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    Banksy art in Edinburgh

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...ment-1-4367066

    Anyone seen this yet or know what the story behind it is?

    I wonder how easy it would be to lift it and take it away? If it doesn't belong to anyone, surely it's fair game!


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    Quote Originally Posted by LustForLeith View Post
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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...ment-1-4367066

    Anyone seen this yet or know what the story behind it is?

    I wonder how easy it would be to lift it and take it away? If it doesn't belong to anyone, surely it's fair game!
    I think Sputnik is finally back from orbit.

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    It looks *****.

    I don't get "art"...if I made that sculpture and stuck it up in town, with a wee sign "by Andy Easton", nobody would like it, and it'd be taken away and burned prob. But, if it turns out it is a Banksy bit of art, then everyone will want a photo with it.

    Same thing, ***** if made by one guy, masterpiece if made by another.

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    It looks *****.

    I don't get "art"...if I made that sculpture and stuck it up in town, with a wee sign "by Andy Easton", nobody would like it, and it'd be taken away and burned prob. But, if it turns out it is a Banksy bit of art, then everyone will want a photo with it.

    Same thing, ***** if made by one guy, masterpiece if made by another.
    I remember a few years ago arguing with a guy about art. A picture of a whole load of coloured dots by Damien Hirst sold for a ridiculous sum of money. I said to him I didn't get it as it was something I could have painted, his answer was simple but it did stump me: 'but you didn't'.

    Personally I agree that the 'sculpture' looks crap. In the same way I think taking a few pictures of an unmade bed with used condoms and empty bottles scartered about makes someone a clarty cow as opposed to having artistic merit. I think his point though was that coming up with an idea that provokes a reaction, positive or negative, that no one has thought of before is harder than it seems. It's easy to say 'I could do that' after someone else has done it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    I remember a few years ago arguing with a guy about art. A picture of a whole load of coloured dots by Damien Hirst sold for a ridiculous sum of money. I said to him I didn't get it as it was something I could have painted, his answer was simple but it did stump me: 'but you didn't'.

    Personally I agree that the 'sculpture' looks crap. In the same way I think taking a few pictures of an unmade bed with used condoms and empty bottles scartered about makes someone a clarty cow as opposed to having artistic merit. I think his point though was that coming up with an idea that provokes a reaction, positive or negative, that no one has thought of before is harder than it seems. It's easy to say 'I could do that' after someone else has done it.
    I kind of get what you're saying, but just because something is original, doesn't make it good. Does it make it art? Loads of coloured dots aren't good art, in my opinion, just because nobody else did it first.

    I could get 20 mobile phones, all playing Pokemon Go on them, tie them by string to the blades of a ceiling fan, and have it spinning quickly,. I'll call it Now How Do You Catch Them All?

    It's original, probably, maybe it's already been done?

    It's ***** though. The fact that someone could look at it and tell me it's *****, is provoking a reaction, but it's certainly not art. Again though, I do that, it's nothing, Damien Hirst/insert name of an arty person does it...ooooh its provoking a reaction.

    It's all a nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    I kind of get what you're saying, but just because something is original, doesn't make it good. Does it make it art? Loads of coloured dots aren't good art, in my opinion, just because nobody else did it first.

    I could get 20 mobile phones, all playing Pokemon Go on them, tie them by string to the blades of a ceiling fan, and have it spinning quickly,. I'll call it Now How Do You Catch Them All?

    It's original, probably, maybe it's already been done?

    It's ***** though. The fact that someone could look at it and tell me it's *****, is provoking a reaction, but it's certainly not art. Again though, I do that, it's nothing, Damien Hirst/insert name of an arty person does it...ooooh its provoking a reaction.

    It's all a nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    Can I steal that idea for this years Turner Prize? think it has a chance
    I think it would have a decent chance.

    The key is not to think it's a pile of nonsense and brave it out with utter bull***t, with no sense of self-awareness whatsoever.

    I feel Easty's frustration with modern life, the obsession of the youth of today with handheld devices and computer games which is blinding them to the real problems that are going on, i.e. global warming (and our fan is only going to consume more energy, thus worsening the crisis). We are all working so hard (the fast spinning motion of the fan) we are blind to the looming crisis.

    Will it be too late, or will be able to catch the problems before they escalate?

    What will it take to engage the youth of today and get them interested?



    (For the avoidance of doubt, I most certainly do not work in "The arts". But if I did, I'd be singing this clearly talented chap up pronto).

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    It looks *****.

    I don't get "art"...if I made that sculpture and stuck it up in town, with a wee sign "by Andy Easton", nobody would like it, and it'd be taken away and burned prob. But, if it turns out it is a Banksy bit of art, then everyone will want a photo with it.

    Same thing, ***** if made by one guy, masterpiece if made by another.
    That's mainly because someone like Banksy has a body of work behind him that some people like and have been able to place a value upon.

    Until you do anything of note on a pretty regular basis nobody is likely to care either way about your art!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
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    That's mainly because someone like Banksy has a body of work behind him that some people like and have been able to place a value upon.

    Until you do anything of note on a pretty regular basis nobody is likely to care either way about your art!
    Is it not the case that it's not about people caring about the art because the artist isn't well known, but that folk like Banksy's art is judged on his reputation rather than the merits of what has been created?

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    I kind of get what you're saying, but just because something is original, doesn't make it good. Does it make it art? Loads of coloured dots aren't good art, in my opinion, just because nobody else did it first.

    I could get 20 mobile phones, all playing Pokemon Go on them, tie them by string to the blades of a ceiling fan, and have it spinning quickly,. I'll call it Now How Do You Catch Them All?

    It's original, probably, maybe it's already been done?

    It's ***** though. The fact that someone could look at it and tell me it's *****, is provoking a reaction, but it's certainly not art. Again though, I do that, it's nothing, Damien Hirst/insert name of an arty person does it...ooooh its provoking a reaction.

    It's all a nonsense.


    Anything I look at and think, "legitimately, I could have done that" isn't genuine art in the "artistic" sense of the word IMO.

    Monet, van Gogh, Constable etc - that's art.

    All this "provoke a reaction" chat is the preserve of chin-stroking, chino wearing, Gauloise smoking twatty art students who'll grow up to complain bitterly that they're always penniless and misunderstood but faint at the suggestion that maybe they could just get a normal job.

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    I love Banksy's stuff - there's nothing abstract about it, it's accessible to all and can be funny, cheeky, thought provoking - often all 3.

    The thing in Edinburgh - even though it's not a patch on Banksy, what's the harm? If you don't like it or even don't care about it there's no harm done, neither to property nor the public purse.

    If it gets people talking, all the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lyonhibs View Post
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    Anything I look at and think, "legitimately, I could have done that" isn't genuine art in the "artistic" sense of the word IMO.

    Monet, van Gogh, Constable etc - that's art.

    All this "provoke a reaction" chat is the preserve of chin-stroking, chino wearing, Gauloise smoking twatty art students who'll grow up to complain bitterly that they're always penniless and misunderstood but faint at the suggestion that maybe they could just get a normal job.
    Except, Van Gogh was unsuccessful during his lifetime. It was only after his suicide that his work started to sell. Sods Law!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
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    That's mainly because someone like Banksy has a body of work behind him that some people like and have been able to place a value upon.

    Until you do anything of note on a pretty regular basis nobody is likely to care either way about your art!
    You've hit the nail on the head as far as putting a value, both financially and artistically, on works of art. It's not the actual piece of work that really has the value. It's the value associated with the artist's status and previous success which influences the price somebody will pay. As an example ( although you may not like his work ), Henri Maitisse had a highly successful career but in old age he was going blind and couldn't continue to paint. He produced flat, simple images by cutting out shapes and sticking them on a white background. This basic 'style' did not diminish the value of his work or the desire of art collectors to acquire it.

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    I really like it as said something to talk about, apparantly it's getting moved hopefully somewhere it can be seen again.

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    On a topical note, Diageo are offering The Monarch Of The Glen by Sir Edward Landseer, for sale at a cool 8m. They have offered the National Gallery of Scotland a 50% discount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Said Frank View Post
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    Is it not the case that it's not about people caring about the art because the artist isn't well known, but that folk like Banksy's art is judged on his reputation rather than the merits of what has been created?
    The Emperor's new clothes?

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    Ironically, this art piece, good or bad, because of the publicity, infamy, secrecy etc., will have accrued a fair value over the short period it was in the public eye. The artist may have done this for a gesture of love to his wife but, method to his madness, he has carved a wee niche for himself in the art world.

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