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    One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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    Was wondering if I was alone in thinking this. I can see why a fine/suspension/mandatory training should be handed his way - but I think a lot of the lock him up suggestions are OTT. No one knows the background reasons as to why he took this decision.
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    One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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    Not impossible, but not an excuse.

    Not sure I'd be looking to have him jailed though. Nor do I think he will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeeRussell View Post
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    Not impossible, but not an excuse.

    Not sure I'd be looking to have him jailed though. Nor do I think he will be.
    Why not? There's not a huge jump from what this guy did to what that footballer that killed a couple of kids in his car did. They both decided to act selfishly in their vehicles, the big difference is that this guy was lucky enough that when his lorry toppled over he didn't land on another car.
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    Was wondering if I was alone in thinking this. I can see why a fine/suspension/mandatory training should be handed his way - but I think a lot of the lock him up suggestions are OTT. No one knows the background reasons as to why he took this decision.
    I think the point is though, nowadays everyone has mitigation circumstances for acting selfishly as if that is justification. Rules are in place and not to be broken as and when folk feel like it. I completely understand your view but I wonder what message it would send to other hgv drivers next time the bridge is closed. It's OK to ignore the signs and cross if.... Insert self centred excuse in here.

    We are all busy, we all are under pressure at work, we all have families to get home to etc, but we have to stop being so selfish as a society. It impacted on hundreds of thousands of people yesterday and lost people money/missed appointments etc and for that reason I feel that training etc would be letting him off lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    I think the point is though, nowadays everyone has mitigation circumstances for acting selfishly as if that is justification. Rules are in place and not to be broken as and when folk feel like it. I completely understand your view but I wonder what message it would send to other hgv drivers next time the bridge is closed. It's OK to ignore the signs and cross if.... Insert self centred excuse in here.

    We are all busy, we all are under pressure at work, we all have families to get home to etc, but we have to stop being so selfish as a society. It impacted on hundreds of thousands of people yesterday and lost people money/missed appointments etc and for that reason I feel that training etc would be letting him off lightly.
    I'd look at it another way.

    If it can be shown that his employer made demands on him, to the point where he felt compelled to make the decision he did, the employer should also be in the dock.

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    Why not? There's not a huge jump from what this guy did to what that footballer that killed a couple of kids in his car did. They both decided to act selfishly in their vehicles, the big difference is that this guy was lucky enough that when his lorry toppled over he didn't land on another car.
    Sometimes luck is the only difference between going to jail and not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    I'd look at it another way.

    If it can be shown that his employer made demands on him, to the point where he felt compelled to make the decision he did, the employer should also be in the dock.
    I dare say well find out during court case. I doubt he'll get the option of sending a fine in the post.
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    If he has been charge with dangerous driving theres a good chance of jail time. I got done with the same charge in 2008 and the first thing thr lawyer said was "this is a jailable offence" he will at the very least loose his liscence and have to resit the test, and having a dd40 on your record isnt fun when coming to insure a vehicle. I paid 3200 for a 1998 1.6 golf that was only worth 1500. Everyones employer puts a bit presure on them, its up to you to say no. If that has been the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    I'd look at it another way.

    If it can be shown that his employer made demands on him, to the point where he felt compelled to make the decision he did, the employer should also be in the dock.
    I actually agree with that. The thing is though, if I was under pressure to commit a crime a robbery for example, say through fear or blackmail, I would still be guilty of carrying out the crime. The punishment may be more lenient than otherwise but I doubt I would get off with some training on assertive behaviour techniques etc.

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    In December 2015 when the bridge was closed the Chamber of Commerce reckoned that the cost of time delays caused by the diversion was 3m a day.

    Just saying.
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    If he is found guilty, which seems a no brainer, could individual businesses submit insurance claims against the guy/his employers for lost earnings etc? Say a self employed sparky who had to turn down work or taxi drivers who couldn't move around as freely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    If he is found guilty, which seems a no brainer, could individual businesses submit insurance claims against the guy/his employers for lost earnings etc? Say a self employed sparky who had to turn down work or taxi drivers who couldn't move around as freely?
    Or 10s of thousands of standard commuters who racked up extra travel hours or had to take a days holiday.
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