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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    It's not irrelevant...they are very good examples where laws that protect workers employment actually end up doing more harm than good. Great if you have a job for life and effectively can't be made redundant but not so great for the huge swathes of people that go unemployed because firms are too scared to hire.

    As for what I would change, no idea! It's wasn't me that is stating that these rights would be rolled back I was merely asking for evidence of what would suggest that such a roll back would happen due to alleged stinking attitudes.

    However one example might be HGV driver rules...I know a wee bit about these and they are so restrictive that an honest driver struggles to get any overtime..if they drive an extra shift at the weekend then it costs them time later. I'm not an expert in any way though but it does seem a tad unfair that people on low incomes are prevented from earning extra cash due to such prescriptive rules. Maybe they need to be so prescriptive for safety sake I dunno but as I said employment legislation is not in any way my specialised subject!
    Thanks. Interesting one about the lorries. Is this employment or health & safety, though? I'm no expert either.

    I get what you're saying about France/Italy, but the point is that they have protections beyond what we have in the UK. I don't think there is any demand for us to expand rights to that extent. My concern is that we will contract what we have. I think it is inevitable that it will happen. Our governments will only at their most liberal be centre-right and will be responsive to employers' requests to chip away at this and that.

    Depressing stuff!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Glory Lurker View Post
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    Thanks. Interesting one about the lorries. Is this employment or health & safety, though? I'm no expert either.

    I get what you're saying about France/Italy, but the point is that they have protections beyond what we have in the UK. I don't think there is any demand for us to expand rights to that extent. My concern is that we will contract what we have. I think it is inevitable that it will happen. Our governments will only at their most liberal be centre-right and will be responsive to employers' requests to chip away at this and that.

    Depressing stuff!
    Aye fair enough we all have our own perspective I suppose

    Personally I'm never wedded to the concept of what is in place can't be changed or improved especially when it's legislation and even more so when it's legislation that's came out of a decision making machine like the EU.

    As with everything though there is a balance to be struck esp. when it comes to employment rights and encouraging a flexible but well paid workforce. It's not an easy thing to get right so if there is change mooted I'm pretty open to hearing what it is and why before getting too depressed at the potential prospect of it.

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    FT leads tomorrow that UK is liable for 20bn share of joint financial liabilities. The good news keeps on coming. But you know, once we're past this tricky bit, we can get a trade deal with Australia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    Lidl and Aldi are German. They charge in Euros.

    We're doomed.
    Will a dose of inflation decrease the national debt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Will a dose of inflation decrease the national debt?
    Decreases everyone's debt...it's pretty much the only viable solution to a debt crisis and one we've not yet solved despite what Carney, Gideon or anyone else says.

    So inflation bad or inflation good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiMar View Post
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    It's not irrelevant...they are very good examples where laws that protect workers employment actually end up doing more harm than good. Great if you have a job for life and effectively can't be made redundant but not so great for the huge swathes of people that go unemployed because firms are too scared to hire.

    As for what I would change, no idea! It's wasn't me that is stating that these rights would be rolled back I was merely asking for evidence of what would suggest that such a roll back would happen due to alleged stinking attitudes.

    However one example might be HGV driver rules...I know a wee bit about these and they are so restrictive that an honest driver struggles to get any overtime..if they drive an extra shift at the weekend then it costs them time later. I'm not an expert in any way though but it does seem a tad unfair that people on low incomes are prevented from earning extra cash due to such prescriptive rules. Maybe they need to be so prescriptive for safety sake I dunno but as I said employment legislation is not in any way my specialised subject!
    define low income? if you mean lorry drivers, here is some enlightenment, average salary is around 25k, starting around 18.5k and rising to around 36k basic. or around 15 an hour. Well above the 'living wage'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    define low income? if you mean lorry drivers, here is some enlightenment, average salary is around 25k, starting around 18.5k and rising to around 36k basic. or around 15 an hour. Well above the 'living wage'
    Tanker drivers possibly, most class 1 drivers(or what was class 1) are earning between 9-12 per hour so not exactly the 36k per year you quote, years ago yes the money was there, not so much now

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    Tesco having negotiation 'issues' with unilever, so letting stock run out
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37639518

    Not a direct impact of impending brexit, it's fallout from currency issues. what a ****ing mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superhibi1 View Post
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    Tanker drivers possibly, most class 1 drivers(or what was class 1) are earning between 9-12 per hour so not exactly the 36k per year you quote, years ago yes the money was there, not so much now
    This is one of the sites I found info.

    Income

    Starting salaries can be between 18,000 and 22,000 a year. With experience, this can rise to between 23,000 and 28,000.

    Drivers of specialist fuel and chemical tankers can earn between 27,000 and 35,000 a year.

    Overtime can increase these figures.
    https://nationalcareersservice.direc...cledriver.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    This is one of the sites I found info.


    https://nationalcareersservice.direc...cledriver.aspx
    So pretty much what i said then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by superhibi1 View Post
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    So pretty much what i said then!
    starting salary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    starting salary.
    Im a logistics manager so i know what the going rate is believe me

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    Carney showing again today that it's inflation at all costs...his words are typical central banker but his joy at the prospect of inflation finally arriving back on our shores is clear to see...and he's already quite happy for it to overshoot his 2% target.

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    Is there a case to bring back direct control of the BoE back into government / parliament?

    Should somebody so central to all our wellbeing really be unaccountable to our government and our parliament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Is there a case to bring back direct control of the BoE back into government / parliament?

    Should somebody so central to all our wellbeing really be unaccountable to our government and our parliament?
    I suppose he is appointed by the Prime Minister so is independent only in name.

    You also have to remember he who has the biggest debt wins the biggest with his polices....wonder who that could be...

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    The bottom line is costs to your average man in the street will shoot upwards, and business is rarely quick to raise salaries to compensate, regardless off any increased profits.

    This isn't a good thing.

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