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    Yup. It's a good principle not to jump your fences until you get to them.

    I think any Scot who isn't aware that the position of the monarchy would be in question in the immediate aftermath of Scottish independence urgently needs to waken up and take some notice.

    Betty won't live forever - even if she does seem to be making a really serious attempt to do so. Our next lord and master talks to trees and root vegetables, I believe.

    The hereditary principle is no way to run a country.
    Just as well then that the country isn't run on the hereditary principle


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    Its an open secret that a fair number, if not the majority, of SNP MPs and MSPs are republican minded ..... but that's not the purpose of the party, its purpose is to campaign for an independent Scotland. As I said, the royals are a side issue, so why damage the cause by making it one? I doubt there is a political party on earth who would take a different approach.



    I would imagine that of all the issues that would affect Scotland after independence the question of who should be head of state above all others will go to some sort of referendum ..... I would say that anybody whose decision about whether Scotland should be independent or not is dependent on having a head of state put in place by accident of birth needs their bumps felt.

    You might imagine that but Salmond actually said we would keep the Queen.

    So basically we have to guess as to which SNP policy statements are real, which ones are completely untrue and which ones are just made-up flags of convenience purely to get people to vote for Independence?

    Sort of makes it a little difficult to take seriously other SNP statements on, say, the size of Scotland's budget deficit and any potential future currency don't you think?

    The next thing you know we won't be able to trust anything their Transport Minister tells us about the trains.

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    You might imagine that but Salmond actually said we would keep the Queen.

    So basically we have to guess as to which SNP policy statements are real, which ones are completely untrue and which ones are just made-up flags of convenience purely to get people to vote for Independence?

    Sort of makes it a little difficult to take seriously other SNP statements on, say, the size of Scotland's budget deficit and any potential future currency don't you think?

    The next thing you know we won't be able to trust anything their Transport Minister tells us about the trains.
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    We could always go back to when Labour were in charge.

    Auld Betty will be popping her clogs soon. I wonder if any of her two grandsons will be back from their fun tours of Canada, or the Caribbean to help out.

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    Whether an independent Scotland would keep the monarchy or not would depend on where post referendum parties align themselves. I'd fully expect conservatives to back keeping it almost 100% and the other parties being divided pretty much down the middle.

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    We could always go back to when Labour were in charge.

    Auld Betty will be popping her clogs soon. I wonder if any of her two grandsons will be back from their fun tours of Canada, or the Caribbean to help out.

    Classic. Everything is awesome!

    Be sure and send that brilliantly distorted bar chart to all the pissed off commuters whose trains are cancelled or late. I think they'll particularly enjoy seeing a 6% numerical difference shown in graphics that imply something like a 600% difference. Perhaps its author was a Lib-Dem in a previous life? And some people have the nerve to say the SNP just make it up as they go along, tsk tsk.

    Q: Transport Minister, the trains are a nightmare. What are you going to do about it?

    A: I'm not a transport expert. We'll nationalise them. No wait, we'll have a chat with everyone about nationalising them. Hang on, we'll give them a good talking to and hope they get better. Maybe we'll nationalise them. It's Westminster's fault. Does anyone know where Stewart Stevenson is? I'm a future leadership contender. Anyway, you should have seen them nine years ago. Look, a squirrel.

    I'm racking my brains trying to remember who was good at making the trains run on time...

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    Classic. Everything is awesome!

    Be sure and send that brilliantly distorted bar chart to all the pissed off commuters whose trains are cancelled or late. I think they'll particularly enjoy seeing a 6% numerical difference shown in graphics that imply something like a 600% difference. Perhaps its author was a Lib-Dem in a previous life? And some people have the nerve to say the SNP just make it up as they go along, tsk tsk.

    Q: Transport Minister, the trains are a nightmare. What are you going to do about it?

    A: I'm not a transport expert. We'll nationalise them. No wait, we'll have a chat with everyone about nationalising them. Hang on, we'll give them a good talking to and hope they get better. Maybe we'll nationalise them. It's Westminster's fault. Does anyone know where Stewart Stevenson is? I'm a future leadership contender. Anyway, you should have seen them nine years ago. Look, a squirrel.

    I'm racking my brains trying to remember who was good at making the trains run on time...
    Still banging that old strapline out.

    The thing is, the SG know it's not all sweetness and light, and are doing something about it.

    When your lot were in power, the railways were going backwards. I thought you might have a go at SNPBAD on another matter, but having seen Iain Docherty's piece in the Herald, it seems you've picked another dud.

    Now, let's get this thread back on course, and you can forget about coming in the bronze position in May. It seems to be getting to you

    Watch yer back or this guy will be pushing you into fourth.

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    Still banging that old strapline out.

    The thing is, the SG know it's not all sweetness and light, and are doing something about it.

    When your lot were in power, the railways were going backwards. I thought you might have a go at SNPBAD on another matter, but having seen Iain Docherty's piece in the Herald, it seems you've picked another dud.

    Now, let's get this thread back on course, and you can forget about coming in the bronze position in May. It seems to be getting to you

    Watch yer back or this guy will be pushing you into fourth.

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    It's your theme tune bud, banged out every time there's any criticism. The SNP's version of 'Simply the Best'.

    Wee bit sensitive on the Humsa rail fiasco are we? I'm not surprised. It is very impressive that the SNP Govt have noticed it's not all sweetness and light - seeing as they've been running Scotland for the last 9 and a half years. Still, better late than never. Sort of like the trains I suppose.

    I couldn't care less who comes in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the May elections - because at the minute they're all crap. But then I'm not a Party hack tied into defending the Party's position at all costs. My vote is up for grabs.

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    You might imagine that but Salmond actually said we would keep the Queen.

    So basically we have to guess as to which SNP policy statements are real, which ones are completely untrue and which ones are just made-up flags of convenience purely to get people to vote for Independence?

    Sort of makes it a little difficult to take seriously other SNP statements on, say, the size of Scotland's budget deficit and any potential future currency don't you think?

    The next thing you know we won't be able to trust anything their Transport Minister tells us about the trains.
    I doubt saying we would keep the queen would get folk to actually vote for independence, but not saying her erse is oot the windae post the vote is more likely to create less waves in certain circles. When Salmond said that AFAIK he was still SNP leader ... he has since been supplanted by the much more openly republican Sturgeon.

    Whatever the case as I said the question of whether to keep an unelected head of state ridiculously put in place by birth right in the event that Scotland did become independent would 100% be decided by a referendum ... it would be political suicide for any party in power, no matter who it was, to arbitrarily make the decision because they would open the door to reactionary action by the usual suspects, especially those of the FTP we arru peepul persuasion, but not just them. If the matter was decided by public vote you would probably still get a backlash from the more fervent royalist supporters, but it would be a lot harder if not impossible for them to justify any actions short of moaning on Facebook.

    As for the rest of your post ..... Sorry mate but you are wasting your breath trying to bash me over the head with your razor like insight into how the SNP run the country, some things they have done well, some things they have not done so well, like every political party they have their faults. I have voted for them since the 70s because they were the only political party dedicated to the cause of Scottish independence and that is something dear to my heart, it doesn't mean I will agree with every move they make in power and in the case of independence being achieved I would fully expect the party to fragment into whatever the individual MPs MSPs and ordinary members driving political mindset is without the uniting cause of independence to hold them together.

    As for the trains ...... I don't know the ins and outs of how the rail network runs, though I am aware from events last week that the first minister is apparently to blame for an individual train breaking down and has to answer for it in the Holyrood chamber. The other thing I know is that through a number of Tory and Labour British and Scottish administrations I wasn't able to get a train from Galashiels to Edinburgh and now I can

    Its also the case that a much needed 2nd road crossing over the Forth is nearing completion and that instead of grudgingly accepting that something has been achieved the folk who will bash the SNP no matter what they do made a big issue of the fact that steel from a plant that didn't actually produce the type of steel the bridge needed wasn't used in its construction.

    It might be the case that the SNP don't always achieve what they say they want to and it might even be the case that that's the result of poor planning, decision making or whatever .... but as far as I can see that doesn't set them apart from every other political party. I seem to remember the Tories and Labour saying that only staying in the union would guarantee our membership of the EU ... remind me how that went again.

    Anyway ... all of this is a different argument and I'm not sure why folk, including me, are allowing you to draw them into it. The subject under discussion is the royal family and it doesn't matter if the country is being run by the SNP the Tories or an invading force of space aliens .... Having a head of state put in place by right of birth is a ridiculous concept in the 21st century and is indefensible.
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    [QUOTE=One Day Soon;4865634]It's your theme tune bud, banged out every time there's any criticism. The SNP's version of 'Simply the Best'.

    Wee bit sensitive on the Humsa rail fiasco are we? I'm not surprised. It is very impressive that the SNP Govt have noticed it's not all sweetness and light - seeing as they've been running Scotland for the last 9 and a half years. Still, better late than never. Sort of like the trains I suppose.

    I couldn't care less who comes in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the May elections - because at the minute they're all crap. But then I'm not a Party hack tied into defending the Party's position at all costs. My vote is up for grabs.[/QUOTE]

    Ah, you're a floater, thought as much.

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    Whilst MP's discuss punishing folk for wearing medals, this charlatan masquerades in his fancy dress. He dropped out of the marines during training.

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    It's your theme tune bud, banged out every time there's any criticism. The SNP's version of 'Simply the Best'.

    Wee bit sensitive on the Humsa rail fiasco are we? I'm not surprised. It is very impressive that the SNP Govt have noticed it's not all sweetness and light - seeing as they've been running Scotland for the last 9 and a half years. Still, better late than never. Sort of like the trains I suppose.

    I couldn't care less who comes in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the May elections - because at the minute they're all crap. But then I'm not a Party hack tied into defending the Party's position at all costs. My vote is up for grabs.[/QUOTE]

    Ah, you're a floater, thought as much.

    Top notch CyberNat posting of the highest order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE View Post
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    I doubt saying we would keep the queen would get folk to actually vote for independence, but not saying her erse is oot the windae post the vote is more likely to create less waves in certain circles. When Salmond said that AFAIK he was still SNP leader ... he has since been supplanted by the much more openly republican Sturgeon.

    So are the SNP still in favour of keeping the Queen as Head of State post-independence?

    Whatever the case as I said the question of whether to keep an unelected head of state ridiculously put in place by birth right in the event that Scotland did become independent would 100% be decided by a referendum ... it would be political suicide for any party in power, no matter who it was, to arbitrarily make the decision because they would open the door to reactionary action by the usual suspects, especially those of the FTP we arru peepul persuasion, but not just them. If the matter was decided by public vote you would probably still get a backlash from the more fervent royalist supporters, but it would be a lot harder if not impossible for them to justify any actions short of moaning on Facebook.

    As for the rest of your post ..... Sorry mate but you are wasting your breath trying to bash me over the head with your razor like insight into how the SNP run the country, some things they have done well, some things they have not done so well, like every political party they have their faults. I have voted for them since the 70s because they were the only political party dedicated to the cause of Scottish independence and that is something dear to my heart, it doesn't mean I will agree with every move they make in power and in the case of independence being achieved I would fully expect the party to fragment into whatever the individual MPs MSPs and ordinary members driving political mindset is without the uniting cause of independence to hold them together.

    Sounds like you will vote for the SNP regardless of how they perform in Government? Perfectly reasonable if you rate getting independence above everything else.

    As for the trains ...... I don't know the ins and outs of how the rail network runs, though I am aware from events last week that the first minister is apparently to blame for an individual train breaking down and has to answer for it in the Holyrood chamber. The other thing I know is that through a number of Tory and Labour British and Scottish administrations I wasn't able to get a train from Galashiels to Edinburgh and now I can

    The Borders Railway proposal was commenced under a Lab/Lib coalition Govt in Scotland (and supported by all other parties I think) and then built by the SNP Government (again supported by all other parties I think). So, credit to them all I suppose. As for anything that is currently going well or badly in Scotland I think we can safely say it is almost all down to the SNP either way - after all they've been in power long enough for a generation of kids to have gone into and then come out of their entire Primary School education.

    Its also the case that a much needed 2nd road crossing over the Forth is nearing completion and that instead of grudgingly accepting that something has been achieved the folk who will bash the SNP no matter what they do made a big issue of the fact that steel from a plant that didn't actually produce the type of steel the bridge needed wasn't used in its construction.

    It might be the case that the SNP don't always achieve what they say they want to and it might even be the case that that's the result of poor planning, decision making or whatever .... but as far as I can see that doesn't set them apart from every other political party. I seem to remember the Tories and Labour saying that only staying in the union would guarantee our membership of the EU ... remind me how that went again.

    I agree. All the political parties are equally crap.

    Anyway ... all of this is a different argument and I'm not sure why folk, including me, are allowing you to draw them into it. The subject under discussion is the royal family and it doesn't matter if the country is being run by the SNP the Tories or an invading force of space aliens .... Having a head of state put in place by right of birth is a ridiculous concept in the 21st century and is indefensible.

    I'm not sure I agree with that. It is a ridiculous concept - but I'd certainly prefer the non-political Queen as Head of State to any one of Gordon Brown, William Hague, Nick Clegg, Alex Salmond or Nigel Farage. Another political layer of government? No thanks.

    I think the Queen or King as Head of State and the House of Lords are things that are utterly ridiculous. You wouldn't set them up if they weren't already there. I also think we'd probably come to regret it hugely if we replaced them with more elected politicians. It's a bit like the Winston Churchill thing: "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time'.

    Mind you he also said that the best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. Amen to that.

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    It's your theme tune bud, banged out every time there's any criticism. The SNP's version of 'Simply the Best'.

    Wee bit sensitive on the Humsa rail fiasco are we? I'm not surprised. It is very impressive that the SNP Govt have noticed it's not all sweetness and light - seeing as they've been running Scotland for the last 9 and a half years. Still, better late than never. Sort of like the trains I suppose.

    I couldn't care less who comes in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the May elections - because at the minute they're all crap. But then I'm not a Party hack tied into defending the Party's position at all costs. My vote is up for grabs.[/QUOTE]

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    It's your theme tune bud, banged out every time there's any criticism. The SNP's version of 'Simply the Best'.

    Wee bit sensitive on the Humsa rail fiasco are we? I'm not surprised. It is very impressive that the SNP Govt have noticed it's not all sweetness and light - seeing as they've been running Scotland for the last 9 and a half years. Still, better late than never. Sort of like the trains I suppose.

    I couldn't care less who comes in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the May elections - because at the minute they're all crap. But then I'm not a Party hack tied into defending the Party's position at all costs. My vote is up for grabs.
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    Top notch CyberNat posting of the highest order.
    Come on now 1DS, you're not the International socialist, you make yourself out to be?

    You're vote is up for grabs...Your words, nobody else's. Red Tories, Real Tories, what will it be this year.

    Nothing wrong with that, people move their votes around all the time, it's just that when someone is playing the International socialist card on here, then you'd think their vote would be confined to that movement, and not ready to be bought by the capitalist movement, or when the Henry Jackson society shows their knickers, you swoon and sign on the dotted line.

    Who'd a thunk it eh. Your games up.

    Remember now, your votes up for grabs. A parcel of rogues, right enough.

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    Come on now 1DS, you're not the International socialist, you make yourself out to be?

    You're vote is up for grabs...Your words, nobody else's. Red Tories, Real Tories, what will it be this year.

    Nothing wrong with that, people move their votes around all the time, it's just that when someone is playing the International socialist card on here, then you'd think their vote would be confined to that movement, and not ready to be bought by the capitalist movement, or when the Henry Jackson society shows their knickers, you swoon and sign on the dotted line.

    Who'd a thunk it eh. Your games up.

    Remember now, your votes up for grabs. A parcel of rogues, right enough.

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    You're getting a bit personal with ODS there, it's not why most people choose to debate on here. It's about playing the ball, not the man.

    I seem to remember however,that you posted on here that you had only 'converted' to the SNP a couple of years back.

    You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?
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    You're getting a bit personal with ODS there, it's not why most people choose to debate on here. It's about playing the ball, not the man.

    I seem to remember however,that you posted on here that you had only 'converted' to the SNP a couple of years back.

    You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?
    When Labour moved right, I stayed where I was. Green or SNP, and I decided to join the SNP, not the Tories.

    I asked 1DS to get the thread back on track, but he seemed to want to continue with the "Cybernat" theme. Up to him I suppose.

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    Come on now 1DS, you're not the International socialist, you make yourself out to be?

    You're vote is up for grabs...Your words, nobody else's. Red Tories, Real Tories, what will it be this year.

    Nothing wrong with that, people move their votes around all the time, it's just that when someone is playing the International socialist card on here, then you'd think their vote would be confined to that movement, and not ready to be bought by the capitalist movement, or when the Henry Jackson society shows their knickers, you swoon and sign on the dotted line.

    Who'd a thunk it eh. Your games up.

    Remember now, your votes up for grabs. A parcel of rogues, right enough.

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    When you posted saying about me: "Ah, you're a floater, thought as much." what were you implying? If it had been political you surely would would have referred to a floating voter? Now you've posted the above stream of consciousness.

    It's all straight from the CyberNat playbook. Defend the SNP at any cost regardless of circumstance or logic and when that doesn't work, well we see what comes next don't we?

    Perhaps you should stick to regurgitating SNP propaganda.
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    I'm not sure I agree with that. It is a ridiculous concept - but I'd certainly prefer the non-political Queen as Head of State to any one of Gordon Brown, William Hague, Nick Clegg, Alex Salmond or Nigel Farage. Another political layer of government? No thanks.

    I think the Queen or King as Head of State and the House of Lords are things that are utterly ridiculous. You wouldn't set them up if they weren't already there. I also think we'd probably come to regret it hugely if we replaced them with more elected politicians. It's a bit like the Winston Churchill thing: "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time'.

    Mind you he also said that the best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. Amen to that.
    As the very pinnacle of the old school tie system the queen is far from being non political .... She may not be able to express a preference, but who but the most deluded would argue that she is sympathetic to any party that promotes the cause of the monarchy and by definition any party that is best placed to stop her and her successors 'birth right' being diluted or taken away.

    She might not be openly 'political' but the guy waiting to fill her shoes certainly cant make that claim, he uses his position to try to influence everything from the GM crops argument to town planning ..... so much so that his interference caused a firm of architects in London to go bust when pressure from him against a building they were to design lost them the account resulting in folk losing their jobs. Its no wonder the royal family have fought so hard to supress publication of his never ending stream of letters to government ministers .... who knows what damage he will cause when he becomes CEO of House of Windsor Ltd.

    The question of whether the House of lords works or doesn't is immaterial. Its not acceptable in any circumstances to have an allegedly democratic system where the will of an elected government ( any elected government ) can be delayed or even circumvented by people whose only qualification to do so is to have fallen out of the right set of lady parts.
    Its even worse to pretend that you live in a secular or multi faith society where everybody is treated equally and then appoint 26 people to positions of power merely because they happen to be Bishops of the Church of England. I would claim to be religious to a reasonable extent, but I firmly believe Church and state should be separate entities.

    Because of the way the House of lords is structured to give it a majority of government appointed, as opposed to hereditary, peers we have the ludicrous situation of more and more peers being created as each party battles to maintain a balance, which means it costs more and more to keep the bloody place going.

    Look at this country ..... Far too many positions of power are held by Lord this and sir that and if they aren't born that way we have a system where people who make it to positions of power are drawn into the club by being awarded peerages and knighthoods. What's worse is that there is no doubt that far too many people in public life or business who should know better wont rock the political or social boat for fear of upsetting the 'establishment' risking the peerage or knighthood they so desperately crave being denied to them. Even if that's not the case a system which can promote such a perception is wrong.

    Power to the people !!!
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    You're getting a bit personal with ODS there, it's not why most people choose to debate on here. It's about playing the ball, not the man.

    I seem to remember however,that you posted on here that you had only 'converted' to the SNP a couple of years back.

    You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?
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    I doubt saying we would keep the queen would get folk to actually vote for independence, but not saying her erse is oot the windae post the vote is more likely to create less waves in certain circles. When Salmond said that AFAIK he was still SNP leader ... he has since been supplanted by the much more openly republican Sturgeon.

    Whatever the case as I said the question of whether to keep an unelected head of state ridiculously put in place by birth right in the event that Scotland did become independent would 100% be decided by a referendum ... it would be political suicide for any party in power, no matter who it was, to arbitrarily make the decision because they would open the door to reactionary action by the usual suspects, especially those of the FTP we arru peepul persuasion, but not just them. If the matter was decided by public vote you would probably still get a backlash from the more fervent royalist supporters, but it would be a lot harder if not impossible for them to justify any actions short of moaning on Facebook.

    As for the rest of your post ..... Sorry mate but you are wasting your breath trying to bash me over the head with your razor like insight into how the SNP run the country, some things they have done well, some things they have not done so well, like every political party they have their faults. I have voted for them since the 70s because they were the only political party dedicated to the cause of Scottish independence and that is something dear to my heart, it doesn't mean I will agree with every move they make in power and in the case of independence being achieved I would fully expect the party to fragment into whatever the individual MPs MSPs and ordinary members driving political mindset is without the uniting cause of independence to hold them together.

    As for the trains ...... I don't know the ins and outs of how the rail network runs, though I am aware from events last week that the first minister is apparently to blame for an individual train breaking down and has to answer for it in the Holyrood chamber. The other thing I know is that through a number of Tory and Labour British and Scottish administrations I wasn't able to get a train from Galashiels to Edinburgh and now I can

    Its also the case that a much needed 2nd road crossing over the Forth is nearing completion and that instead of grudgingly accepting that something has been achieved the folk who will bash the SNP no matter what they do made a big issue of the fact that steel from a plant that didn't actually produce the type of steel the bridge needed wasn't used in its construction.

    It might be the case that the SNP don't always achieve what they say they want to and it might even be the case that that's the result of poor planning, decision making or whatever .... but as far as I can see that doesn't set them apart from every other political party. I seem to remember the Tories and Labour saying that only staying in the union would guarantee our membership of the EU ... remind me how that went again.

    Anyway ... all of this is a different argument and I'm not sure why folk, including me, are allowing you to draw them into it. The subject under discussion is the royal family and it doesn't matter if the country is being run by the SNP the Tories or an invading force of space aliens .... Having a head of state put in place by right of birth is a ridiculous concept in the 21st century and is indefensible.
    Neither do the Tories, it seems.

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