Alan Preston v Richard Gordon NHC

[Itsnoteasy]

Did anyone hear sportsound yesterday. It involved the 2 mentioned. They got on to talking about attendances. AP then pipes up saying HMFC are a bigger team than The Dons. RG said really what European cups have HMFC won. AP then said you can't even play for that trophy now & anyway our average support is more than yours. I then looked up footie stats website for EPL. According to it West Ham have a higher average attendance than Liverpool this season. LFC are one of the most successful clubs in England and WHFC can't lace their boots. We know AP is a twat, but who was right here. I side with the dons as they have been more successful in there history. What's others thoughts on this.

[Mr White]

2 bald men fighting over a comb really.

[Earlydelivery]

When he said "our average attendance " I think he meant rangers 😉

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

West Ham have won a World Cup though! :-)

[Topographic Hibby]

Alan Preston...
Hearts....
Who is bigger......

Sounds like the ultimate nightmare game of Pigeon Chess.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hibs are bigger than them both.

[HoboHarry]

If they are arguing about what amounts to an opinion, then that would back up what I have always said about how amateurish the Scottish commentators and co-commentators are compared to their English counterparts. Regardless of what you think about them, you just do not hear Gary Neville, Graeme Le Saux etc etc involving themselves in such moronic discussions.....

[cleanyman]

Hearts and Aberdeen are very close.

My grandfather who is a Rangers man through and through remembers the Hibs golden era and at the time says Hibs were comfortably seen as the third biggest in Scotland...and potentially the biggest. Sadly, we never really kicked on but when he talks about this era he seems confuzzled on how Hibs failed to capitalise on such a period.

[HoboHarry]

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Hearts and Aberdeen are very close.

My grandfather who is a Rangers man through and through remembers the Hibs golden era and at the time says Hibs were comfortably seen as the third biggest in Scotland...and potentially the biggest. Sadly, we never really kicked on but when he talks about this era he seems confuzzled on how Hibs failed to capitalise on such a period.

No they aren't. In the last 50 years (which is longer than Preston has been alive) Hearts have won three major trophies and Aberdeen have won 16, two of which were at European level. If Preston truly believes that then he has plumbed uncharted depths of stupidity.

[Joe6-2]

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Hearts and Aberdeen are very close.

My grandfather who is a Rangers man through and through remembers the Hibs golden era and at the time says Hibs were comfortably seen as the third biggest in Scotland...and potentially the biggest. Sadly, we never really kicked on but when he talks about this era he seems confuzzled on how Hibs failed to capitalise on such a period.

Aren't we all

[mjhibby]

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If they are arguing about what amounts to an opinion, then that would back up what I have always said about how amateurish the Scottish commentators and co-commentators are compared to their English counterparts. Regardless of what you think about them, you just do not hear Gary Neville, Graeme Le Saux etc etc involving themselves in such moronic discussions.....

Totally agree. I stopped listening to it as it sounded likes fans arguing in the pub. It's is so amateurish and Gordon comes out with so much twaddle it's unreal. As for having Preston covering hibs games. To think we pay for it through the licence fee.

[JimBHibees]

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Totally agree. I stopped listening to it as it sounded likes fans arguing in the pub. It's is so amateurish and Gordon comes out with so much twaddle it's unreal. As for having Preston covering hibs games. To think we pay for it through the licence fee.

Couldnt agree more that is a shocker that is allowed to happen, his open contempt for Hibs compromises his neutrality. Just done to wind Hibs fans up, as you say amateurish. Was Gordon, the one that came out with the karma comment when Hibs went down? Has he ever explained what he meant by that?

[lord bunberry]

Even if that squeaky voiced little prick is right he's wrong. The only people who think hearts are a bigger club than Aberdeen are hearts fans.

[hibsbollah]

I listened to it and I thought Preston was a total embarrassment. Possibly the Hibs attendance the other night has irritated him as it seems to have every other hertz erze I know.

For what it's worth,I guess most fans measure size (when they do at all) in terms of domestic trophies won or when relevant, European trophies. With fan base and average attendances also a factor. So Aberdeen beat Hertz. Hertz and Hibs are of similar size, 4 league trophies each with comparable attendances.

[houstonhibbee]

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I listened to it and I thought Preston was a total embarrassment. Possibly the Hibs attendance the other night has irritated him as it seems to have every other hertz erze I know.

For what it's worth,I guess most fans measure size (when they do at all) in terms of domestic trophies won or when relevant, European trophies. With fan base and average attendances also a factor. So Aberdeen beat Hertz. Hertz and Hibs are of similar size, 4 league trophies each with comparable attendances.

Id say theres not much between all three all thing considered but the gulf to Celtic and the old Rangers is pathetic so we've not got much to crow about - all three

[Col2]

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I listened to it and I thought Preston was a total embarrassment. Possibly the Hibs attendance the other night has irritated him as it seems to have every other hertz erze I know.

100% what I thought and it's coming through load and clear amongst the yam mob that they are raging about the continued rise of the Hibees and the fall of 'the famous'. AP is a bitter twat who has absolutely nothing to add to the football debate unlike some of the journalists (English, Spiers) and other pundits (Sutton).

The yams are absolutely raging and still haven't come to terms with May 21st 2016. I would fear for the yam wellbeing if we ended up retaining the Scottish Cup....or even if we knocked them out AGAIN for the 3rd time in 4 years.

[jabis]

When whatshisname said Hearts were a bigger team Richard Gordon was literally speechless......said it all.

[Itsnoteasy]

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When whatshisname said Hearts were a bigger team Richard Gordon was literally speechless......said it all.

He sure was. Think his reply was are you kidding me on.

[dchibs]

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When whatshisname said Hearts were a bigger team Richard Gordon was literally speechless......said it all.

They are a bigger team though Potter dosnt sign players unless they are over six feet eight.

[Sioux]

What is the definition of bigness?

Nottm Forest won two European cups? Are they bigger clubs than Arsenal or Chelsea or even Everton for that matter?

Wimbledon won an FA cup. Are they bigger than anyone at all?

Is a big club one with a traditionally large fan base, irrespective of how many trophies they have won? Are Rangers and Celtic really as big as they claim to be, bearing in mind they play in a predominately weak league set up? (Ignoring the fact that their support is drawn from non-geographical base).

If the Scottish clubs had been integrated within a British league set up would anyone here in Scotland even consider referring to any Scottish club as big? Even the halfwits at the other side of town couldn't come out with that nonsense.

So many questions so few answers.

I doubt anyone could come up with a definitive objective, rather than subjective, test.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

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What is the definition of bigness?

Nottm Forest won two European cups? Are they bigger clubs than Arsenal or Chelsea or even Everton for that matter?

Wimbledon won an FA cup. Are they bigger than anyone at all?

Is a big club one with a traditionally large fan base, irrespective of how many trophies they have won? Are Rangers and Celtic really as big as they claim to be, bearing in mind they play in a predominately weak league set up? (Ignoring the fact that their support is drawn from non-geographical base).

If the Scottish clubs had been integrated within a British league set up would anyone here in Scotland even consider referring to any Scottish club as big? Even the halfwits at the other side of town couldn't come out with that nonsense.

So many questions so few answers.

I doubt anyone could come up with a definitive objective, rather than subjective, test.

I see both Hearts and Hibs as bigger than Aberdeen, though Aberdeen are clearly more successful in terms of trophys won.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Aberdeen have never won a World War.


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[HoboHarry]

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Aberdeen have never won a World War.


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[Dashing Bob S]

City clubs tend to have pretty much the same potential. Sectarianism has distorted this is Scotland with the OF, but it pretty much holds true. Any club in a population centre with investment in stadia and personnel will do well, as people follow winning sides, and all the more so if they are local. Hibs support has increased 50% since the winning of Scottish Cup after 114 years brought glory to the club, and changed the perception of us from lovable losers, to a big club of huge potential (in the Scottish context at any rate.)

For what it's worth, I think Hibs, Hearts and A'deen are pretty much at a similar level. If nitpicking, I would rate Hibs as bit bigger than Hearts. They have had thirty years of financial doping that has distorted the picture, but our support benefited from the club being big in the postwar era when more people went to games. We've always, on the bigger occasions, drawn much larger crowds than Hearts.

[ekhibee]

Difficult one. If we're going on highest ever crowd attendances, Hearts had a higher one than Aberdeen, and we had a higher one than both of them. The Hearts one is actually open to debate, because it was played at Murrayfield against Barcelona (57k), not Tynecastle, and somewhat ironically, Aberdeen's highest attendance was against Hearts in a cup game in 1954 (45k). our highest attendance was also against Hearts (65k) in 1950. Before their 'home' game against Barcelona, their highest attendance was 49k.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Richard Gordon is a joke his comments are typical of the deluded sheep. Aberdeen FC are a bang average club and as for Preston...

[Carheenlea]

As an aside, I was catching up today on the Sportsound podcast from Friday night's game, and instead of Richard Gordon, the host was Geoff Webster. His style is quite old school, but a refreshing change from Richard Gordon, and one I'd like to be seen given more airtime when covering live events. Pundits were Tam McManus and Ryan McGowan, with McGowan in particular surprising me by coming across as a likeable guy (for a former Hearts player). Both spoke well on the match without any theatrics, and with Tom English contributing with interesting analysis, the BBC proved they can put out very good radio coverage of football when they have the headphones on the better broadcasters.
The guys like Alan Preston need to be put out to pasture if the quality of the programme is to improve on a more consistent basis.

[we are hibs]

Both men are absolute arsewipes. But Aberdeen are blatantly a bigger club than hearts.

[Bostonhibby]

A who can piss the highest competition in the playground by the sounds of it. I'd suggest the winner is the one with the driest head.

Gordon should have planted him one on behalf of the rest of the world.

Neither have any modern day claims to anything outstanding so the Dons edge it for me as they have far less to be ashamed of.

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[Babyshamble]

Listen to sportsound when I don't go to away games due to work etc.its getting better now.tam macmanus is superb on it.richard Gordon is a bell end.alan Preston really doesn't bother me that much.