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    Of course I was. But the fact remains that some of those levers have been there since Day 1 of devolution, and none of the 3 parties who have been in power have seen fit to use them. The LibDems tried with their 1p on Income Tax to fund free higher education, but as soon as they got a sniff of power, that was forgotten about.

    Which sums up my views on mainstream politicians... that the first rule of Government is to stay in Government.
    Of course it is. if you read back many pages ago I made that very same point when folk were saying the snp would disband post indy yes vote. I was making the point why would they when being in power is addictive however I concede there is a chance all or some of the parties may alliance or change names to some extent post indy yes vote.

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    Nothing really shifting either way on this when it comes to the polls despite Sturgeon and Salmond's regular predictions of surges in support for independence following every utterance made by the PM:

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...ence-1-4427523

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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    Nothing really shifting either way on this when it comes to the polls despite Sturgeon and Salmond's regular predictions of surges in support for independence following every utterance made by the PM:

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...ence-1-4427523
    YES 49%

    NO 51%

    in that particular survey when the don't knows are removed. Wait until June 9th and it may be interesting what the following polls suggest.

    47% Yes tp 53% No in a Survation Poll

    45% Yes to 55% No in Panelbase poll
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    Nothing really shifting either way on this when it comes to the polls despite Sturgeon and Salmond's regular predictions of surges in support for independence following every utterance made by the PM:

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...ence-1-4427523
    You only need to read the comments page to get the EDITORIAL LINE of this erm.....Newspaper! Jambo toilet roll!

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    Got my 1st 2 local council election leaflets over the weekend.

    The Tory one has a list on one side, number one on the list is to oppose a 2nd referendum, on the other side the whole thing is referendum orientated .

    The 2nd one was Labour, its ALL about local issues ..... so currently they're ahead of the race in my household.

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    Got my 1st 2 local council election leaflets over the weekend.

    The Tory one has a list on one side, number one on the list is to oppose a 2nd referendum, on the other side the whole thing is referendum orientated .

    The 2nd one was Labour, its ALL about local issues ..... so currently they're ahead of the race in my household.

    (its Gorgie/Sighthill by the way)


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    While the opposition and the MSM make the SNP to be "all about independence". The MSM constantly bring up the subject of independence to Nicola while opposition parties send leaflets through my door..... all about independence.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs View Post
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    While the opposition and the MSM make the SNP to be "all about independence". The MSM constantly bring up the subject of independence to Nicola while opposition parties send leaflets through my door..... all about independence.....
    It's too important a decision to not be an issue surely?! You already had a vote in one of Scotlands biggest ever turnouts- and this has basically been ignored and independence is an issue again.
    My thoughts anyway. I worry about Scotlands future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OsloHibs View Post
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    It's too important a decision to not be an issue surely?! You already had a vote in one of Scotlands biggest ever turnouts- and this has basically been ignored and independence is an issue again.
    My thoughts anyway. I worry about Scotlands future.
    You're right, it is an issue


    The issue we're having as well though is that it feels like it's everyone else except the SNP that brings up Ref2, that's not to say the SNP don't bring it up, just not everytime and never when talking about council elections.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OsloHibs View Post
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    It's too important a decision to not be an issue surely?! You already had a vote in one of Scotlands biggest ever turnouts- and this has basically been ignored and independence is an issue again.
    My thoughts anyway. I worry about Scotlands future.
    The point is , these are leaflets for local Council elections. They're nothing to do with the General Election or independence. They're about electing people to make sure the bins get emptied. Important stuff, but naff all to do with whether we're having a referendum or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    The point is , these are leaflets for local Council elections. They're nothing to do with the General Election or independence. They're about electing people to make sure the bins get emptied. Important stuff, but naff all to do with whether we're having a referendum or not.

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    Seen it on the Tories leaflets and that's it. The other parties are going on local issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Alf View Post
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    You're right, it is an issue


    The issue we're having as well though is that it feels like it's everyone else except the SNP that brings up Ref2, that's not to say the SNP don't bring it up, just not everytime and never when talking about council elections.


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    Urmm was it not the SNP that called a motion in parliament for Indy2? And had Indy2 in their manifesto?

    It really is bizarre that people suggest that it's everyone else apart from the SNP that are bringing up Indy2, that just a bonkers perspective. I mean if the SNP had stuck to their word and accepted the first referendum who would be talking about Independence now?

    Sure the Tories have gone somewhat off track by making it a primary plank of their local election bumf which is rather odd but clearly they see that people vote along party lines no matter what the election is so see a consistent (if rather non sensical at a local level) message of opposition to the SNP and their obsession with Independence as a vote winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    Urmm was it not the SNP that called a motion in parliament for Indy2? And had Indy2 in their manifesto?

    It really is bizarre that people suggest that it's everyone else apart from the SNP that are bringing up Indy2, that just a bonkers perspective. I mean if the SNP had stuck to their word and accepted the first referendum who would be talking about Independence now?

    Sure the Tories have gone somewhat off track by making it a primary plank of their local election bumf which is rather odd but clearly they see that people vote along party lines no matter what the election is so see a consistent (if rather non sensical at a local level) message of opposition to the SNP and their obsession with Independence as a vote winner.
    No. The SNP are getting on with the day job for local elections while the other parties are clearly distracted.

    Saying that I'm totally unimpressed by my local SNP candidate and am looking to see what the independent candidates have to offer.

    ........

    On a national level I was surprised at how agitated Jeremy Corbyn was at the conference in Aviemore today as he spoke about Scotland and the SNP, he really became quite animated.

    I don't think he has any great love for Scotland anyway but has the 40 seats he and the Scottish branch lost at the last election seared a hole through his heart? His fired up triad might have been better aimed at the Torys or even sparked a bit of passion when he spoke about the policies the audience nearly fell asleep at as he droned on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    Urmm was it not the SNP that called a motion in parliament for Indy2? And had Indy2 in their manifesto?

    It really is bizarre that people suggest that it's everyone else apart from the SNP that are bringing up Indy2, that just a bonkers perspective. I mean if the SNP had stuck to their word and accepted the first referendum who would be talking about Independence now?

    Sure the Tories have gone somewhat off track by making it a primary plank of their local election bumf which is rather odd but clearly they see that people vote along party lines no matter what the election is so see a consistent (if rather non sensical at a local level) message of opposition to the SNP and their obsession with Independence as a vote winner.
    Your first sentence is spot on, unfortunately that's not the whole picture.

    You totally must know that the 1st referendum was a once in a generation unless something impacted on what we were all voting for? That's what was actually said..... If the Better Together folks had kept to their word then there would be no discussions of a 2nd referendum.



    For what it's worth, I'm not voting SNP in the council elections (not all parties fell into to Tory Ref2 is the only issue hole) but will probably vote SNP in the general election.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    The point is , these are leaflets for local Council elections. They're nothing to do with the General Election or independence. They're about electing people to make sure the bins get emptied. Important stuff, but naff all to do with whether we're having a referendum or not.

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    Christopher Brookmyre has tweeted

    Local council Tory candidate leaflet bemoans SNP's "obsession with #indyref2". Same leaflet mentions #indyref2 nine times in six pages
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    Christopher Brookmyre has tweeted
    I see fhe FM is now delaying her further indyref plans.

    Whats wrong with the SNP, getting cold feet because the polls arent doing what they want them too?

    Surely they dont think independence is becoming an electoral handicap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    I see fhe FM is now delaying her further indyref plans.

    Whats wrong with the SNP, getting cold feet because the polls arent doing what they want them too?

    Surely they dont think independence is becoming an electoral handicap?
    We've got an election to win. Priorities my dear boy, priorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    I see fhe FM is now delaying her further indyref plans.

    Whats wrong with the SNP, getting cold feet because the polls arent doing what they want them too?

    Surely they dont think independence is becoming an electoral handicap?
    A bit difficult to set out plans when the opposition/UK Government won't engage, and introduce delaying tactics like Unnecessary General Elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    A bit difficult to set out plans when the opposition/UK Government won't engage, and introduce delaying tactics like Unnecessary General Elections.
    The Scottish Parliament is back and sitting as normal i believe... dont see why it would be so difficult.

    Of course the UK Govt wont engage, they have stated their position and it hasnt changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    The Scottish Parliament is back and sitting as normal i believe... dont see why it would be so difficult.

    Of course the UK Govt wont engage, they have stated their position and it hasnt changed.
    The UK Government stated their position 'before' knowing what the proposal was.

    It isn't too difficult to respond officially to the request, and discuss timescales. "Not at this time" was not an answer as the proposals were also for 'not at this time', so at least both sides were in agreement about that. But to not even agree to sit down and discuss a timescale is just petty and shows the Tory government has NO interest in Scotland at all.
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    I see fhe FM is now delaying her further indyref plans.

    Whats wrong with the SNP, getting cold feet because the polls arent doing what they want them too?

    Surely they dont think independence is becoming an electoral handicap?
    Concentrating on winning the local elections, it's no really too hard to grasp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs View Post
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    Concentrating on winning the local elections, it's no really too hard to grasp.
    But her job is to be FM?

    I thought the indy ref was the most important thing, yet now it is subservient to two elections that the FM nor any of the Scotttish Govt are standing in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    But her job is to be FM?

    I thought the indy ref was the most important thing, yet now it is subservient to two elections that the FM nor any of the Scotttish Govt are standing in?

    I see you've got your lines through from Tory central office.

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    I see you've got your lines through from Tory central office.

    SG doing the day job today, and discussing the Rape clause, and APD.
    Ha ha, touche!

    It just seems odd that independence was urgent, but a couple of disappointing polls and now its not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    But her job is to be FM?

    I thought the indy ref was the most important thing, yet now it is subservient to two elections that the FM nor any of the Scotttish Govt are standing in?
    Should they not bother planning or taking part in them? You don't have come out with some far fetched theory nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Ha ha, touche!

    It just seems odd that independence was urgent, but a couple of disappointing polls and now its not.
    The FM was going to outline the next steps when parliament resumed, however, that was before Theresa cut and run on a GE.

    I thought Theresa might have waited for the Tory Election Fraud issue to be played out first but she U turned, and changed her mind on a GE, after saying Brexit was the most important thing on her mind.

    Polls eh, who needs them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveF View Post
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    Should they not bother planning or taking part in them? You don't have come out with some far fetched theory nonsense.
    Well its not what we are paying them for is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    The FM was going to outline the next steps when parliament resumed, however, that was before Theresa cut and run on a GE.

    I thought Theresa might have waited for the Tory Election Fraud issue to be played out first but she U turned, and changed her mind on a GE, after saying Brexit was the most important thing on her mind.

    Polls eh, who needs them.

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    So your defence is to have a go at the tories.

    Ok, ill leave it there. Youre myopic at the best of times, im not even going to try during a double election campaign!

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    I see fhe FM is now delaying her further indyref plans.

    Whats wrong with the SNP, getting cold feet because the polls arent doing what they want them too?

    Surely they dont think independence is becoming an electoral handicap?
    The total lack of the SNP's hoped-for rise in support for independence in the wake of, firstly, the PM's 'now is not the time' assertion, secondly the triggering of Article 50 and finally the announcement of a snap general election has presumably given Sturgeon pause for thought. If this latest poll is to be believed support for independence has actually declined significantly:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7700416.html

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