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    Labour abstaining from the vote on the devolution amendments in Westminster.
    So this is what the Labour Party think of devolution - standing idly by while previously devolved powers are removed by the Conservatives.
    I hope the Scottish electorate remembers this at the next elections.
    Just when you think they can't sink any further. I genuinely haven't a clue what purpose the Labour party has any more, because we'd be as well saving the salaries of their 200 odd MPs at Westminster because as the main opposition they achieve/do absolutely nothing. I almost hate them as much the tories.


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    Labour abstaining from the vote on the devolution amendments in Westminster.
    So this is what the Labour Party think of devolution - standing idly by while previously devolved powers are removed by the Conservatives.
    I hope the Scottish electorate remembers this at the next elections.
    Bizarre when Labour at Holyrood (who’s their leader again? ) voted to reject Uk gov seizing powers in devolved areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Bizarre when Labour at Holyrood (who’s their leader again? ) voted to reject Uk gov seizing powers in devolved areas.
    It proves that the UK Labour party are just like the Tories and don't care one little bit for Scotland. Even when Scottish Labour can see the benefits for Scotland the big boys down south pull rank

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby View Post
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    Just when you think they can't sink any further. I genuinely haven't a clue what purpose the Labour party has any more, because we'd be as well saving the salaries of their 200 odd MPs at Westminster because as the main opposition they achieve/do absolutely nothing. I almost hate them as much the tories.
    That's the radical, progressive, Jeremy and co, giving Theresa a helping hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby View Post
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    Just when you think they can't sink any further. I genuinely haven't a clue what purpose the Labour party has any more, because we'd be as well saving the salaries of their 200 odd MPs at Westminster because as the main opposition they achieve/do absolutely nothing. I almost hate them as much the tories.
    IMO, these days they are actually worse than the Tories. At least you know what you're up against and what to expect from the Con-men. The old Lab guard would be appalled if they could see the total lack of spine in Labour these days. A total wimp of a Party. The Tories have been lying on the rack for some time and all Labour can do is lick their wounds for them. Unbelievable scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    Labour abstaining from the vote on the devolution amendments in Westminster.
    So this is what the Labour Party think of devolution - standing idly by while previously devolved powers are removed by the Conservatives.
    I hope the Scottish electorate remembers this at the next elections.
    Makes you wonder which UK government legislated for devolution in the first place.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    Makes you wonder which UK government legislated for devolution in the first place.......
    I’m not sure what point you are making.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    Makes you wonder which UK government legislated for devolution in the first place.......

    Because it suited them at the time. Now they're even going against the wishes of their own party in that devolved parliament and the mask has slipped showing their true contempt of the Scottish people. But hey ho, there's no homogenous Scottish interest anyway so what does it matter what the people there think anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    Because it suited them at the time. Now they're even going against the wishes of their own party in that devolved parliament and the mask has slipped showing their true contempt of the Scottish people. But hey ho, there's no homogenous Scottish interest anyway so what does it matter what the people there think anyway.
    Oh please, "...true contempt", really?

    I'm no fan of Corbyn or his acolytes, as has been made clear and I'm obviously not a May fan but it's infantile to sloganise about people having 'true contempt' for other people.

    Most people are in politics because they believe in a way of making things better. Depending on their viewpoint there's room for massive disagreement about how that's achieved.

    Talking about people disguising a 'true contempt for the Scottish people' takes us right back to the referendum result when you were furious that people could have dared vote 'No' and were obviously stupid, wrong or manipulated.

    They weren't. They just didn't buy into your way of thinking. Deal with it.
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    Makes you wonder which UK government legislated for devolution in the first place.......
    The one that wanted to kill nationalism stone dead?

    Didn’t get rid of nationalistic tendencies though, eh?

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    The one that wanted to kill nationalism stone dead?

    Didn’t get rid of nationalistic tendencies though, eh?
    Nationalism never disappears but always appeals to the weak-minded and resentful
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    The one that wanted to kill nationalism stone dead?

    Didn’t get rid of nationalistic tendencies though, eh?
    Ha ha, I do still love that quote, so descriptive of the arrogance and complacency with which Labour used to deal with scotland.

    I believe though at the time it was an internal sop to Donald Dewar- Blair was apparently very reluctant, maybe he was a touch more prescient than Robertson...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    Oh please, "...true contempt", really?

    I'm no fan of Corbyn or his acolytes, as has been made clear and I'm obviously not a May fan but it's infantile to sloganise about people having 'true contempt' for other people.

    Most people are in politics because they believe in a way of making things better. Depending on their viewpoint there's room for massive disagreement about how that's achieved.

    Talking about people disguising a 'true contempt for the Scottish people' takes us right back to the referendum result when you were furious that people could have dared vote 'No' and were obviously stupid, wrong or manipulated.

    They weren't. They just didn't buy into your way of thinking. Deal with it.
    I'm fine with contempt. An antonym of contempt is respect and the Westminster Labour overlords showed the opinion of their Scottish counterparts none. Semantics doesn't change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I'm fine with contempt. An antonym of contempt is respect and the Westminster Labour overlords showed the opinion of their Scottish counterparts none. Semantics doesn't change that.
    “Westminster overlords”, come on, please.

    if you weren’t trying so hard iwith the cartoon language it would maybe be more convincing.

    You were exactly the same after the referendum, torn between calling the majority of the Scottish electorate victims or cowards.

    They didn’t agree with you and didnt buy your notion of being hard done by, or oppressed. They exercised choice. Deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    “Westminster overlords”, come on, please.

    if you weren’t trying so hard iwith the cartoon language it would maybe be more convincing.

    You were exactly the same after the referendum, torn between calling the majority of the Scottish electorate victims or cowards.

    They didn’t agree with you and didnt buy your notion of being hard done by, or oppressed. They exercised choice. Deal with it.

    I for one welcome our new alien/Labour/non-Awesome/overlords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    Nationalism never disappears but always appeals to the weak-minded and resentful
    Who does freedom as opposed to suppression appeal to then? Just wondering.

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    Watching Sturgeon's performances at First Minister's Questions is very sore to bear. She sounds negative, always ultra defensive, body language is off putting and extremely non inspiring. Tired and needs replaced as Scotland deserves so much better.

    On the other hand Scottish Labour sounds sharp and focused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Watching Sturgeon's performances at First Minister's Questions is very sore to bear. She sounds negative, always ultra defensive, body language is off putting and extremely non inspiring. Tired and needs replaced as Scotland deserves so much better.

    On the other hand Scottish Labour sounds sharp and focused.

    Mon Scottish Labour!

    Any ideas as to why the energetic and vibrant Scottish Labour party are losing opinion poll ratings compared to the tired and uninspiring SNP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Watching Sturgeon's performances at First Minister's Questions is very sore to bear. She sounds negative, always ultra defensive, body language is off putting and extremely non inspiring. Tired and needs replaced as Scotland deserves so much better.

    On the other hand Scottish Labour sounds sharp and focused.

    Mon Scottish Labour!



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    Any ideas as to why the energetic and vibrant Scottish Labour party are losing opinion poll ratings compared to the tired and uninspiring SNP?
    Interesting snippet from the latest Yougov poll. When asked "Do you think that Richard Leonard is doing well or badly as leader of the Scottish Labour party?" 57% *of Labour voters* said "Don't know".

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Interesting snippet from the latest Yougov poll. When asked "Do you think that Richard Leonard is doing well or badly as leader of the Scottish Labour party?" 57% *of Labour voters* said "Don't know".
    24% said "Who?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Watching Sturgeon's performances at First Minister's Questions is very sore to bear. She sounds negative, always ultra defensive, body language is off putting and extremely non inspiring. Tired and needs replaced as Scotland deserves so much better.

    On the other hand Scottish Labour sounds sharp and focused.

    Mon Scottish Labour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Watching Sturgeon's performances at First Minister's Questions is very sore to bear. She sounds negative, always ultra defensive, body language is off putting and extremely non inspiring. Tired and needs replaced as Scotland deserves so much better.

    On the other hand Scottish Labour sounds sharp and focused.

    Mon Scottish Labour!

    To be fair, Scottish Labour would be a better bet than the "sit on our hands" Westminster version. What was their justification for abstaining earlier this week?

    And, do you think it would be better for all if there was a separate party in Scotland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Interesting snippet from the latest Yougov poll. When asked "Do you think that Richard Leonard is doing well or badly as leader of the Scottish Labour party?" 57% *of Labour voters* said "Don't know".
    That's quite surprising. I 'd have thought that about that percentage would have said "Who?"

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    That's quite surprising. I 'd have thought that about that percentage would have said "Who?"
    And that was just from within his own MSPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    To be fair, Scottish Labour would be a better bet than the "sit on our hands" Westminster version. What was their justification for abstaining earlier this week?

    And, do you think it would be better for all if there was a separate party in Scotland?
    If we got independence first .

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    To be fair, Scottish Labour would be a better bet than the "sit on our hands" Westminster version. What was their justification for abstaining earlier this week?

    And, do you think it would be better for all if there was a separate party in Scotland?
    Wouldn't you be better putting questions to your party leader Sturgeon asking why she drones on, why the ridiculous body language and why she always sounds so negative, ultra defensive and completely uninspiring.

    In stark contrast both Labour leaders at Westminster and Holyrood are in a different league to the drone and bottomless pit of negativity that is Sturgeon.

    Both Labour leaders are active in fighting poverty, ensuring a decent standard of benefits will be assured and fighting inequality among many other very worthwhile ideals.

    Labour is the party to replace the tired and out of ideas Snp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Wouldn't you be better putting questions to your party leader Sturgeon asking why she drones on, why the ridiculous body language and why she always sounds so negative, ultra defensive and completely uninspiring.

    In stark contrast both Labour leaders at Westminster and Holyrood are in a different league to the drone and bottomless pit of negativity that is Sturgeon.

    Both Labour leaders are active in fighting poverty, ensuring a decent standard of benefits will be assured and fighting inequality among many other very worthwhile ideals.

    Labour is the party to replace the tired and out of ideas Snp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgnsh70 View Post
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    Watching Sturgeon's performances at First Minister's Questions is very sore to bear. She sounds negative, always ultra defensive, body language is off putting and extremely non inspiring. Tired and needs replaced as Scotland deserves so much better.

    On the other hand Scottish Labour sounds sharp and focused.

    Mon Scottish Labour!

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    Was it Scottish Labour that questioned the first minister on the Growth Commission at FMQ?
    Well, I'm waiting for your response on whether it was the wonderful Leopard that raised questions today at FMQ on the Growth Commission?
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