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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    I totally agree.

    The fact that the Labour Party went with Ed Miliband then Jeremy Corbyn might be the most damaging decisions ever to afflict the UK.

    It is shameful that the Tories have been able to inflict what they have on this country over the past few years without the Labour Party managing to lay a glove on them.
    Meanwhile 3rd placed Yvette Cooper regularly tears the Maybot a new one in committee and in the HoC!!

    The Tories must think they are blessed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    Every time I see Andy Burnham on TV I can't help wonder why he is playing at town councillors rather than leading the Labour Party to election victory.
    Agree about Andy Burnham, I've always quite liked him.

    He is also pretty normal for a politician. He heard him talk about being at the stone roses famous Blackpool tower gig. Struck me as a bit more relatable than being fellated by a dead pig in Oxford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    Every time I see Andy Burnham on TV I can't help wonder why he is playing at town councillors rather than leading the Labour Party to election victory.
    Agree, or David Miliband stepping back from the UK to help fix this mess. Problem is the band of die hard Corbyn supporters who are totally blinkered and think that anything bad said about him is just the right wing media stirring it. Reality is he's not laid a glove on the most incompetent Tory government in my living memory, and has absolutely no chance of winning an election.

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    I totally agree.

    The fact that the Labour Party went with Ed Miliband then Jeremy Corbyn might be the most damaging decisions ever to afflict the UK.

    It is shameful that the Tories have been able to inflict what they have on this country over the past few years without the Labour Party managing to lay a glove on them.
    What's even more shameful is Britain has turned into a country where enough people believe all unemployed are scroungers, all foreigners are stealing OUR jobs, it's OK for disabled people to be starved of money, it's OK for the police, schools, hospitals, councils, libraries and on and on to be severely underfunded. These are the ****s who vote the Evil ones in.

    Before someone says I shouldn't talk because I don't live here, I work in the UK, pay UK tax and have worked with and fought alongside, good British workers to secure the rights this bunch of *******s are dismantling piece by piece.

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    Corbyn canít seem to get on top of this anti semitism narrative thatís been dogging him and Labour for months.

    Iíve not followed it overly closely and wow is that subject / Israel / Palestine a tangled web with vocal and vociferous proponents and opponents in all camps but none the less he does seem to be coming across as struggling to convince.

    We really have been unfortunate to have May and Corbyn at the same time, both promoted stunningly far beyond their level of competence.

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    Just putting this out there for people to make up their minds

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    Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

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    Roy Hattersley in today's Guardian:

    He said: ďFaced with the most incompetent government this century, Labour should be 20 points ahead on the opinion polls. But because of a combination of its own incompetence and its enthusiasm for ideological claptrap, it is squandering its chance of winning the next election. It has to change or it will become a political irrelevance.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    Roy Hattersley in today's Guardian:

    He said: ďFaced with the most incompetent government this century, Labour should be 20 points ahead on the opinion polls. But because of a combination of its own incompetence and its enthusiasm for ideological claptrap, it is squandering its chance of winning the next election. It has to change or it will become a political irrelevance.Ē
    Just what everyone has been saying.

    The truth is that the only reason they're not totally irrelevant now is precisely because the Tories are in such a mess.

    If the referendum had gone the other way and Cameron was still in charge, Labour with Jezza would be polling in the 20s again.

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    Jeremy's a good decent man one who stands up for his principles and beliefs. Often good men like Jeremy don't always come across that well and aren't afforded fair press coverage.

    I'm very comfortable with the polling just now as its standing up despite the unfair press criticism and is highly likely to significantly increase.

    Additionally, if Jeremy were to be replaced by a person who is better placed to put out the Labour message and given fair press coverage the polling would rocket up unlike the snp who're garbage at governance and led by the non inspiring lawyer head nodding sturgedirge.

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    I was thinking about who to vote for, and then I discovered a party where they call their opponents names like Sturgedire, and I thought, "that's just the sort of intellectual insight that we need to take us forward."

    Sadly, as things stand, it might just be enough.

    Mon the Bread and Circuses :)

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    I was thinking about who to vote for, and then I discovered a party where they call their opponents names like Sturgedire, and I thought, "that's just the sort of intellectual insight that we need to take us forward."

    Sadly, as things stand, it might just be enough.

    Mon the Bread and Circuses :)
    The sturgedirge kind of suits sturgeon. Sturgeon's bland, boring and non inspiring. The voice grates very quickly and is so very monotonous.

    Scotland desperately requires a change of direction at Holyrood and Richard Leonard's Scottish Labour Party is well worth checking out. Richard's a decent upstanding person of excellent background and a man of principle who will fight for social justice, folk facing hardship, increasing benefits, protecting the NHS and jobs all across Scotland among many other very worthwhile causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    The sturgedirge kind of suits sturgeon. Sturgeon's bland, boring and non inspiring. The voice grates very quickly and is so very monotonous.

    Scotland desperately requires a change of direction at Holyrood and Richard Leonard's Scottish Labour Party is well worth checking out. Richard's a decent upstanding person of excellent background and a man of principle who will fight for social justice, folk facing hardship, increasing benefits, protecting the NHS and jobs all across Scotland among many other very worthwhile causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    the scottish labour party is populated by raving looneys

    mon the looneys
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    #Persevered
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    I wouldn't go that far but given the opportunity I'm certain Richard Leonard's Scottish Labour Party would be a vast improvement on the snp who're only there for one singular purpose which is to separate Scotland off from the rest of the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    The sturgedirge kind of suits sturgeon. Sturgeon's bland, boring and non inspiring. The voice grates very quickly and is so very monotonous
    I'm sure the irony of your last sentence will be completely lost on you, but not to everyone else who has to suffer your rsmblings

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    The sturgedirge kind of suits sturgeon. Sturgeon's bland, boring and non inspiring. The voice grates very quickly and is so very monotonous.

    Scotland desperately requires a change of direction at Holyrood and Richard Leonard's Scottish Labour Party is well worth checking out. Richard's a decent upstanding person of excellent background and a man of principle who will fight for social justice, folk facing hardship, increasing benefits, protecting the NHS and jobs all across Scotland among many other very worthwhile causes.

    Mon Scottish Labour


    Is he, aye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Jeremy's a good decent man one who stands up for his principles and beliefs. Often good men like Jeremy don't always come across that well and aren't afforded fair press coverage.

    I'm very comfortable with the polling just now as its standing up despite the unfair press criticism and is highly likely to significantly increase.

    Additionally, if Jeremy were to be replaced by a person who is better placed to put out the Labour message and given fair press coverage the polling would rocket up unlike the snp who're garbage at governance and led by the non inspiring lawyer head nodding sturgedirge.

    Mon Scottish Labour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    Jumped before he was pushed/deselected but no doubt Mr Corbyns opponents will try and have a field day.

    Unfortunately for them, this is only galvanising his vast support as they can see through all this claptrap.

    Tick tock indeed. 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
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    Jumped before he was pushed/deselected but no doubt Mr Corbyns opponents will try and have a field day.

    Unfortunately for them, this is only galvanising his vast support as they can see through all this claptrap.

    Tick tock indeed.
    Frank Field is a 40 year veteran of the commons.

    While Iíve often disagreed with his politics there is no doubt he has fought for what he sees a Labours principles for a long time. To simply attempt to brush his criticism under the carpet as Ďclaptrapí is rather symptomatic of Momentum.

    This is a guy who actually put Corbyn forward in the leadership election yet now when shining a light on some of the goings on in the party is dismissed as someone who was just looking for an excuse to resign.

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    I find it interesting that many are claiming that Corbyn has not laid a glove on May. Corbyn stopped a Tory majority. It was the failure of the SNP thatís allowed the Tories to stay in power. The gains the Tories made in Scotland made it possible for May to stay in power after she bought of the DUP. We are living it extreme times, the constitution of Scotland, the UK, trade wars, the demise of the EU, UN and WTO are all up in the air just now. Every major political party seems to be in turmoil. History will judge this period as the most problematic since WW2

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    I find it interesting that many are claiming that Corbyn has not laid a glove on May. Corbyn stopped a Tory majority. It was the failure of the SNP thatís allowed the Tories to stay in power. The gains the Tories made in Scotland made it possible for May to stay in power after she bought of the DUP. We are living it extreme times, the constitution of Scotland, the UK, trade wars, the demise of the EU, UN and WTO are all up in the air just now. Every major political party seems to be in turmoil. History will judge this period as the most problematic since WW2
    Aren't you forgetting the 3.3million votes lost by UKIP between 2015 and 2017? I'm sure none went to the SNP or Greens but were divided up between Tory and Labour. Indeed the Labour vote rose by 3.5million
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    I find it interesting that many are claiming that Corbyn has not laid a glove on May. Corbyn stopped a Tory majority. It was the failure of the SNP thatís allowed the Tories to stay in power. The gains the Tories made in Scotland made it possible for May to stay in power after she bought of the DUP. We are living it extreme times, the constitution of Scotland, the UK, trade wars, the demise of the EU, UN and WTO are all up in the air just now. Every major political party seems to be in turmoil. History will judge this period as the most problematic since WW2
    Wow, just wow. So it was the SNP who lost Labour the last election, the SNP who were happy to see Tories get seats in Scotland as long as it wasn't the SNP? Labour and the Tories were very cosy in the last election in fact there were loads of examples of tactical voting where Labour supporters voted Tory to keep the SNP at bay. In Clackmannanshire we have a Tory for the first time in decades, second was the SNP, Labour no where as some of the Labour party support voted Tory. I know from experience that it's true as members of my family have admitted to doing it. Stop blaming others for Labours slide into mediocrity. Poor leadership, splintered grass roots, not sure whether they are socialist or not, anti Semitic or not, anti Islam or not, anti Brexit or not. There is one infamous poster on here who just spouts rhetoric and never puts any decent argument forward nor answers any questions and he is symptomatic of Labour

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    And another thing, even if the SNP hadn't lost seats to the Tories. Labour had consistently said that they wouldn't work with the SNP to work against the Tories after the election. So in fact yet again Labour showed their true colours about who they see themselves being closer to

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    Quote Originally Posted by weecounty hibby View Post
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    Wow, just wow. So it was the SNP who lost Labour the last election, the SNP who were happy to see Tories get seats in Scotland as long as it wasn't the SNP? Labour and the Tories were very cosy in the last election in fact there were loads of examples of tactical voting where Labour supporters voted Tory to keep the SNP at bay. In Clackmannanshire we have a Tory for the first time in decades, second was the SNP, Labour no where as some of the Labour party support voted Tory. I know from experience that it's true as members of my family have admitted to doing it. Stop blaming others for Labours slide into mediocrity. Poor leadership, splintered grass roots, not sure whether they are socialist or not, anti Semitic or not, anti Islam or not, anti Brexit or not. There is one infamous poster on here who just spouts rhetoric and never puts any decent argument forward nor answers any questions and he is symptomatic of Labour
    That bit in bold is a nice wee comfort blanket for SNP supporters to hang on to but there is very little evidence to back it up. If it were true then the SNP vote would have held up, the Labour vote would have fallen significantly and the Tory vote would have increased by a similar amount. What actually happened was the Labour vote held up, the SNP lost votes and the Tories gained votes roughly in line with the SNP losses. The SNP lost seats because people didn't like their policies and many people who had supported them previously switched directly to the Tories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    That bit in bold is a nice wee comfort blanket for SNP supporters to hang on to but there is very little evidence to back it up. If it were true then the SNP vote would have held up, the Labour vote would have fallen significantly and the Tory vote would have increased by a similar amount. What actually happened was the Labour vote held up, the SNP lost votes and the Tories gained votes roughly in line with the SNP losses. The SNP lost seats because people didn't like their policies and many people who had supported them previously switched directly to the Tories.
    There was an amount of targeted tactical voting here in Perth and North Perthshire to try to unseat Pete Wishart in 2017. It almost worked. I know Lib Dem members who were actively campaigning for the Tory candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    There was an amount of targeted tactical voting here in Perth and North Perthshire to try to unseat Pete Wishart in 2017. It almost worked. I know Lib Dem members who were actively campaigning for the Tory candidate.
    An amount of tactical voting by Lib Dems then, not Labour? The plot thickens
    Who did the SNP lose all those votes across the country to then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    An amount of tactical voting by Lib Dems then, not Labour? The plot thickens
    Who did the SNP lose all those votes across the country to then?
    I can assure you it happened as I say, family members of mine admitted to doing it. Anyway the main point is Labour want to blame anyone but Labour for them being inadequate. The point about them saying they would not work with the SNP still stands as well. Even if Scotland had return it's full compliment of MPs as SNP Labour said they would not work with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    An amount of tactical voting by Lib Dems then, not Labour? The plot thickens
    Who did the SNP lose all those votes across the country to then?
    A quick look at the results shows the following gains across all parties

    Con from SNP 12
    Labour gain from SNP 6
    Lib Dem gain from SNP 3

    It is also worth noting the turnout was down from over 70% to 66%

    The point about the Lib Dems going out canvassing for the Tories in Perth and North Perthshire was that it was a case of 'Anyone but SNP', in the city the Labour supporters were doing the same, just where I am Labour voters are rarer than a Unicorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weecounty hibby View Post
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    I can assure you it happened as I say, family members of mine admitted to doing it. Anyway the main point is Labour want to blame anyone but Labour for them being inadequate. The point about them saying they would not work with the SNP still stands as well. Even if Scotland had return it's full compliment of MPs as SNP Labour said they would not work with them.
    Corbyn had a nice wee mutter about evil press barons at the Festival recently. All adds to the narrative..

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