Yogi

***.Sean.*** · 25-04-2017 09:40 AM

He's got a short short memory.

Woeful, headscratching signings for example the infamous 'goalie school' and baffling tactics week after week. He's lucky he even seen the end of that season as we were in complete and utter freefall and never even looked like making the top 4 atbne point. Most of us wanted him out after the Ross County replay

***J-C*** · 25-04-2017 09:40 AM

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Of course Lennon was backed. The main aim was to win promotion. The box was ticked a week and a half ago. Job done for everyone at the club. Why on earth would you spend more money than was necessary?

I would like to see what wages Graham, Humphrey and Holt are on plus the money we had to lay out to Celtic for Ambrose and Commons. Budgets can be either on wages, on transfers or both.

Lennon's problems have been and he's admitted it himself was the players he brought in haven't produced enough, we're talking Holt and Graham here, these 2 have been a massive let down in their goals return, yea ok Holt has had a few good games but we signed him as a scorer, that's why we've had to grind out so many draws to win the league.

**Andy74** · 25-04-2017 09:45 AM

He's done all right for a supposed buffoon. We'd take being 4th most years. I think given a bit of time to build the squad he would have added the type of players we needed when things were more of a battle.

That second half of the season we had some key injuries, the pitches were particularly bad and we ripped out the East stand. We just didn't have the players to adapt.

***jacomo*** · 25-04-2017 09:48 AM

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I would like to see what wages Graham, Humphrey and Holt are on plus the money we had to lay out to Celtic for Ambrose and Commons. Budgets can be either on wages, on transfers or both.

Lennon's problems have been and he's admitted it himself was the players he brought in haven't produced enough, we're talking Holt and Graham here, these 2 have been a massive let down in their goals return, yea ok Holt has had a few good games but we signed him as a scorer, that's why we've had to grind out so many draws to win the league.

We also gave new contracts to Jase, PH etc, with a full development squad too.

Next season we might finally see some real results from our investment in younger players. It's about time.

**~~Speedway~~** · 25-04-2017 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Andy74

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He's done all right for a supposed buffoon. We'd take being 4th most years. I think given a bit of time to build the squad he would have added the type of players we needed when things were more of a battle.

That second half of the season we had some key injuries, the pitches were particularly bad and we ripped out the East stand. We just didn't have the players to adapt.

I don't understand this. Why wasn't the manager prepared for 'key' injuries, poor pitches and players who could win a match without a small ramshackle stand on one side of the pitch? Didn't he have to deal with key injuries, even worse pitches and two stands missing in his previous job?

**Steve-O** · 25-04-2017 10:04 AM

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http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2017/0...form=hootsuite

He's not wrong.

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He is wrong. We went from possible title contenders to scraping fourth, and then started the next season horribly. He didn't leave us in fourth as he claims either I'm sure?

***jacomo*** · 25-04-2017 10:05 AM

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He is wrong. We went from possible title contenders to scraping fourth, and then started the next season horribly. He didn't leave us in fourth as he claims either I'm sure?

No of course he didn't.

Fine bit of revisionism by Yogi there.

***matty_f*** · 25-04-2017 10:34 AM

He also says we've not been in Europe for a long time. Since the start of the season, Yogi.

***J-C*** · 25-04-2017 10:35 AM

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We also gave new contracts to Jase, PH etc, with a full development squad too.

Next season we might finally see some real results from our investment in younger players. It's about time.

I'm hoping to see more of Martin and Crane and Lennon himself wanted to see Shaw in the team but couldn't due to his loan.

**Steve-O** · 25-04-2017 10:36 AM

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He also says we've not been in Europe for a long time. Since the start of the season, Yogi.

**Andy74** · 25-04-2017 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Speedway

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I don't understand this. Why wasn't the manager prepared for 'key' injuries, poor pitches and players who could win a match without a small ramshackle stand on one side of the pitch? Didn't he have to deal with key injuries, even worse pitches and two stands missing in his previous job?

Probably because you can't change everything in one season.

***jacomo*** · 25-04-2017 11:03 AM

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I'm hoping to see more of Martin and Crane and Lennon himself wanted to see Shaw in the team but couldn't due to his loan.

Yup, a bit of youthful exuberance could really make the difference next season!

**~~Speedway~~** · 25-04-2017 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Andy74

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Probably because you can't change everything in one season.

That's fair but presumably a manager of quality can halt a slide with a pre-season to regroup in, inbetween.

***silverhibee*** · 25-04-2017 11:29 AM

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Taking Deek off in the 6-6 game when he was playing a blinder was another tactical masterstroke I remember.

Even worse, Yogi blamed the strikers for losing the game.

And a 2 week fine for Deek for stating the obvious about the pitch, the players were not happy that Yogi didn't defend Deek for his comments about the pitch.

**Andy74** · 25-04-2017 12:22 PM

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That's fair but presumably a manager of quality can halt a slide with a pre-season to regroup in, inbetween.

Maybe until Rod tells him he gets to swap Stokes for Daryl Duffy!

***JimBHibees*** · 25-04-2017 12:28 PM

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Maybe until Rod tells him he gets to swap Stokes for Daryl Duffy!

He got Trakys as well though.

**green with envy** · 25-04-2017 12:31 PM

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Yogi is a ****ing buffoon.

The 6-6 game typified his time in charge; a great start but when the tactics needed changed he had no idea what to do.

And what pissed me off even more, if that was at all possible, was when he was caught on camera having a laugh with Craig Brown right after the final whistle. Could you imagine Lennon doing that.

**Ozyhibby** · 25-04-2017 12:42 PM

Stokes had two years left on his deal, there should have been no rush to sell for £800k.
Rod was penny pinching.

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***AgentDaleCooper*** · 25-04-2017 12:44 PM

we lost: stokes, benji, zemmama, bamba, makalambay, cregg, hogg, smith (keeper), mccormack, currie

we gained: de graaf, stephens, hart, dickoh, trakys, scott, thornhill, paslsson, sodje and latterly, half a vaz te.

great business

***overdrive*** · 25-04-2017 12:53 PM

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Stokes had two years left on his deal, there should have been no rush to sell for £800k.
Rod was penny pinching.

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Was it not for non-football and non-financial reasons that we sold him on the cheap?

***BroxburnHibee*** · 25-04-2017 01:19 PM

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Was it not for non-football and non-financial reasons that we sold him on the cheap?

That's what we were told. Didn't stop him coming back though.

***JimBHibees*** · 25-04-2017 02:01 PM

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Stokes had two years left on his deal, there should have been no rush to sell for £800k.
Rod was penny pinching.

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Think there was a release clause was there not.

***jacomo*** · 25-04-2017 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

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Think there was a release clause was there not.

I've asked about this on here before.

It was hinted that Stokes was a bad influence on the dressing room, but whatever the story it obviously didn't prevent him coming back on loan.

My best guess is that there was a clause in his contract allowing him to go if Celtc paid up. And they did.

**leither17** · 25-04-2017 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by green with envy

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And what pissed me off even more, if that was at all possible, was when he was caught on camera having a laugh with Craig Brown right after the final whistle. Could you imagine Lennon doing that.

Was talked about on off the ball on Saturday as well he was tapping on the team bus window to Tam Cowan laughing after the game too.

***Arch Stanton*** · 25-04-2017 03:32 PM

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At the start of his reign he brought in some very good players indeed - when we had Stokes, Miller and McBride playing we were often excellent. He's since done well at other clubs so I don't think it is his eye for a player that is the problem.

His last transfer window was as bad as we've had, up there with Fenlon's before the relegation season. Losing Stokes late in the window, signing Darryl Duffy on loan and panic buying Valdas Trakys after the window had closed?

I agree with what Yogi said in the article, I reckon he was Petried during that window (as was Pat).

To think that someone, somewhere thought getting rid of Yogi and appointing Colin Calderwood was the solution......

I guess you think RP should just have kept on bankrolling Yogi until the club hit the buffers?

Cutbacks were required by overly high wages to turnover ratio and not just penny pinching for no reason. Better cup runs by Yogi woud have given him more cash for players - it was just beyond him.

**HoboHarry** · 25-04-2017 03:34 PM

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Stokes had two years left on his deal, there should have been no rush to sell for £800k.
Rod was penny pinching.

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And you know for a fact there was no sell-on clause in there?

***JimBHibees*** · 25-04-2017 03:41 PM

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I've asked about this on here before.

It was hinted that Stokes was a bad influence on the dressing room, but whatever the story it obviously didn't prevent him coming back on loan.

My best guess is that there was a clause in his contract allowing him to go if Celtc paid up. And they did.

Would have been surprised if he left Sunderland to come to us unless there was an understanding of that nature.

**Onion** · 25-04-2017 04:00 PM

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I guess you think RP should just have kept on bankrolling Yogi until the club hit the buffers?

Cutbacks were required by overly high wages to turnover ratio and not just penny pinching for no reason. Better cup runs by Yogi woud have given him more cash for players - it was just beyond him.

For all Petrie's faults, he has a record of withholding funds from managers who subsequently prove themselves to be less than astute when spotting decent signing targets. In many cases, it didn't take long for the manager to be found out.

Like most businesses, it's up to the manager to convince the Board to release the funds to satisfy their vision. Red Lex, Mowbray, Stubbs were all well supported for good reason.

***Spike Mandela*** · 25-04-2017 04:07 PM

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No strikers away to Maribor. O'Connor and Riordan on the bench. Lost 3-0.

That's the one that annoyed me. Stokes and Riordan had between 40-50 goals between them the year before in securing European football yet he drops them to the bench and plays Colin Nish as lone front man in this 0-3 humping.

Baffling.