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    EU Roaming charges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Time For Heroes View Post
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    I doubt this will come into play soon enough for my next trip so I expect the usual reaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLake View Post
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    I doubt this will come into play soon enough for my next trip so I expect the usual reaming.
    Comes in on June 15th IIRC, some companies have already done it and others due to introduce it before the deadline.
    Space to let

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    Comes in on June 15th IIRC, some companies have already done it and others due to introduce it before the deadline.
    Unfortunately the UK might only get 2 years max out of it due to brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    Unfortunately the UK might only get 2 years max out of it due to brexit.
    Maybe, although once implemented the mobile companies would then have to decide to reinstate roaming charges after brexit, and it would just take one to break ranks for no roaming charges to continue. If they all reinstated charges at the same time they could then eave themselves open to accusations and sanctions for price-fixing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibs Class View Post
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    Maybe, although once implemented the mobile companies would then have to decide to reinstate roaming charges after brexit, and it would just take one to break ranks for no roaming charges to continue. If they all reinstated charges at the same time they could then eave themselves open to accusations and sanctions for price-fixing.
    The reason roaming charges were originally in place was due to the costs of network interconnects and info transfer, as those costs became negligible the EU pushed for an end to the extra costs to End Users hence the current position, remembering also that taxation was simply based on "home location" of the service provider.

    Post Brexit the taxation element is going to be up in the air, its difficult to imagine that there would be no taxation implications that could then have a knock on effect on end user costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Alf View Post
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    The reason roaming charges were originally in place was due to the costs of network interconnects and info transfer, as those costs became negligible the EU pushed for an end to the extra costs to End Users hence the current position, remembering also that taxation was simply based on "home location" of the service provider.

    Post Brexit the taxation element is going to be up in the air, its difficult to imagine that there would be no taxation implications that could then have a knock on effect on end user costs.
    Vat on services is based on where the supply takes place. Thats what happens at the moment. For UK customers, the service takes place in the UK, notwithstanding that the user might be elsewhere.

    I'm not sure that, post Brexit, the VAT situation will.be any different to what it is just now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Vat on services is based on where the supply takes place. Thats what happens at the moment. For UK customers, the service takes place in the UK, notwithstanding that the user might be elsewhere.

    I'm not sure that, post Brexit, the VAT situation will.be any different to what it is just now.



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    That's a better way to put it

    Post Brexit will that still be the case though, at the very least they'd have to at least agree to keep it the same? I just can't see this one area being totally ignored.

    Maybe I should add (I was trying. Keep things simple) there's also an interconnect cost that the providers will be taxed on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Alf View Post
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    That's a better way to put it

    Post Brexit will that still be the case though, at the very least they'd have to at least agree to keep it the same? I just can't see this one area being totally ignored.

    Maybe I should add (I was trying. Keep things simple) there's also an interconnect cost that the providers will be taxed on

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    UK VAT laws are set by UK Government, so I don't see that there would be a change.

    On the interconnect charges, again if the service is supplied in the UK...eg from the UK to a foreign company, it's liable to UK VAT. And vice versa.

    That all.said, VAT is the most complicated of all our taxes....and overseas trade particularly difficult. So I agree that there may be some changes ahead. However, IMO those will be under the control of the UK Government .


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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    UK VAT laws are set by UK Government, so I don't see that there would be a change.

    On the interconnect charges, again if the service is supplied in the UK...eg from the UK to a foreign company, it's liable to UK VAT. And vice versa.

    That all.said, VAT is the most complicated of all our taxes....and overseas trade particularly difficult. So I agree that there may be some changes ahead. However, IMO those will be under the control of the UK Government .


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    interesting times then! .... I wonder what other areas wont be significantly impacted with the change in trading relationships that Brexit brings, maybe those that claim there's only an upside may be closer to the truth after all! (fingers crossed)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Alf View Post
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    That's a better way to put it

    Post Brexit will that still be the case though, at the very least they'd have to at least agree to keep it the same? I just can't see this one area being totally ignored.

    Maybe I should add (I was trying. Keep things simple) there's also an interconnect cost that the providers will be taxed on

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    The new regulations are EU regulations. Once we're out there's nothing to stop EU providers bumping up the charges for UK users when abroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    The new regulations are EU regulations. Once we're out there's nothing to stop EU providers bumping up the charges for UK users when abroad.
    Or you are hoping that they will bump up their charges for UK Customers :)

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    I'm not sure how this fits in to countries legislation but the no roaming charges extend to more than the EU countries and it depends on who you're with as to how many and which countries are included.

    Three, 3, I think were the first to introduce this and it covers 42 countries

    The Feel At Home destinations.

    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Channel Islands
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Gibraltar
    Greece
    Hong Kong
    Hungary
    Iceland
    Indonesia
    Isle of Man
    Israel
    Italy
    Latvia
    Liechtenstein
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Macau
    Malta
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    Poland
    Portugal
    Republic of Ireland
    Romania
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Sri Lanka
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    United States

    I'm sorely tempted to change and try them all out 🚢

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    I'm not sure how this fits in to countries legislation but the no roaming charges extend to more than the EU countries and it depends on who you're with as to how many and which countries are included.

    Three, 3, I think were the first to introduce this and it covers 42 countries

    The Feel At Home destinations.

    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Channel Islands
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Gibraltar
    Greece
    Hong Kong
    Hungary
    Iceland
    Indonesia
    Isle of Man
    Israel
    Italy
    Latvia
    Liechtenstein
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Macau
    Malta
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    Poland
    Portugal
    Republic of Ireland
    Romania
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Sri Lanka
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    United States

    I'm sorely tempted to change and try them all out 🚢
    A cunning plan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    I'm not sure how this fits in to countries legislation but the no roaming charges extend to more than the EU countries and it depends on who you're with as to how many and which countries are included.

    Three, 3, I think were the first to introduce this and it covers 42 countries

    The Feel At Home destinations.

    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Channel Islands
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Gibraltar
    Greece
    Hong Kong
    Hungary
    Iceland
    Indonesia
    Isle of Man
    Israel
    Italy
    Latvia
    Liechtenstein
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Macau
    Malta
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    Poland
    Portugal
    Republic of Ireland
    Romania
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Sri Lanka
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    United States

    I'm sorely tempted to change and try them all out 🚢

    Three have had this for a good number of years now. I must have saved a quite a few bob over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    I'm not sure how this fits in to countries legislation but the no roaming charges extend to more than the EU countries and it depends on who you're with as to how many and which countries are included.

    Three, 3, I think were the first to introduce this and it covers 42 countries

    The Feel At Home destinations.

    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Channel Islands
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Gibraltar
    Greece
    Hong Kong
    Hungary
    Iceland
    Indonesia
    Isle of Man
    Israel
    Italy
    Latvia
    Liechtenstein
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Macau
    Malta
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    Poland
    Portugal
    Republic of Ireland
    Romania
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Sri Lanka
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    United States

    I'm sorely tempted to change and try them all out 🚢
    I suppose a lot will depend on the company you're with. If they have partnerships with network providers abroad then they will probably have agreements in place that allow each others customers to use their networks free of charge. If your provider has to pay a foreign provider to let you use that network, then chances are you will be billed for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Or you are hoping that they will bump up their charges for UK Customers :)
    What makes you think that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I suppose a lot will depend on the company you're with. If they have partnerships with network providers abroad then they will probably have agreements in place that allow each others customers to use their networks free of charge. If your provider has to pay a foreign provider to let you use that network, then chances are you will be billed for it.
    That nips ma heid when I'm abroad. Vodafone, as an example, trade in most countries but users are/were still charged as though they were completely independent of each other.
    Space to let

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    I don't know about other companies but Vodafone do seem to act like independent companies in each country.
    I had a phone contect with them for 3 years whilst living in Oz, come back to the Uk and wanted to get a Uk contract, I was declined by Vodafone because I had been out of the country for 3 years. When I explained that i'd been with them for 8 years in total they weren't bothered, they had no way to trace my account etc etc
    Wouldn't use them again, utterly bizarre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    That nips ma heid when I'm abroad. Vodafone, as an example, trade in most countries but users are/were still charged as though they were completely independent of each other.
    I'm actually a German Vodafone customer. I pay 3 extra a month to extend my flatrate contract to all EU countries and a few others including the USA and Australia. I'm sure it probably doesn't cost them a penny but it's a service I make good use of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    That nips ma heid when I'm abroad. Vodafone, as an example, trade in most countries but users are/were still charged as though they were completely independent of each other.
    I have iPhone with Verizon and Samsung Galaxy with ATT and both companies have been doing a tag team on me when traveling.

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    If anyone is thinking about switching to 3 for the feel at home feature, you should know that you don't get free LTE roaming. In most places you get data at 3G speeds, which is fine. But there are some places, like when connected to 3 Macau's network, where you only get super slow 2G data which is barely usable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYHibby View Post
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    If anyone is thinking about switching to 3 for the feel at home feature, you should know that you don't get free LTE roaming. In most places you get data at 3G speeds, which is fine. But there are some places, like when connected to 3 Macau's network, where you only get super slow 2G data which is barely usable.
    I had 4G when using it in NYC.

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