Hibs fan in court for assaulting Rangers player at SC final

[CropleyWasGod]

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Are you obliged to give evidence for the defence.

If you're cited as a witness, and don't attend, you can be arrested.

Pretty sure that's the case for prosecution and defence witnesses.

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[snooky]

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If it's hacking you off, you can make a complaint. The Police would be duty bound to act on it.

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Given the scrutiny everybody else on the park seems have had from the SP, it is bewildering this incident appears to have been overlooked.
The fact that a registered complaint will be required to get the SP to activate an investigation speaks volumes about their chosen lines of focus, IMO.

[Stokesy's on fire]

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Given the scrutiny everybody else on the park seems have had from the SP, it is bewildering this incident appears to have been overlooked.
The fact that a registered complaint will be required to get the SP to activate an investigation speaks volumes about their chosen lines of focus, IMO.

Exactly!

[greenginger]

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Given the scrutiny everybody else on the park seems have had from the SP, it is bewildering this incident appears to have been overlooked.
The fact that a registered complaint will be required to get the SP to activate an investigation speaks volumes about their chosen lines of focus, IMO.

The Rangers security guy who takes a swipe at the young Hibby is most likely a former Glasgow Polis.

Absolutely no chance of him being collared by his former colleagues .

[Bostonhibby]

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The Rangers security guy who takes a swipe at the young Hibby is most likely a former Glasgow Polis.

Absolutely no chance of him being collared by his former colleagues .

Not actually seen this but is there a clear image of it happening? If so it's straightforward to share a bit of the load and do the investigation for police Glasgow and highlight it for them

" I spent some of the happiest days of my football playing life at Easter Road" - Sir Matt Busby

[andyf5]

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It's an absolute joke..I know this lad and his family personally , he's gown up with all my sons and never been any bother. Typical over reaction by the authorities because they fu$%ed up on the day of the final.Nothing but a scapegoat.

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I don't know him but totally agree. His first mistake was pleading guilty to abusive gestures towards Foderingham and then got the book thrown at him as they wanted "to make an example". Nearly every Rangers fan pled not guilty waiting months to have their case heard. Is it a coincidence his charge appears a day before the sentencing of a Rangers fan?

[snooky]

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Not actually seen this but is there a clear image of it happening? If so it's straightforward to share a bit of the load and do the investigation for police Glasgow and highlight it for them

" I spent some of the happiest days of my football playing life at Easter Road" - Sir Matt Busby

There's a 20 sec video clip on the DR's site. Here's stills from the video at 16 seconds in.

[Bostonhibby]

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There's a 20 sec video clip on the DR's site. Here's stills from the video at 16 seconds in.

Jeez, so if you were looking at prosecution without fear or favour and doing it efficiently this is an easy high profile prosecution with quality images available. It's a lot worse looking than some of the stuff police Glasgow have been appealing to the public to help identify

" I spent some of the happiest days of my football playing life at Easter Road" - Sir Matt Busby

[marinello59]

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I don't know him but totally agree. His first mistake was pleading guilty to abusive gestures towards Foderingham and then got the book thrown at him as they wanted "to make an example". Nearly every Rangers fan pled not guilty waiting months to have their case heard. Is it a coincidence his charge appears a day before the sentencing of a Rangers fan?

It's no coincidence at all. The *******s at Police Scotland are hanging him out to dry.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Given the scrutiny everybody else on the park seems have had from the SP, it is bewildering this incident appears to have been overlooked.
The fact that a registered complaint will be required to get the SP to activate an investigation speaks volumes about their chosen lines of focus, IMO.

Does anyone actually know that he hasn't been charged?

For all we know, he's been charged, pled guilty and been fined.

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[lord bunberry]

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Does anyone actually know that he hasn't been charged?

For all we know, he's been charged, pled guilty and been fined.

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Surely the story would have been in the daily record

[snooky]

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Does anyone actually know that he hasn't been charged?

For all we know, he's been charged, pled guilty and been fined.

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That was my original question, CWG.
You'd think if the gentleman concerned was associated with the SFA or TRFC and was charged, it would make the headlines ..... or maybe not.

[truehibernian]

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It's no coincidence at all. The *******s at Police Scotland are hanging him out to dry.

Police Scotland don't (nor can influence) court date sittings - that's the Clerk of the courts job. The lad was overtaken by emotion it's clear, but let's be realistic - we are all accountable for our own actions.

Knowing many many cops I'm sure they wanted home early and not having to deal with a pitch invasion with fighting.

Don't get me wrong marinello, I'd rather see police time tackling other things, but we made this an easy decision for them when fans invaded the pitch - those that committed offences, from both sides, have to take their punishment - that's not the police's fault.

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It looks like the rangers thug who kicked the young hibs fan sliding on his knees has been jailed for 9 months .

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-38616676

[worcesterhibby]

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Police Scotland don't (nor can influence) court date sittings - that's the Clerk of the courts job. The lad was overtaken by emotion it's clear, but let's be realistic - we are all accountable for our own actions.

Knowing many many cops I'm sure they wanted home early and not having to deal with a pitch invasion with fighting.

Don't get me wrong marinello, I'd rather see police time tackling other things, but we made this an easy decision for them when fans invaded the pitch - those that committed offences, from both sides, have to take their punishment - that's not the police's fault.

I'm sorry but that is utter rubbish. The west coast police are and always have been a bunch of Rangers supporting Masons. This is a witch hunt.

Do I wish that there hadn't been a pitch invasion...yes

Would the same be happening if Sevco had won against another club and invaded the pitch...No

Sevco themselves, set the tone for this..with their baseless accusations of "every player being assaulted" they are liars and ****bags and the police are their henchmen.

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There has been over 100 arrested so none of us know whether this guy is one of them.
Legal experts will know better than me but I can't recall ever reading about anyone being charged with assaulting an unknown person so unless the cops know the identity of the Hibs fan who was kicked then I can't see him being charged with assault. Possible to charge him with a breach of the peace I suppose??

[northstandhibby]

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I'm sorry but that is utter rubbish. The west coast police are and always have been a bunch of Rangers supporting Masons. This is a witch hunt.

Do I wish that there hadn't been a pitch invasion...yes

Would the same be happening if Sevco had won against another club and invaded the pitch...No

Sevco themselves, set the tone for this..with their baseless accusations of "every player being assaulted" they are liars and ****bags and the police are their henchmen.

[truehibernian]

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I'm sorry but that is utter rubbish. The west coast police are and always have been a bunch of Rangers supporting Masons. This is a witch hunt.

Do I wish that there hadn't been a pitch invasion...yes

Would the same be happening if Sevco had won against another club and invaded the pitch...No

Sevco themselves, set the tone for this..with their baseless accusations of "every player being assaulted" they are liars and ****bags and the police are their henchmen.

Maybe worth doing a FOI request and seeing how many The Rangers fans have been arrested. So far, I'd say more than Hibs.

Don't know your age, but I'll agree historically the police through there have been far more heavy handed over the decades I've been following Hibs.

But let's not go anywhere near 'conspiracy' theories - not only were the eyes of the world on Hampden by media, the stadium boasts some of the best CCTV in football.

If fingers of 'blame' are to be pointed I'd be firmly placing them in the direction of sections of the media who revelled in the aftermath. And sadly, in today's society, with social media and people's instant arrival at 'being outraged or offended', often the police are hamstrung and have to investigate incidents - or they themselves would be criticised.

I'm no fan of this enlarged enquiry mate - I'm merely pointing out those that those on the pitch that went beyond celebrating deserve penalty.

[marinello59]

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Police Scotland don't (nor can influence) court date sittings - that's the Clerk of the courts job. The lad was overtaken by emotion it's clear, but let's be realistic - we are all accountable for our own actions.

Knowing many many cops I'm sure they wanted home early and not having to deal with a pitch invasion with fighting.

Don't get me wrong marinello, I'd rather see police time tackling other things, but we made this an easy decision for them when fans invaded the pitch - those that committed offences, from both sides, have to take their punishment - that's not the police's fault.

There's a witch hunt going on here. If it's not the police then who is driving it?

[lucky]

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For a decent lawyer then can I not suggest Donald Findlay QC.

You've obviously never met him. DF will defend anyone on anything as he truly believes that we all have the right to representation.

He's also one of the best after dinner speakers I've ever heard

[truehibernian]

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There's a witch hunt going on here. If it's not the police then who is driving it?

For me sections of the media mate - without doubt.

[worcesterhibby]

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Don't know your age, but I'll agree historically the police through there have been far more heavy handed over the decades I've been following Hibs.


I'm no fan of this enlarged enquiry mate - I'm merely pointing out those that those on the pitch that went beyond celebrating deserve penalty.

I'm 49 so was brought up in the 70's and 80's..and to be fair I haven't lived in Scotland full time since the early 90's maybe things have changed in the police.

If Hibs fans actually assaulted (punched or kicked) Rangers players then fair enough, but other than one swing and a miss I haven't seen any evidence of that. If you win the cup after a 114 year wait then you are sure due a celebratory pitch invasion. If you get beat after cheating your way to a dozen titles and then cheating businesses out of millions of pounds you should leave the ground quietly. The only reasons there was a disturbance on the pitch is that rangers losers couldn't take it and ran on as well. Without them it would have been a celebration, not a fight.

[truehibernian]

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There's a witch hunt going on here. If it's not the police then who is driving it?

I also said at the time marinello, Gordon Waddell, who was one of the most vocal in the media as being 'outraged', did anyone ever get clarification if he assisted police with their enquiries in providing statements to the assaults he witnessed ? Never got an answer. After all, I'd hope if he witnessed an assault in the street he'd pop in to a station and do the dutiful thing and report it given his clear moral stance on violence ?

Keith Jackson ? Never has answered any questions regards 'every The Rangers player assaulted' !

As Denzil Washington said 'practice enough you'll become good at it - including BS' !

[truehibernian]

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I'm 49 so was brought up in the 70's and 80's..and to be fair I haven't lived in Scotland full time since the early 90's maybe things have changed in the police.

If Hibs fans actually assaulted (punched or kicked) Rangers players then fair enough, but other than one swing and a miss I haven't seen any evidence of that. If you win the cup after a 114 year wait then you are sure due a celebratory pitch invasion. If you get beat after cheating your way to a dozen titles and then cheating businesses out of millions of pounds you should leave the ground quietly. The only reasons there was a disturbance on the pitch is that rangers losers couldn't take it and ran on as well. Without them it would have been a celebration, not a fight.

What I would say Worcester is that surely - surely - the police said before the event, 'what happens if Hibs win' ? Knowing the pent up emotion, it's THE game you'd expect delirium - so I agree with you in the sense that you could criticise them for being incredibly naive

[snooky]

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You've obviously never met him. DF will defend anyone on anything as he truly believes that we all have the right to representation.
He's also one of the best after dinner speakers I've ever heard

You're lucky! (Sorry, couldn't resist that one )
Actually I've seen him as an after-dinner speaker and without doubt he was the worst I've ever witnessed.
Many in attendance that night would agree with me.

But let's get back on the subject .........

[Danderhall Hibs]

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You've obviously never met him. DF will defend anyone on anything as he truly believes that we all have the right to representation.

He's also one of the best after dinner speakers I've ever heard

He only defends guilty folk and aims to get them off using the not proven verdict.

If I was on a jury and he was the defence lawyer I'd.have the defendant guilty before lunch.

No idea about his after dinner speaking.

[lord bunberry]

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There's a witch hunt going on here. If it's not the police then who is driving it?

It started with the media and is now being followed up by the police. It's an east v west thing. If the roles were reversed, we wouldn't be talking about this now. The article someone posted earlier n the thread about the Rangers fan who got 9 months is the first time I've read anything that named anyone as a Rangers fan.

[truehibernian]

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It started with the media and is now being followed up by the police. It's an east v west thing. If the roles were reversed, we wouldn't be talking about this now. The article someone posted earlier n the thread about the Rangers fan who got 9 months is the first time I've read anything that named anyone as a Rangers fan.

Who buys more papers LB ? There's your answer !

Media is the new currency of the world - I agree totally with you, the media fuelled it as they saw a cash cow - the police had no choice to investigate or they themselves would be media 'prey'.

I just wish folk wouldn't buy The Sun and The Daily Record - or The Daily Racist (Mail)

[lord bunberry]

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Who buys more papers LB ? There's your answer !

Media is the new currency of the world - I agree totally with you, the media fuelled it as they saw a cash cow - the police had no choice to investigate or they themselves would be media 'prey'.

I just wish folk wouldn't buy The Sun and The Daily Record - or The Daily Racist (Mail)

I used to buy the sun every day up until around 5 years ago and my dad used to be a daily record man during my youth. I'm just glad that we now have other forms of media to obtain our news. I don't agree with everyone on this site and I'm sure plenty don't agree with me, but there's no better place to find out about what's happening with our club. The days of the papers dictating narrative are thankfully over ggtth.