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    Tories

    In this post truth era, you've got to hand it to Tory MSP, Jamie Greene. Greene by name, but Green by nature.

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    Ooft, twat.

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    In this post truth era, you've got to hand it to Tory MSP, Jamie Greene. Greene by name, but Green by nature.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-eternal-opposition/
    Rather embarrassing but, sadly, not surprising!

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    The Tories would scrap Holyrood if they could, so it's little surprise that they don't bother to learn what it actually does.

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    Another Tory Millionaire using Parliament to look after her own interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    In this post truth era, you've got to hand it to Tory MSP, Jamie Greene. Greene by name, but Green by nature.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-eternal-opposition/
    But wait a minute..Nicola Sturgeon herself said the following (as per the SNP's own website)

    We will also continue to invest in the infrastructure that businesses need. Our manifesto pledged to deliver superfast broadband to 100% of premises in Scotland by 2021. This will improve productivity across Scotland and transform connectivity for businesses based in remote and rural areas. Over the next few months we will set out our detailed timetable for achieving this goal

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    But wait a minute..Nicola Sturgeon herself said the following (as per the SNP's own website)

    We will also continue to invest in the infrastructure that businesses need. Our manifesto pledged to deliver superfast broadband to 100% of premises in Scotland by 2021. This will improve productivity across Scotland and transform connectivity for businesses based in remote and rural areas. Over the next few months we will set out our detailed timetable for achieving this goal
    Just like previous manifestos that promised lower class sizes (failed) eradicating student debt (failed, and has doubled since they came to power) so let's see how they get on with this.

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    Good to know the Government is on our side, according to the PM.

    There was I thinking the opposite.

    Gives me a warm Christmassy feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    But wait a minute..Nicola Sturgeon herself said the following (as per the SNP's own website)

    We will also continue to invest in the infrastructure that businesses need. Our manifesto pledged to deliver superfast broadband to 100% of premises in Scotland by 2021. This will improve productivity across Scotland and transform connectivity for businesses based in remote and rural areas. Over the next few months we will set out our detailed timetable for achieving this goal


    100% is a very definite target, and by selecting that, they leave themselves open to criticism if just a single property doesn't get those speeds within 4 years.

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    Further more if broadband targets were not enough it appears the Scottish Government does have some applicable powers after all...

    From the Herald:

    On June 12, the Scottish Government said a plan to increase and improve mobile coverage in Scotland had been agreed with mobile operators in a move that attempted to increase commercial investment in 4G mobile in Scotland.

    While primary responsibility over mobile coverage lies with the UK government, the Scottish government said it had used its own powers to "take forward a series of actions, with tangible steps alongside public sector partners to support its ambition".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    But wait a minute..Nicola Sturgeon herself said the following (as per the SNP's own website)

    We will also continue to invest in the infrastructure that businesses need. Our manifesto pledged to deliver superfast broadband to 100% of premises in Scotland by 2021. This will improve productivity across Scotland and transform connectivity for businesses based in remote and rural areas. Over the next few months we will set out our detailed timetable for achieving this goal
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    Further more if broadband targets were not enough it appears the Scottish Government does have some applicable powers after all...

    From the Herald:

    On June 12, the Scottish Government said a plan to increase and improve mobile coverage in Scotland had been agreed with mobile operators in a move that attempted to increase commercial investment in 4G mobile in Scotland.

    While primary responsibility over mobile coverage lies with the UK government, the Scottish government said it had used its own powers to "take forward a series of actions, with tangible steps alongside public sector partners to support its ambition".
    Our manifesto did indeed mention your top quote. Is their any reason why we shouldn't have ambitions to provide broadband to 100% of premises by 2021?

    On your second quote from the HERALD, the Government are continually trying to get round the rules which we're tied to by Westminster, it's just that we shouldn't be held back from trying to achieve our ambitions.

    I'd hope we get our fair share of the cash released last week by the UK gov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Our manifesto did indeed mention your top quote. Is their any reason why we shouldn't have ambitions to provide broadband to 100% of premises by 2021?

    On your second quote from the HERALD, the Government are continually trying to get round the rules which we're tied to by Westminster, it's just that we shouldn't be held back from trying to achieve our ambitions.

    I'd hope we get our fair share of the cash released last week by the UK gov.
    Surely cash is allocated via Barnett Formula, and it is up to thr SG how it is spent? Or have i misunderstood?

    Yout second para is quite an amazing statement. You do realise that the rules the SG aee tied to, are what have been agreed bia numerous democratic processes?

    How would you feel if the UK Govt were continually trying to get around the current devo settlement? Would you accept that as fine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Surely cash is allocated via Barnett Formula, and it is up to thr SG how it is spent? Or have i misunderstood?

    We get our pocket money which we've to be happy about, even when they're reducing it. Just imagine yer bairns if you told them their pocket money was being reduced year on year for the next 5 years

    Yout second para is quite an amazing statement. You do realise that the rules the SG aee tied to, are what have been agreed bia numerous democratic processes?

    I'm thinking more about this, old chap, all within the rules

    http://www.alexsalmond.scot/press-re...-the-community

    How would you feel if the UK Govt were continually trying to get around the current devo settlement? Would you accept that as fine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Our manifesto did indeed mention your top quote. Is their any reason why we shouldn't have ambitions to provide broadband to 100% of premises by 2021?

    On your second quote from the HERALD, the Government are continually trying to get round the rules which we're tied to by Westminster, it's just that we shouldn't be held back from trying to achieve our ambitions.

    I'd hope we get our fair share of the cash released last week by the UK gov.
    So in other words the SG does have and can have influence over telecommunications...so much so they have manifesto commitments to it and their own initiatives for mobile coverage.

    The Tory dude was obviously a bit confused and a bit dim but reading the wings article you would be forgiven for not being aware of such commitments from the SNP on the very matters it was lambasting him for daring to suggest the SNP had influence over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    So in other words the SG does have and can have influence over telecommunications...so much so they have manifesto commitments to it and their own initiatives for mobile coverage.

    The Tory dude was obviously a bit confused and a bit dim but reading the wings article you would be forgiven for not being aware of such commitments from the SNP on the very matters it was lambasting him for daring to suggest the SNP had influence over.
    Influence is rather different from control in my book. I'd take back control any day

    As you can see here...http://www.alexsalmond.scot/press-re...-the-community

    This is influence, which may not achieve his objectives. If he had control, he could ensure it occurred.

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    Here we go again. The "UK Government in Scotland office", has increased it's budget to levels unknown for others. Tories looking after Tories, whilst the rest suffer cuts.

    https://t.co/751PPs3SqA

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Here we go again. The "UK Government in Scotland office", has increased it's budget to levels unknown for others. Tories looking after Tories, whilst the rest suffer cuts.

    https://t.co/751PPs3SqA

    With respect, do you not see that your whole SNP can do no wrong, tories and everyone else is evil schtick is actually counterproductive?

    Tae see ourselves as others see us?

    The UK Govt is our national, sovereign govt whether you like it or not. The office in scotland is not that big, amd id guess the reason your news story talks of percentages is because the actual figures will be relatively small.

    Plus, is the civil service that runs this offoce of state is the same civil service that runs the scottish government? So how is it tories looking afyer tories?

    And as scotland will soon be the highest taxed part of the UK, im not sure that everyone is suffering cuts purely as a result of UK govt policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    With respect, do you not see that your whole SNP can do no wrong, tories and everyone else is evil schtick is actually counterproductive?

    Tae see ourselves as others see us?

    The UK Govt is our national, sovereign govt whether you like it or not. The office in scotland is not that big, amd id guess the reason your news story talks of percentages is because the actual figures will be relatively small.

    Plus, is the civil service that runs this offoce of state is the same civil service that runs the scottish government? So how is it tories looking afyer tories?

    And as scotland will soon be the highest taxed part of the UK, im not sure that everyone is suffering cuts purely as a result of UK govt policy.
    You seem obsessed with the SNP. I never mentioned them. This threads about the Tories. Plenty others to choose from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Here we go again. The "UK Government in Scotland office", has increased it's budget to levels unknown for others. Tories looking after Tories, whilst the rest suffer cuts.

    https://t.co/751PPs3SqA
    In fairness to them, ever more shrill howling of "EAT YOUR CEREAL!!!" doesn't come cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Here we go again. The "UK Government in Scotland office", has increased it's budget to levels unknown for others. Tories looking after Tories, whilst the rest suffer cuts.

    https://t.co/751PPs3SqA
    The article suggests people are entitled to ask what the increased budget had been spent on...shame no one bothered to find out before they ran off lambasting it and making a pointless comparison so the SG budget.

    There may well be good reasons (or not!) for the only increase that is actually quantified but again we are left in the dark.

    Rather than just lambasting anything and everything some detail might actually help otherwise it's just comes over as petty politicking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    The article suggests people are entitled to ask what the increased budget had been spent on...shame no one bothered to find out before they ran off lambasting it and making a pointless comparison so the SG budget.

    There may well be good reasons (or not!) for the only increase that is actually quantified but again we are left in the dark.

    Rather than just lambasting anything and everything some detail might actually help otherwise it's just comes over as petty politicking.
    This is an infuriatingly fair point that can't be argued with. That is quite unsettling.

    Thank god that proper investigation is not required, given it's the Tories who're behind it. The increase can only be due to an attempt to keep the jock hoi polloi in its place, so it's all cool in cracking on with sticking it to Mundell and his crew! Yas!


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    SNP = Good
    Anything Else = Bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    SNP = Good
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    Correct.










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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    The article suggests people are entitled to ask what the increased budget had been spent on...shame no one bothered to find out before they ran off lambasting it and making a pointless comparison so the SG budget.

    There may well be good reasons (or not!) for the only increase that is actually quantified but again we are left in the dark.

    Rather than just lambasting anything and everything some detail might actually help otherwise it's just comes over as petty politicking.
    I thought you were a small g kind of guy too.

    I can't for the life of me wonder why that budget has risen so much when all WM seems to talk about is cuts. This is the same department who propagated the lie which Carmichael started. They're maybe getting all their ducks in a row for project fear MK2

    With the SG taking on more responsibilities and the Scottish office relinquishing some, you'd think it would be the other way round.

    That's Tories for you though. They've moved the UK debt skywards since coming to power. Go them eh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    SNP = Good
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    I thought you were a small g kind of guy too.

    I can't for the life of me wonder why that budget has risen so much when all WM seems to talk about is cuts. This is the same department who propagated the lie which Carmichael started. They're maybe getting all their ducks in a row for project fear MK2

    With the SG taking on more responsibilities and the Scottish office relinquishing some, you'd think it would be the other way round.

    That's Tories for you though. They've moved the UK debt skywards since coming to power. Go them eh.
    You would think it would be the other way around but there may be good reason why it's not. That's my point you can't complain about it until you understand why it is the case. Simply to complain because it is without knowing the why is just complaining for the sake of it and benefits no one.

    I'm also not sure it's just WM that talks about cuts all the time btw

    And as you know I'm all for discussions on how there can be so many cuts and austerity and too much too far yet still we spend more and more of what we don't have! A habit that is not restricted to the Tories that's for sure...

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    Didn't know whether to put his into the Fake news thread, however, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

    Theresa the Appeaser has claimed that she got justice for the 96 during PMQs.

    Some in Liverpool, Not happy. Is she re-writing history?

    https://t.co/mEAWhL57bf

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Didn't know whether to put his into the Fake news thread, however, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

    Theresa the Appeaser has claimed that she got justice for the 96 during PMQs.

    Some in Liverpool, Not happy. Is she re-writing history?

    https://t.co/mEAWhL57bf
    Did she not also make some comment at this week's PMQs about having secured pardons for those convicted of historic homosexuality offences? I didn't actually hear it, but read a comment on the BBC website about Angus Robertson picking her up on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future17 View Post
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    Did she not also make some comment at this week's PMQs about having secured pardons for those convicted of historic homosexuality offences? I didn't actually hear it, but read a comment on the BBC website about Angus Robertson picking her up on it.
    They tried to take the plaudits for the Turing bill, which was brought to parliament by John Nicolson MP. They talked out his bill and introduced another to make it look like they secured the pardons. They didn't want his bill to go forward.

    He was quite rightly very upset when his bill was filibustered by a government minister. Shower of *******s.

    https://www.stonewall.org.uk/our-wor...uld-go-further

    http://www.cityam.com/251989/parliam...ss-turing-bill

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37707030

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    Great stuff in Parliament today where Ivan McKee sliced and diced Murdo Fraser.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuLlFJiGMIs

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