Ched Evans

[Moody Blues]

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This forum is all about opinions but I always believed from numerous people close to this case that Ched was innocent. I feel too many are still pointing a guilty finger at a guy that has been proved innocent. Would love to have Ged at Easter Road, just a young guy that caught up in a situation that has now been proved to be false. Best of luck Ged, sorry you will still have a lot of people doubting your innocence.

Good post. Let him get on with his life.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

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😂😂 it's not his mum surely, seen the video tho and there is a resemblance

No idea mate but she was trending on twitter earlier whilst the video was online. Everyone claiming that's who it was...

[Andy74]

So are we all pretending that as young men we wouldn't have been right up for a three way if chance arose?

[HoboHarry]

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So are we all pretending that as young men we wouldn't have been right up for a three way if chance arose?

Seems like people are reading things into this post that are a polar opposite of what I meant.

[Killiehibbie]

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Makes me laugh when I read the holier than thou posts. I'm the first to admit I sneaked out a few women's rooms in the early hours (long time ago of course) hoping to God I didn't wake them and allowing me a quiet retreat. Does that make me despicable also?

You better hope prospective employers don't find out.

[Pete]

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You better hope prospective employers don't find out.

Or twitter/the internet...


Could be popcorn time.

[HoboHarry]

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You better hope prospective employers don't find out.

From what I gather my employer was no different from me or anyone other young guy at that time and would have sh****d the whole in the ozone layer after a night out. That's a far cry from rape of course (which is obviously a despicable crime) but the player has been found not guilty and that's the important issue here.

[HoboHarry]

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   Or twitter/the internet...

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Could be popcorn time.

Why because young guys don't spend their time chasing women?

[Smartie]

The whole business is a mess and there can be no winners.

I know the law works on the basis that you are innocent until proven guilty. Evans was innocent. Then he was guilty. Now he's innocent again.

We're talking about a situation where only black or white can exist and this is a murky shade of grey.

I don't know if Evans is a rapist. I don't know if either he or the victim will even know for sure if he is.

He's guilty of (at best) some utterly reprehensible behaviour. Does that mean he should lose his livelihood? I don't know, probably not.

Who is protected if he does lose his livelihood? Is he a danger to other women? If he is treated "softly" does that send a signal out to other potential rapists?

As I say, all a mess and I don't know where I stand to be perfectly honest.

I don't know what Sheffield United can do to be right. Frankly, they're unlucky it landed on their doorstep and it could just as easily have been Hibs'. I think on balance I'd probably want Hibs to have nothing to do with him, to throw him to the wolves. But that wouldn't necessarily be the right thing to do.

Hmmmm.

[JDHibs]

Done his time for a crime he didnt commit. Always said he was innocent and his life was ruined because of a drunk women with regrets.

He was hounded out of Sheff Utd by sponsors, fans, petitions and celebs, poor lad just wanted to do his job!! Was treated shockingly in the press before his charges were reversed. Yet the women gets away scott free.

Fully deserves to move on with his career and not be continually reminded of something that he was found not guilty for.

Good luck to him and i truly hope he does well back at Sheff Utd as a slap in the face to all the people who doubted him.

[HoboHarry]

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The whole business is a mess and there can be no winners.

I know the law works on the basis that you are innocent until proven guilty. Evans was innocent. Then he was guilty. Now he's innocent again.

We're talking about a situation where only black or white can exist and this is a murky shade of grey.

I don't know if Evans is a rapist. I don't know if either he or the victim will even know for sure if he is.

He's guilty of (at best) some utterly reprehensible behaviour. Does that mean he should lose his livelihood? I don't know, probably not.

Who is protected if he does lose his livelihood? Is he a danger to other women? If he is treated "softly" does that send a signal out to other potential rapists?

As I say, all a mess and I don't know where I stand to be perfectly honest.

I don't know what Sheffield United can do to be right. Frankly, they're unlucky it landed on their doorstep and it could just as easily have been Hibs'. I think on balance I'd probably want Hibs to have nothing to do with him, to throw him to the wolves. But that wouldn't necessarily be the right thing to do.

Hmmmm.

You said it better than I tried and failed to do Smartie. We have all done stuff we regret albeit most of us stay within the law which it appears now that Evans did. Acting like an a**e isn't a reason to be deemed unemployable - if it did then a good number of footballers, politicians etc would be out of a job.....

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Worder how many of those moralising about an innocent man would welcome a certain convicted to racist back to Easter Road?

[JDHibs]

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Worder how many of those moralising about an innocent man would welcome a certain convicted to racist back to Easter Road?

Genuinely cant think who you mean?

But is he a convicted rapist? OR a convicted rapist whos conviction has been over turned and found innocent?

Thats the important bit.

[Pete]

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Why because young guys don't spend their time chasing women?

No, I just think this thread is going to get interesting.

[HoboHarry]

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No, I just think this thread is going to get interesting.

Ach probably not. One of these threads where people have their minds made up and it will just fritter out.....

[Killiehibbie]

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From what I gather my employer was no different from me or anyone other young guy at that time and would have sh****d the whole in the ozone layer after a night out. That's a far cry from rape of course (which is obviously a despicable crime) but the player has been found not guilty and that's the important issue here.

You, me, him and most guys I knew were much the same.

[neil7908]

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Thats not how the law works.

This isn't a court of law though. He maybe legally innocent but that doesn't mean he's actually innocent.

The law correctly has a 'beyond reasonable doubt' threshold which is necessary when judging on potentially life or death matters.

But the law is often wrong. OJ Simpson is legally innocent of killing his wife but do you think he's actually innocent? Donald Trump hasn't been convicted of any crimes but if he wanted to take over Hibs tomorrow I know how I'd feel!

Getting a bit off topic here but my main point is that we aren't in a court room and I couldn't care less what his legal decision was. I've heard enough of him to know I'd not want him anywhere near my club.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

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This isn't a court of law though. He maybe legally innocent but that doesn't mean he's actually innocent.

Yes, let's do away with all this justice nonsense & let you decide if someone is guilty!

Unbelievable.

[Speedy]

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Yes, let's do away with all this justice nonsense & let you decide if someone is guilty!

Unbelievable.

He's spot on though.

Legally it needs to be beyond reasonable doubt. In reality people will make a judgement on opinion and/or the balance of probability in their head.

[Andy74]

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He's spot on though.

Legally it needs to be beyond reasonable doubt. In reality people will make a judgement on opinion and/or the balance of probability in their head.

Yes but it means nothing other than in your own head. If you're fine enough with everything you've done in your life, caught or not, then crack on.

[Pete]

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He's spot on though.

Legally it needs to be beyond reasonable doubt. In reality people will make a judgement on opinion and/or the balance of probability in their head.

It's ironic that those who made a judgement of his guilt based on the balance of probability a few years ago were shouted down by those who pointed to the fact that he was guilty in the eyes of the law.

[snooky]

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So are we all pretending that as young men we wouldn't have been right up for a three way if chance arose?

You were lucky. When I were a lad, we could only dream of a two-way. For the ugly blokes, it was a one-way.

[Dalianwanda]

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You were lucky. When I were a lad, we could only dream of a two-way. For the ugly blokes, it was a one-way.

If i was good sometimes got a Milky Way...

[Speedy]

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Yes but it means nothing other than in your own head. If you're fine enough with everything you've done in your life, caught or not, then crack on.

Not really sure what you mean.

[Speedy]

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It's ironic that those who made a judgement of his guilt based on the balance of probability a few years ago were shouted down by those who pointed to the fact that he was guilty in the eyes of the law.

I was always of the view that he could well have done what he was accused of but there was a fair degree of reasonable doubt.

I was surprised he was ever convicted.

[Kavinho]

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The whole business is a mess and there can be no winners.

I know the law works on the basis that you are innocent until proven guilty. Evans was innocent. Then he was guilty. Now he's innocent again.

We're talking about a situation where only black or white can exist and this is a murky shade of grey.

I don't know if Evans is a rapist. I don't know if either he or the victim will even know for sure if he is.

He's guilty of (at best) some utterly reprehensible behaviour. Does that mean he should lose his livelihood? I don't know, probably not.

Who is protected if he does lose his livelihood? Is he a danger to other women? If he is treated "softly" does that send a signal out to other potential rapists?

As I say, all a mess and I don't know where I stand to be perfectly honest.

I don't know what Sheffield United can do to be right. Frankly, they're unlucky it landed on their doorstep and it could just as easily have been Hibs'. I think on balance I'd probably want Hibs to have nothing to do with him, to throw him to the wolves. But that wouldn't necessarily be the right thing to do.

Hmmmm.

Wolves?

I know we grudged paying them 150k but that's no reason to foist Evans on them!
Hardly their fault..!

[ColinNish]

I was always a bit dubious of his original conviction, purely because his mate got found not guilty. Which was basically saying she was sober enough to consent to the mate but not sober enough to consent to Ched Evans later on in the night and not having consumed any more drinks. How does that work?

[Nakedmanoncrack]

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He's spot on though.

Legally it needs to be beyond reasonable doubt. In reality people will make a judgement on opinion and/or the balance of probability in their head.

It's called prejudice, those who have heard the evidence are the ones best able to reach judgement- not those who've heard snippets in tabloid media, or simply made their minds up because they do, or don't like someone.

[Speedy]

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It's called prejudice, those who have heard the evidence are the ones best able to reach judgement- not those who've heard snippets in tabloid media, or simply made their minds up because they do, or don't like someone.

I know what you're saying but you seem to be missing the point. It's impossible for juries to get everything right.

As an example, say you are punched in the street with no cameras or witnesses. It becomes your word against your attacker's. Quite feasible that your attacked is not found guilty but that doesn't make him innocent.

[Killiehibbie]

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I know what you're saying but you seem to be missing the point. It's impossible for juries to get everything right.

As an example, say you are punched in the street with no cameras or witnesses. It becomes your word against your attacker's. Quite feasible that your attacked is not found guilty but that doesn't make him innocent.

More likely the police tell you they can't charge him.