an excellent captain. Team spirit has scarcely been higher than it has been since he was given the armband at the start of last season.
I've no idea what SW's fitness is like just now and his age is a concern.
In other words I'm sitting on the fence on this.
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02-05-2017 08:17 PM #147
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02-05-2017 08:21 PM #149This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Whatever formation Lennon may have preferred with Celtic, I imagine it's not comparable with the reality of managing Hibs. Celtic would have the lion's share of the ball in nearly every game they play in the SPL. Being realistic , that's not going to apply at Hibs.
Again, I would say that a full backs job is to defend. Hibs prediliction for playing 4 central midfielders has been a bit of a hinderance these past three seasons. The fact that Boyle has done so well dueing the past months may be in part attributed to the fact that he is so ably supported by the guy behind him, less defending to do and decent interplay between the two.
I can see where you are coming from re: Ambrose. However, he is a bit of a cut above what we have in terms of being a defender with a lot of creativity in him. Him signing on would be a far bigger coup than Whittaker
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02-05-2017 08:31 PM #150
What about we go ****ing mental and have both of them. Playing in the prem next season will be more demanding physically and mentally and we will be playing against better players. We will need a strong squad and not just a strong first eleven. Why do people think we are only allowed one in one out? And while we're at it let's get Efe signed up too
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