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    So there's dubiety over the ownership?

    Simple solution, ask the Land owner (councillors dad) is it your wall?

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    In the case of the 2nd option the land owner could always get a brand new wall built if they would prefer some privacy


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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    It seems Willie Young's register of interest includes the Orchard, on Prospect Terrace, adjacent to Wellington Brae. Maybe nothing in it though.

    https://t.co/cPsEG0r7hj
    It seems he may now be an ex-Councillor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    It seems he may now be an ex-Councillor.
    Saw that.

    Well done the Dandies.

    He can pay for his wall himself now.

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    Slightly concerning...

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.sco...-1-4443814/amp

    RBS saying it will consider moving its HQ to england if there is a second indyref.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Slightly concerning...

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.sco...-1-4443814/amp

    RBS saying it will consider moving its HQ to england if there is a second indyref.
    They wont be the only one. 95% of sales for the company I work for sells to businesses throughout England, they will move our HQ to England it would be no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Slightly concerning...

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.sco...-1-4443814/amp

    RBS saying it will consider moving its HQ to england if there is a second indyref.
    They said this last time around as well, they did also follow it up with a bit more detail in that it would be a "boiler plate" move only with very little, if any impact on the workforce.

    The really big question about it all is that if Scotland was independent what would it's trading relationship be with the EU compared with similar for the former UK countries and how would the various multinationals decide to set themselves up as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Slightly concerning...

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.sco...-1-4443814/amp

    RBS saying it will consider moving its HQ to england if there is a second indyref.
    It's my bank and a pretty crap one these days. They're closing branches by the day so in the long term who cares where their HQ ends up.
    Sir HA? Probably another political puppet throwing his tacky hat in the ring.
    Surprised the Scotsman reporting this - they are usually so pro indy

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    They wont be the only one. 95% of sales for the company I work for sells to businesses throughout England, they will move our HQ to England it would be no brainer.
    Why would it be a no-brainer?

    If they are happy with the commercial set-up here, wouldn't they be better-served by waiting to see what the relative tax rates would be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snooky View Post
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    It's my bank and a pretty crap one these days. They're closing branches by the day so in the long term who cares where their HQ ends up.
    Sir HA? Probably another political puppet throwing his tacky hat in the ring.
    Surprised the Scotsman reporting this - they are usually so pro indy
    The scotsman has actually altered its editorial stance recently. It is now taking a fact based, non-aligned position and it has committed to not supporting any parties.

    A welcome development i would suggest.

    But yeah, who cares about one of our largest employers eh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Why would it be a no-brainer?

    If they are happy with the commercial set-up here, wouldn't they be better-served by waiting to see what the relative tax rates would be?
    Why have your HQ working in EUROS when all your business deal in 's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Why have your HQ working in EUROS when all your business deal in 's?
    Id habe thought the problem would be tarrifs, that indy scotland in the EU would habe to impose on rUK if outside, assuming no free trade deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Why have your HQ working in EUROS when all your business deal in 's?
    Fopr one thing, we don't know what currency Scotland would have.

    In any event, I can't see why the currency thing would be that big an issue. Our whisky industry seems to do pretty well dealing in all sorts of currencies.

    If the company thinks that the charges inherent in dealing with different currencies outweigh the costs involved in moving operations (including the tax issue), so be it. But why make that decision without knowing all of the facts first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Id habe thought the problem would be tarrifs, that indy scotland in the EU would habe to impose on rUK if outside, assuming no free trade deal?
    Aye that as well, why pay tariffs for cross boarder trade when it would be cheaper to move the HQ - your right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Fopr one thing, we don't know what currency Scotland would have.

    In any event, I can't see why the currency thing would be that big an issue. Our whisky industry seems to do pretty well dealing in all sorts of currencies.

    If the company thinks that the charges inherent in dealing with different currencies outweigh the costs involved in moving operations (including the tax issue), so be it. But why make that decision without knowing all of the facts first?
    What about tarrifs on the trade between nations? If it's more expensive then it's a no brainer to move HQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    What about tarrifs on the trade between nations? If it's more expensive then it's a no brainer to move HQ
    The big word is "IF", which you didn't use before.

    We don't know what tariffs would be. We don't know what the tax rates would be.

    Your company doesn't know what its moving costs would be (new premises, redundancies etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Why have your HQ working in EUROS when all your business deal in 's?
    Alternatively, why have your bank HQ in separatist England, when much of your business is done in Europe. Specially if May is unable to swing a deal for the Finance Sector and English banks find themselves frozen out of EU banking and financial services markets. Surely much better to keep your HQ in an independent Scotland within the EU? ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    The scotsman has actually altered its editorial stance recently. It is now taking a fact based, non-aligned position and it has committed to not supporting any parties.

    A welcome development i would suggest.

    But yeah, who cares about one of our largest employers eh...
    One of largest employers is laying off people by the day.
    They are using this threat to intimidate their staff into voting the way the RBS (aka The Government) want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    The big word is "IF", which you didn't use before.

    We don't know what tariffs would be. We don't know what the tax rates would be.

    Your company doesn't know what its moving costs would be (new premises, redundancies etc).
    OK I can accept its not certain but im pretty sure it would happen. A lot of business have said along the same lines they would move their HQ out of Scotland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    Alternatively, why have your bank HQ in separatist England, when much of your business is done in Europe. Specially if May is unable to swing a deal for the Finance Sector and English banks find themselves frozen out of EU banking and financial services markets. Surely much better to keep your HQ in an independent Scotland within the EU? ;)
    Because England is one of financial centres of the world with the skills, expertise and experience in finance?

    My company is not a financial one but a Audio & Visual installation company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    OK I can accept its not certain but im pretty sure it would happen. A lot of business have said along the same lines they would move their HQ out of Scotland.
    ...without knowing the facts, costs and benefits of moving out of "possible EU Scotland" to "probably non-EU England"?

    I'd doubt that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    ...without knowing the facts, costs and benefits of moving out of "possible EU Scotland" to "probably non-EU England"?

    I'd doubt that.
    95% of our business sells to England not the EU.

    Goes for most Scottish Businesses - England are by far our biggest trading partners not the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    95% of our business sells to England not the EU.

    Goes for most Scottish Businesses - England are by far our biggest trading partners not the EU.
    .. that doesn't meant to say that it would be a smart commercial decision to move there.

    If that were the only criterion, our whisky companies would be based in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    .. that doesn't meant to say that it would be a smart commercial decision to move there.

    If that were the only criterion, our whisky companies would be based in the US.
    It would be smart decision if tariffs are placed between nations. If there are no tariffs then it would mean the UK has a great free trade deal with the EU, exactly what the SNP say will not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    It would be smart decision if tariffs are placed between nations. If there are no tariffs then it would mean the UK has a great free trade deal with the EU, exactly what the SNP say will not happen.
    That word "if" again.

    If Scotland reduces Corporation Tax to 3 points below the UK rate.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    That word "if" again.

    If Scotland reduces Corporation Tax to 3 points below the UK rate.......
    Going into a trade war with your closets trading partners that also happens to have a stronger currency - doesn't seem a great idea to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Going into a trade war with your closets trading partners that also happens to have a stronger currency - doesn't seem a great idea to me.
    That's another issue , of course.

    But my point is... would lower tax rates affect the attitude of companies who are thinking of relocating? Of course they would.

    ( a side issue.... what makes you think England would have a stronger currency than Scotland, in or out of the EU?)
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    last RBS group accounts.... 87,000 employees, 23,000 of which are uk based. Of the 23 they are spread across Ulster bank, williams and Glynn, Natwest and Coutts.

    As the group is clearly a worldwide operation the reality is that it's not going to do something (or not do it) if it's going to impact on their costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    ( a side issue.... what makes you think England would have a stronger currency than Scotland, in or out of the EU?)
    Hardly a side issue. And anyway, what is this currency which is weaker than the ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    Hardly a side issue. And anyway, what is this currency which is weaker than the ?
    Of course it's not a side issue, but it was a tangent in the wee spat we're having

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    That's another issue , of course.

    But my point is... would lower tax rates affect the attitude of companies who are thinking of relocating? Of course it would.

    ( a side issue.... what makes you think England would have a stronger currency than Scotland, in or out of the EU?)
    The Deficit Scotland runs in its economy and the over all size of GDP would surely weaken our currency.

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