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    I long for the time cyclists have to abide by the same guidance. How often do cyclists overtake and indeed undertake at traffic lights when there isn't the space car drivers are supposed to give them.

    It also annoys me a bit on Leith Walk where the car hating council spent 7m making the street pedestrian and cycle friendly with nice wide pavements and wider than normal cycle lanes. Cyclists still use the @#%&- pavements.

    I think I'll start videoing them and putting it on Facebook!

    On the flip side, how often do drivers intentionally block feeder lanes into advanced stop boxes, or stop in the advanced stop box itself? These boxes are there for a reason, but some drivers appear completely oblivious (or they don't care that they are risking cyclist's lives) to the fact that they shouldn't be stopping in them.

    As for the cycle lanes on Leith Walk, are these on the pavement? The reason I ask is there are cycle lanes on the pavement, through Leith Links, which are often blocked by pedestrians. The only way to pass them is to cycle on the section designated for walking.

    I know there's cyclists that are a pain in the hole - but so are some drivers and pedestrians!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Grieves View Post
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    On the flip side, how often do drivers intentionally block feeder lanes into advanced stop boxes, or stop in the advanced stop box itself? These boxes are there for a reason, but some drivers appear completely oblivious (or they don't care that they are risking cyclist's lives) to the fact that they shouldn't be stopping in them.

    As for the cycle lanes on Leith Walk, are these on the pavement? The reason I ask is there are cycle lanes on the pavement, through Leith Links, which are often blocked by pedestrians. The only way to pass them is to cycle on the section designated for walking.

    I know there's cyclists that are a pain in the hole - but so are some drivers and pedestrians!
    I agree with your first point.

    No, the cycle lanes are on the road.

    There's no plausible excuse for cycling on the pavements, not that there is one for any pavement. Leith Walk is now a slow road, 20 mph aside, there are so many zebra crossings and pelican crossings it's hardly feasible to go much faster. Also drivers seem to be avoiding the road, it's really quiet in comparison with not so long ago.
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    I agree with your first point.

    No, the cycle lanes are on the road.

    There's no plausible excuse for cycling on the pavements, not that there is one for any pavement. Leith Walk is now a slow road, 20 mph aside, there are so many zebra crossings and pelican crossings it's hardly feasible to go much faster. Also drivers seem to be avoiding the road, it's really quiet in comparison with not so long ago.
    Their feasible reason for riding on pavements is because roads are too dangerous. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    No, the cycle lanes are on the road.
    I'm fairly sure there are cycle lanes built in to the pavements on some parts of Leith Walk. There's certainly one around Shrubhill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    I long for the time cyclists have to abide by the same guidance. How often do cyclists overtake and indeed undertake at traffic lights when there isn't the space car drivers are supposed to give them.
    Although it might seem perverse, I'm unsure if the separation guidance does work both ways. A cyclist close passing a stationary car does not pose the same risk to the driver as a car passing close to a bike does to a cyclist.
    I'm quite happy for cyclists to filter past at junctions, what does unnerve me is when cyclists can swarm around vehicles. It happens in London a lot, most of the time it's unsafe for the driver to move on the green light so the safest option is to wait, that usually just invites more cyclists to pass on both your left and right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales View Post
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    Although it might seem perverse, I'm unsure if the separation guidance does work both ways. A cyclist close passing a stationary car does not pose the same risk to the driver as a car passing close to a bike does to a cyclist.
    I'm quite happy for cyclists to filter past at junctions, what does unnerve me is when cyclists can swarm around vehicles. It happens in London a lot, most of the time it's unsafe for the driver to move on the green light so the safest option is to wait, that usually just invites more cyclists to pass on both your left and right.
    Not to mention the potential of scratching the car's bodywork with their pedals and handlebars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales View Post
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    Although it might seem perverse, I'm unsure if the separation guidance does work both ways. A cyclist close passing a stationary car does not pose the same risk to the driver as a car passing close to a bike does to a cyclist.
    I'm quite happy for cyclists to filter past at junctions, what does unnerve me is when cyclists can swarm around vehicles. It happens in London a lot, most of the time it's unsafe for the driver to move on the green light so the safest option is to wait, that usually just invites more cyclists to pass on both your left and right.
    The separation guidance is supposed to protect the cyclist in both circumstances . I always stay at least a car door's length away when I'm passing them. That pisses off some other drivers, but my safety has to come first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales View Post
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    Although it might seem perverse, I'm unsure if the separation guidance does work both ways. A cyclist close passing a stationary car does not pose the same risk to the driver as a car passing close to a bike does to a cyclist.
    I'm quite happy for cyclists to filter past at junctions, what does unnerve me is when cyclists can swarm around vehicles. It happens in London a lot, most of the time it's unsafe for the driver to move on the green light so the safest option is to wait, that usually just invites more cyclists to pass on both your left and right.
    London cyclists are just mental...it's the power of the group for sure but wow it's a different world down there and makes the individual nonsense you see in Edinburgh pale into insignificance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    I agree with your first point.

    No, the cycle lanes are on the road.

    There's no plausible excuse for cycling on the pavements, not that there is one for any pavement. Leith Walk is now a slow road, 20 mph aside, there are so many zebra crossings and pelican crossings it's hardly feasible to go much faster. Also drivers seem to be avoiding the road, it's really quiet in comparison with not so long ago.
    Adult cyclists should not be cycling on pavements designed for pedestrians only. I guess the point I'm trying to make is everybody(cyclists, drivers and pedestrians) could do with being a bit more respectful towards other road/path users.

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    https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/st...30362405437441

    Pretty shocking video, the comments after are even worse! Man in a van attempts to seriously hurt a cyclist, but folk are more interested in discussing if the cyclist deserved it.

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