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    Adam Curtis Hyper Normalisation

    Anyone watched this programme its on i player at present Found it very thougt provoking Some interesting Trump footage ,but its tracing of the Middle East back to Kissenger and Asad and thete different stances is fascinating n terms of thePaestinian issue and the rise and role of the suicide bombe in Politics in the middle east and beyond touching on Politics and Globalisation and the rise of Corporations and mutch more
    Would recommend it Havent enjoyed a programme like this for a long time


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    I watched it the other day, although I thought I had a decent grasp of certain things it certainly told me a lot that I had absolutely no clue about, as you say the parts abut Assad Snr, how suicide bombers came about etc were all new to me, thoroughly recommend it too

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    If it's anything like Still Lake it will be fantastic. It's illogical to think information isn't being manipulated by governments and corporations. It's inevitable. Luckily for them the term 'conspiracy theorist' has now been invented to use pejoratively at anyone trying to get a look at the real story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    If it's anything like Still Lake it will be fantastic. It's illogical to think information isn't being manipulated by governments and corporations. It's inevitable. Luckily for them the term 'conspiracy theorist' has now been invented to use pejoratively at anyone trying to get a look at the real story.
    That's what investigative journalism is for. Conspiracy theorist is more appropriately used in the context of eg people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

    Additionally I suspect that many with political agendas that they cannot substantiate with any sensible evidence enjoy deliberately moving into the territory of conspiracy theorist. It's so much easier to assert that your truth is being deliberately subverted by shadowy forces than having to demonstrate an empirical argument.

    I guess I'm saying that 'conspiracy theorist' used to have exclusively currency and use in precisely the terms you describe but that in the social media age it is now being re-engineered as a catch all cover for "I believe this but I can't/can't be bothered to prove it". It's almost as though by placing yourself in the conspiracy theorist corner you are saying to the world "we all know I'm right, it's just that the man is keeping the truth or evidence from us". That, for example, is precisely what I believe Trump is up to in many aspects of his campaign. Not least in his claims that the election is being rigged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Day Soon View Post
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    That's what investigative journalism is for. Conspiracy theorist is more appropriately used in the context of eg people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

    Additionally I suspect that many with political agendas that they cannot substantiate with any sensible evidence enjoy deliberately moving into the territory of conspiracy theorist. It's so much easier to assert that your truth is being deliberately subverted by shadowy forces than having to demonstrate an empirical argument.

    I guess I'm saying that 'conspiracy theorist' used to have exclusively currency and use in precisely the terms you describe but that in the social media age it is now being re-engineered as a catch all cover for "I believe this but I can't/can't be bothered to prove it". It's almost as though by placing yourself in the conspiracy theorist corner you are saying to the world "we all know I'm right, it's just that the man is keeping the truth or evidence from us". That, for example, is precisely what I believe Trump is up to in many aspects of his campaign. Not least in his claims that the election is being rigged.
    ...and Curtis stays well on the right side of the line between investigative journalism and conspiracy theory throughout, which is why he's such an effective director. He sticks to what he can prove and leaves the viewer to work out the rest.

    150 people celebrating a wedding were blown up by Saudi planes in the Yemen this week. The Saudis are our allies, we have military advisers there and they've bought £billions of Bae systems military hardware that is being used in a brutal and mostly unreported war. The BBC coverage the other night told us 'the UK Govt has called for a ceasefire' in the style of an unfortunate sad unavoidable reality, but with none of the context and absolutely nothing about how we're complicit in what's going on. It looks a lot like another proxy war.

    Which is why you need Curtis and Robert Fisk and those guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    ...and Curtis stays well on the right side of the line between investigative journalism and conspiracy theory throughout, which is why he's such an effective director. He sticks to what he can prove and leaves the viewer to work out the rest.

    150 people celebrating a wedding were blown up by Saudi planes in the Yemen this week. The Saudis are our allies, we have military advisers there and they've bought £billions of Bae systems military hardware that is being used in a brutal and mostly unreported war. The BBC coverage the other night told us 'the UK Govt has called for a ceasefire' in the style of an unfortunate sad unavoidable reality, but with none of the context and absolutely nothing about how we're complicit in what's going on. It looks a lot like another proxy war.

    Which is why you need Curtis and Robert Fisk and those guys.
    Robert Fisk on the battle for Mosul.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7365776.html

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