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    One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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    Was wondering if I was alone in thinking this. I can see why a fine/suspension/mandatory training should be handed his way - but I think a lot of the lock him up suggestions are OTT. No one knows the background reasons as to why he took this decision.
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    One wonders what kind of pressure he might have been put under by his employer.

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    Not impossible, but not an excuse.

    Not sure I'd be looking to have him jailed though. Nor do I think he will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeeRussell View Post
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    Not impossible, but not an excuse.

    Not sure I'd be looking to have him jailed though. Nor do I think he will be.
    Why not? There's not a huge jump from what this guy did to what that footballer that killed a couple of kids in his car did. They both decided to act selfishly in their vehicles, the big difference is that this guy was lucky enough that when his lorry toppled over he didn't land on another car.
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    Was wondering if I was alone in thinking this. I can see why a fine/suspension/mandatory training should be handed his way - but I think a lot of the lock him up suggestions are OTT. No one knows the background reasons as to why he took this decision.
    I think the point is though, nowadays everyone has mitigation circumstances for acting selfishly as if that is justification. Rules are in place and not to be broken as and when folk feel like it. I completely understand your view but I wonder what message it would send to other hgv drivers next time the bridge is closed. It's OK to ignore the signs and cross if.... Insert self centred excuse in here.

    We are all busy, we all are under pressure at work, we all have families to get home to etc, but we have to stop being so selfish as a society. It impacted on hundreds of thousands of people yesterday and lost people money/missed appointments etc and for that reason I feel that training etc would be letting him off lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    I think the point is though, nowadays everyone has mitigation circumstances for acting selfishly as if that is justification. Rules are in place and not to be broken as and when folk feel like it. I completely understand your view but I wonder what message it would send to other hgv drivers next time the bridge is closed. It's OK to ignore the signs and cross if.... Insert self centred excuse in here.

    We are all busy, we all are under pressure at work, we all have families to get home to etc, but we have to stop being so selfish as a society. It impacted on hundreds of thousands of people yesterday and lost people money/missed appointments etc and for that reason I feel that training etc would be letting him off lightly.
    I'd look at it another way.

    If it can be shown that his employer made demands on him, to the point where he felt compelled to make the decision he did, the employer should also be in the dock.

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    Why not? There's not a huge jump from what this guy did to what that footballer that killed a couple of kids in his car did. They both decided to act selfishly in their vehicles, the big difference is that this guy was lucky enough that when his lorry toppled over he didn't land on another car.
    Sometimes luck is the only difference between going to jail and not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    I'd look at it another way.

    If it can be shown that his employer made demands on him, to the point where he felt compelled to make the decision he did, the employer should also be in the dock.
    I dare say well find out during court case. I doubt he'll get the option of sending a fine in the post.
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    If he has been charge with dangerous driving theres a good chance of jail time. I got done with the same charge in 2008 and the first thing thr lawyer said was "this is a jailable offence" he will at the very least loose his liscence and have to resit the test, and having a dd40 on your record isnt fun when coming to insure a vehicle. I paid 3200 for a 1998 1.6 golf that was only worth 1500. Everyones employer puts a bit presure on them, its up to you to say no. If that has been the case.

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    I'd look at it another way.

    If it can be shown that his employer made demands on him, to the point where he felt compelled to make the decision he did, the employer should also be in the dock.
    I actually agree with that. The thing is though, if I was under pressure to commit a crime a robbery for example, say through fear or blackmail, I would still be guilty of carrying out the crime. The punishment may be more lenient than otherwise but I doubt I would get off with some training on assertive behaviour techniques etc.

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    In December 2015 when the bridge was closed the Chamber of Commerce reckoned that the cost of time delays caused by the diversion was £3m a day.

    Just saying.
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    If he is found guilty, which seems a no brainer, could individual businesses submit insurance claims against the guy/his employers for lost earnings etc? Say a self employed sparky who had to turn down work or taxi drivers who couldn't move around as freely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensaidbefore View Post
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    If he is found guilty, which seems a no brainer, could individual businesses submit insurance claims against the guy/his employers for lost earnings etc? Say a self employed sparky who had to turn down work or taxi drivers who couldn't move around as freely?
    Or 10s of thousands of standard commuters who racked up extra travel hours or had to take a days holiday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    But maybe not quite as much as envisaged...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    But maybe not quite as much as envisaged...

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    Why did we build a bridge rather than a tunnel?
    Someone once told me that hard work wouldn't kill me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekHFC View Post
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    Why did we build a bridge rather than a tunnel?
    So people could admire the new bridge being built from the old bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekHFC View Post
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    Why did we build a bridge rather than a tunnel?
    Political grandstanding.

    It is a monument that allows the politicians to pat themselves on the back and take the acclaim that "we built this".

    A tunnel would be far more cost-effective but far less glamorous.

    (That's what I heard anyway. I don't know anything about these things).

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    Just had a quick look at the report on the crossing options and the cost benefit ratio for the cable stay bridge (as built) is well above any tunnel option. So it was the most cost effective option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    Just had a quick look at the report on the crossing options and the cost benefit ratio for the cable stay bridge (as built) is well above any tunnel option. So it was the most cost effective option.
    It is engineered to allow traffic to cross even in severe weather. And it's beautiful. I'm pretty proud to see something like that built in Scotland.
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    Perhaps we should have copied the Øresund Bridge in Scandanavia.

    Fantastic sight as you fly into Denmark.
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    Yet another bleeding idiot who needs his nuts put in a vice.
    Just back home from working in Denny today and the traffic heading the other way up the M90 is brutal, what a daftie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snooky View Post
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-39271380

    Yet another bleeding idiot who needs his nuts put in a vice.
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    I drove North earlier on, and was struck by the number of high sided lorries using the bridge despite the ban.
    Having been caught up in the mayhem later on, my kneejerk reaction is to kneecap the guy....but 2 things:-

    1. As with last time, how much pressure is put on the driver to ignore the ban?

    2. There doesn't seem to be any policing of the ban. It's left to the drivers themselves to make the choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    2. There doesn't seem to be any policing of the ban. It's left to the drivers themselves to make the choice.
    In which case it's like most road traffic incidents. Ignore the signage and don't screw up, you get away with it. Ignore the signage and screw up, well prepare to get your knuckles rapped.
    The bridge operator does dispatch vehicles either side on approach with flashing orange lights but I don't think they can actually stop individual vehicles.
    Perhaps the Police will have to take a proactive approach to prevent this becoming a more frequent occurrence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales View Post
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    In which case it's like most road traffic incidents. Ignore the signage and don't screw up, you get away with it. Ignore the signage and screw up, well prepare to get your knuckles rapped.
    The bridge operator does dispatch vehicles either side on approach with flashing orange lights but I don't think they can actually stop individual vehicles.
    Perhaps the Police will have to take a proactive approach to prevent this becoming a more frequent occurrence.
    Or have some sort of metal structure that's designed to prevent lorries getting under it 😁

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    took me 2 hours to get home, was bursting on a pee as well!!

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