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    Quote Originally Posted by pacoluna View Post
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    Laird using her Qs to attack the SNP in scottish questions at WM instead of attacking Mundell. They are an absolute shambles... will they never learn.

    "labour voters probably now googling to find out who laird actually is"
    They all are. Every unionist MP sent back from Scotland to Westminster is using all their time and questions to stick the knife into the SNP. For unionists, then don't seem to be too concerned about the wider issues impacting the whole of the UK.


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    Interesting piece here in the Scotsman regarding the tactics used by Labour during the recent GE.

    https://t.co/paKFFw78ly

    "Scottish Labour’s campaign strategy ‘tacitly’ helped the Conservatives increase their vote in Scotland at the general election, a report by a left-wing pressure group has found. A paper by the Campaign for Socialism (CFS) said Scottish Labour strategists were “stuck in a Better Together mindset” and did not effectively challenge the Conservatives’ record at Westminster ahead of the snap election on June 6. The report by former MSP Lesley Brennan argued that by focusing attacks on the SNP, the Tories increased their vote by 5,500 on average across constituencies north of the border - enough for them to win 13 seats, their highest total since 1983".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Interesting piece here in the Scotsman regarding the tactics used by Labour during the recent GE.

    https://t.co/paKFFw78ly

    "Scottish Labour’s campaign strategy ‘tacitly’ helped the Conservatives increase their vote in Scotland at the general election, a report by a left-wing pressure group has found. A paper by the Campaign for Socialism (CFS) said Scottish Labour strategists were “stuck in a Better Together mindset” and did not effectively challenge the Conservatives’ record at Westminster ahead of the snap election on June 6. The report by former MSP Lesley Brennan argued that by focusing attacks on the SNP, the Tories increased their vote by 5,500 on average across constituencies north of the border - enough for them to win 13 seats, their highest total since 1983".
    So it's still Labours fault that the SNP lost so many voters to the Tories? These 'interesting' articles must be a real comfort to the faithful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    So it's still Labours fault that the SNP lost so many voters to the Tories? These 'interesting' articles must be a real comfort to the faithful.
    I think what it's saying is that with a better campaign Labour could have picked up more of the lost SNP votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I think what it's saying is that with a better campaign Labour could have picked up more of the lost SNP votes.
    That's fair comment. The SNP really need to address just why they lost voters to the Tories though rather than taking comfort in Labour's failings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    So it's still Labours fault that the SNP lost so many voters to the Tories? These 'interesting' articles must be a real comfort to the faithful.
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    That's fair comment. The SNP really need to address just why they lost voters to the Tories though rather than taking comfort in Labour's failings.
    Can we not just focus on the facts. You seem to want everything to be about the SNP these days. This is about what Labour did, on a Labour thread.

    I'm sure the SNP will have a root and branch investigation into what went wrong with their election campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Can we not just focus on the facts. You seem to want everything to be about the SNP these days. This is about what Labour did, on a Labour thread.

    I'm sure the SNP will have a root and branch investigation into what went wrong with their election campaign.
    The facts? Post some then rather than 'interesting' opinion pieces. I am sure you shared it because of your concern for the Labour Party though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    The facts? Post some then rather than 'interesting' opinion pieces. I am sure you shared it because of your concern for the Labour Party though.
    I posted it as an "Interesting piece".

    I do like to keep up with the Labour shenanigans though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    I posted it as an "Interesting piece".

    I do like to keep up with the Labour shenanigans though.
    I look forward to you posting up an 'interesting' piece that doesn't fit in with your world view then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    I look forward to you posting up an 'interesting' piece that doesn't fit in with your world view then.
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    People will believe what they want to believe, and confirmation bias is the name of the game on this thread, but there is no simple, convenient explanation for how the electorate voted last month.

    This article, for example says that the SNP lost votes to Labour because of United's leadership campaign.

    "And in Scotland, the left-wing union’s membership backed Labour ahead of the SNP for the first time in years.

    Our survey showed that there has been an increase in Labour’s vote among Unite members - particularly in Scotland. For the first time in recent years, Labour is ahead of the SNP amongst our members,” the report says."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0e79ec1983c23
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    Thoughtful article from a left wing perspective (warning: no SNP-Scot Labour bun fight content)

    https://medium.com/@DarrellChaloner/...t-e1f23ddd38cc

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    a stunningly accurate article about corbyn and the fantasy party's manifesto, although articles like this really should have been in the media at the time the loony party offered the fantasy manifesto to the nation in the lead-up to the GE, ,instead of running along with the corbyn tidal wave of hooked young voters


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/410665...ng-supporters/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    I only think it's interesting in terms of how it's being reported. Ian Murray, when he's mentioned his own leadership at all, has been critical of it. So theres a well known context. There is a vote to decide the PLP chair candidate, Murray wins the vote, continues. It's called democracy.

    Voters and members will vote for the candidate that they think best represents them, as has always been the case. Momentum will continue to campaign online for left wing candidates. It's no 'coup' attempt

    https://averypublicsociologist.blogs...abour.html?m=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875 View Post
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    a stunningly accurate article about corbyn and the fantasy party's manifesto, although articles like this really should have been in the media at the time the loony party offered the fantasy manifesto to the nation in the lead-up to the GE, ,instead of running along with the corbyn tidal wave of hooked young voters


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/410665...ng-supporters/
    Is that what passes as a good article?

    The article didn't even quote JC saying he'd wipe off the debt (maybe because no quotes exist, at a guess). Cheap lazy stereotypes to insult students, make something up that Corbyn didn't promise and then proceeded to criticise him as if he did.

    I was then expecting a plethora of broken promises being exposed, but the author gave up after his first poor attempt.

    I don't know if the stuff below it was linked/by the same author but on the basis that it all read in a similar tone I'm assuming it was. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder about people trying to improve the world (why bother with electric cars on the basis that people at one time thought diesel was the better option) and his "jokes" about masterbating over Emily Ratajkowski wasn't what you'd expect from a high end news source like the sun.
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    Lots of desperate articles and people with various opinions tying themselves in knots trying to make sense of stats but it's a lot simpler than people think.

    Youngsters aren't "hooked" or stupid, they are social media savvy and are working in the gig economy while giving over half their income to private landlords...a lifestyle that offers no security and only makes the rich richer. When I say young, I don't just mean teenagers as "generation rent" includes people in their twenties and thirties.

    It's all about the policies and Corbyns vision gives real hope to those people. It's not fake and it's not unrealistic either...and one thing that's certain is that it's definitely happening.

    The funny thing is that once it does, the vast majority of us will all be happier.
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    Labour party are all over the place, the Tories are all over the place. All three parties at WM are run by old middle class journeymen.

    We need a Macron.

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    Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Labour party are all over the place, the Tories are all over the place. All three parties at WM are run by old middle class journeymen.

    We need a Macron.
    Bake-off starts tonight.

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    I'm liking the staying in the European single market. I'm liking the abolition of the House of Lords to be replaced by a Federal UK chamber. They're getting some decent policies together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Labour party are all over the place, the Tories are all over the place. All three parties at WM are run by old middle class journeymen.

    We need a Macron.
    Will you be saying that several years down the line when he pulls a Blair and murders thousands of people for nothing, then conveniently jumps ship not long before the economy hits the wall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    I'm liking the staying in the European single market. I'm liking the abolition of the House of Lords to be replaced by a Federal UK chamber. They're getting some decent policies together.
    A federal UK will never happen. The unionist tactic has always been to dangle the federalism carrot just close enough to make people believe that it may happen some day, without ever quite allowing it to ever happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs View Post
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    Will you be saying that several years down the line when he pulls a Blair and murders thousands of people for nothing, then conveniently jumps ship not long before the economy hits the wall?
    Let's see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs View Post
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    A federal UK will never happen. The unionist tactic has always been to dangle the federalism carrot just close enough to make people believe that it may happen some day, without ever quite allowing it to ever happen.
    It should happen so that England can have its own parliament like the other three home nations. I think it would get a lot of support.

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    Kezia Dugdale resigns as leader.

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    Interesting watch last night, Labour The Summer That Changed Everything on iplayer now. It was clearly made with the expectation that The Tories were going to win an overall majority, and the editorial team ends up doing something different. Stephen Kinnock does not come out of it well, I almost felt sorry for him.

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