Not specifically targeting them for anything other than they set really high standards for themselves that I think they are falling well short off at the moment.
McGinn kept trying to hold off about 3 men before losing possession rather than pass a simple ball. Worrying thing for me is he kept doing this over and over again.
McGeouch is obviously a good player but is either injured or carrying an injury. He looked off the pace and was knackered towards the end of the first half - couldn't keep with his man and visibly looked fatigued. Unfortunately he also took a touch like an elephant when played in via a great pass by Hanlon.
Fyvie has been OK and what is quite concerning is that Fyvie and Bartley have probably been our most consistent performers this season. The rest have been like yo-yos.
Midfield must improve.
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03-10-2016 11:35 AM #1madhatterLeft by mutual consent!
McGeouch and McGinn
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03-10-2016 11:38 AM #2
Our midfield is without doubt the strongest part of our team , our best players are McGinn and McGeough , but we are effectively playing with 4 central midfield players.
Neither McGinn nor McGeough influence the game anywhere near as much playing out wide in the diamond as they would if played in the centre.
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03-10-2016 11:41 AM #3
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03-10-2016 11:43 AM #4
Midfield SHOULD be the strongest area of our team but we didn't dominate it nearly enough as we should have done against a team that were missing 2 or 3 first choice central midfielders.
I don't think central midfield in itself is so much the problem but the balance of the team - if we move better and create space for them, the midfielders will play much better.
I thought all 4 were well short of the level they are capable of yesterday though.
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which should then be making space for others, the team really does seem quite disjointed at times
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03-10-2016 11:46 AM #8
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He needs to go with the 2 best cm and not shoehorn players into the team!!
Or
433 - Fyvie, McGinn, McGeouch/Shinnie. Cummimgs, Keatings and Holt/Graham?
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03-10-2016 11:51 AM #9
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03-10-2016 11:52 AM #10
If these 2 played as a CM pairing with 2 wingers outside them, it would be a completely different story. The diamond doesnt suit them.
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03-10-2016 11:53 AM #11madhatterLeft by mutual consent!
Thing we truly miss is overlaps and aggressive wing play.
I also think that McGeouch and McGinn are our best midfielders but are probably performing at their worst at the moment.
McGinn should realise he is being heavily marked and release the ball faster.
McGeouch needs to shift his perma injury.
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03-10-2016 11:55 AM #12madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Get those two in the middle with two pacey/dangerous wingers.
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03-10-2016 12:05 PM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
4-4-2 or a 4-4-1-1 with Mcgeouch and Fyvie in the middle with Boyle wide right, Keatings wide left and Shinnie in behind Graham/Holt.
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03-10-2016 12:12 PM #15
McGinn had a stinker yesterday no doubt about it, even his passing was off when he did break free from his markers. But the guy is a quality player and he will regain his form.
McGeouch did run out of steam, but as usual when he was on the ball his first thought was to head towards the opposition final third, I for one would like to see him further forward, he is probably our best midfielder running with the ball, but it doesn't make him much of an attacking threat if he has to beat 3 players just to reach the final 3rd of the park.
Screw this diamond formation .... lets go 442 or 433 ... we might not have many wingers, but I would stick money on both McGeouch or McGinn to beat just about any fullback in this league if they were played in a wide forward position. Give it a try, even if its for the Irn Bru cup game, you never know what might happen.
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03-10-2016 12:58 PM #16madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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They're not identical but they're all primarily Centre Mids rather than attacking of defensive ones.
They drive forward reasonably well but with limited capacity for beating a man and they're more solid passers rather than killer balls.
None of them seem to shoot from distance or be particularly good with a dead ball.
Don't get me wrong - I really like all three of them but not sure all three in the midfield is what we need to get out of this division.
It puts all the attacking onto Shinnie (or whoever we play up there) plus Gray and Stevenson who there's been much debate about their crossing.
Maybe time we rethink and accept that Stevenson and Gray are full backs who occasionally overlap.
Stick 2 out of 3 of McGinn, McGeough and Fyvie in Centre Midfield with Stevenson and Gray moving to make a four when we're attacking.
Then play 3 attack minded players behind a single out and out striker.
Against the poor teams we should beat play Cummings with Boyle-Shinnie-Keatings behind him.
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03-10-2016 03:18 PM #18
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# might need to have a wee look at the Cup Final to investigate...
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In my defence that was an exceptional game and we had Stokes up front looking good so perhaps not the template to base things on.
I also think they *could* work together but it's heavily dependent on Gray and Stevenson providing the width.
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We play far to narrow, our midfield is made up of central midfielders, we need more balance.
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03-10-2016 05:46 PM #22
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