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    The monarchy

    Yes or no?


    Personally I think its an outdated nonsence that we have these unelected people that have the highest stake in society for no reason other than the fact they were lucky enough to be born into it.
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    Whilst the Queen's alive then no but after she dies I'm not particularly bothered.

    It is very outdated but there's very little call for the monarchy to be scrapped and it still enjoys high approval ratings across the country.
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    I can't square Monarchy with Democracy.

    Everyone must be equal under law. One person one vote.

    Yet here we have a system where one person by chance of birth is anointed above everyone else. It is her (or his) Parliament, Armed Forces and Judicary. Nonsense.

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    Republic asap

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    Abolition after the death of the queen, IMO. Also, if the second independence referendum delivers a yes vote, Scotland should not retain the monarchy. Keeping it would be nonsense.
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    Why would some who want to abolish the monarchy wait until after the current Queen passes? Genuinely intrigued rather than trying to be arsey.

    Assume it's because she's been the queen so long, and it's not her fault she was born, so deserves to see out however long is left. If so, can understand that. However, and I'm sure she is a nice old lady, but I'd have no issues with scrapping the monarchy tomorrow if it was possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Said Frank View Post
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    Why would some who want to abolish the monarchy wait until after the current Queen passes? Genuinely intrigued rather than trying to be arsey.

    Assume it's because she's been the queen so long, and it's not her fault she was born, so deserves to see out however long is left. If so, can understand that. However, and I'm sure she is a nice old lady, but I'd have no issues with scrapping the monarchy tomorrow if it was possible.
    Me too, but isn't going to happen. The old girl is in her nineties; let her see out her time then have the debate. House of Lords needs to go, too.
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    A load of medieval nonsense that should have been binned decades ago .... Kings, Queens and princes belong in history books, Disney films and fairy tales, where they don't belong is unelected head of state.

    The very concept that someone is due position, public office, respect or deference because of who they were born is a nonsense.

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    Ah the great Royal debate.

    Do we hang them or do we shoot them? Hmm


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    Outdated nonsense but inexplicably popular so it's going nowhere.
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    Me too, but isn't going to happen. The old girl is in her nineties; let her see out her time then have the debate. House of Lords needs to go, too.
    When she dies there'll be national mourning which will increase the popularity and we'll have next to no chance of getting rid of them.

    Do it now - she'll have enough money to retire on I'm sure.

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    Outdated nonsense but inexplicably popular so it's going nowhere.
    The monarchy generates vast sums for the nation (about half a billion pounds every year) through tourism. Outdated for sure, but people love the colour and pageantry it brings and for me we're better off with it than without it. The royals have close ties to Scotland and remain very popular here, which is why even the odious Alex Salmond was keen to make retaining the monarchy part of his failed 2014 referendum agenda.

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    Yes GSTQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    The monarchy generates vast sums for the nation (about half a billion pounds every year) through tourism. Outdated for sure, but people love the colour and pageantry it brings and for me we're better off with it than without it. The royals have close ties to Scotland and remain very popular here, which is why even the odious Alex Salmond was keen to make retaining the monarchy part of his failed 2014 referendum agenda.
    Tourists come and will come regardless of a monarchy. That's such an old Trope.

    Versailles looks pretty busy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    The monarchy generates vast sums for the nation (about half a billion pounds every year) through tourism. Outdated for sure, but people love the colour and pageantry it brings and for me we're better off with it than without it. The royals have close ties to Scotland and remain very popular here, which is why even the odious Alex Salmond was keen to make retaining the monarchy part of his failed 2014 referendum agenda.
    Do you believe that the money generated through tourism (and it's not half a billion) would just disappear if we got rid of the monarchy?

    "Well we were going to vacation in the U.K, but I just don't see any reason to now. I'd been looking forward to meeting the Queen, but with the royal family being abolished, I think I'll just go to Disneyland instead."

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    Ah the great Royal debate.

    Do we hang them or do we shoot them? Hmm
    Both.

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    On a day our First Minister suggests Westminster is out of touch with Scotland, Boris Johnson supports a big shiny boat for the queen.

    Time to get rid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    Do you believe that the money generated through tourism (and it's not half a billion) would just disappear if we got rid of the monarchy?

    "Well we were going to vacation in the U.K, but I just don't see any reason to now. I'd been looking forward to meeting the Queen, but with the royal family being abolished, I think I'll just go to Disneyland instead."
    Ha - very true. If the best folks can come up with is that the Battenburgs are a tourist attraction, I'm not sure that's strong enough to argue for their constitutional position.

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    I think we should have a referendum :-D

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    We'd need to elect a Labour government first . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    The monarchy generates vast sums for the nation (about half a billion pounds every year) through tourism. Outdated for sure, but people love the colour and pageantry it brings and for me we're better off with it than without it. The royals have close ties to Scotland and remain very popular here, which is why even the odious Alex Salmond was keen to make retaining the monarchy part of his failed 2014 referendum agenda.
    That's because they and their friends own most of Scotland. And I think you'll find they're not "hugely popular" outside Ayrshire and Govan.

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    if independence does happen , why would we keep the monarchy ? surely if we did we would still need to pay our taxes to the queen .

    if we ditch the monarchy would we be allowed to drive through holyrood on a sunday , and drive commercial vehicles through the park ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli1875 View Post
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    if independence does happen , why would we keep the monarchy ? surely if we did we would still need to pay our taxes to the queen .

    if we ditch the monarchy would we be allowed to drive through holyrood on a sunday , and drive commercial vehicles through the park ?
    Like Hibs promotion run, let's fight one fight at a time.

    Independence first, then we can vote to become a republic.
    We already don't have the baggage of the House of Lords (a subset of Monarchy and another affront to democracy) in Holyrood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli1875 View Post
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    if independence does happen , why would we keep the monarchy ? surely if we did we would still need to pay our taxes to the queen .

    if we ditch the monarchy would we be allowed to drive through holyrood on a sunday , and drive commercial vehicles through the park ?
    I do want rid of them, but to be honest, thats not a big incentive to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli1875 View Post
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    if independence does happen , why would we keep the monarchy ? surely if we did we would still need to pay our taxes to the queen .

    if we ditch the monarchy would we be allowed to drive through holyrood on a sunday , and drive commercial vehicles through the park ?
    Do the Aussies pay taxes to Liz? Surely we could keep her as a figurehead and charge her council tax on the her vast estates in Scotland.

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    Do you believe that the money generated through tourism (and it's not half a billion) would just disappear if we got rid of the monarchy?

    "Well we were going to vacation in the U.K, but I just don't see any reason to now. I'd been looking forward to meeting the Queen, but with the royal family being abolished, I think I'll just go to Disneyland instead."
    The British tourism agency has reported that the royal family generates close to 500 million pounds, or about $767 million, every year in tourism revenue, drawing visitors to historic royal sites like the Tower of London, Windsor Castle, and Buckingham Palace.23 Jul 2013

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    I would get rid of the Monarchy. Their friendship with Jimmy Savile spoke volumes on how they operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    The British tourism agency has reported that the royal family generates close to 500 million pounds, or about $767 million, every year in tourism revenue, drawing visitors to historic royal sites like the Tower of London, Windsor Castle, and Buckingham Palace.23 Jul 2013
    I maybe didn't word it right. My point being, that people would go to these places whether we had a Royal Family or not, so they don't generate anything near that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    The British tourism agency has reported that the royal family generates close to 500 million pounds, or about $767 million, every year in tourism revenue, drawing visitors to historic royal sites like the Tower of London, Windsor Castle, and Buckingham Palace.23 Jul 2013
    If we abolished the Monarchy would we get rid of these tourist attractions? I am not sure the bulldozers would be at the gates of the Tower of London, Windsor Castle, and Buckingham Palace if we did. I imagine Buckingham Palace would generate even more revenue if we evicted Lizzie and opened it up to the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    The British tourism agency has reported that the royal family generates close to 500 million pounds, or about $767 million, every year in tourism revenue, drawing visitors to historic royal sites like the Tower of London, Windsor Castle, and Buckingham Palace.23 Jul 2013
    Is that gross or net of taxpayers contributions?

    As an aside, I heard on the radio this morning that the taxpayer is paying 500,000,000 per annum to David Cameron's National Citizen Service making it the most expensive youth club in Britain.

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