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      I suppose you prefer the ring wing capitalist neoliberal dictatorship. Like a left wing dictatorship but with less equality.


    I'm against any form of dictatorship be it the EU kind or any other.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    I'm against any form of dictatorship be it the EU kind or any other.
    So you're against the British tory dictatorship also then? Or is it only a dictatorship when it suits your own political angle?

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    It's not going to happen.

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    I've always found David Martin MEP to be a straight hitter.

    Good article here on Brexit, the Scottish Government, and our future.

    https://t.co/2kiT0JLdVa

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    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/s...ocks-jb35qx3j9

    No matter your political persuasion this should concern you.

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    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...e_on_Union___/

    "Earlier this year, James Chapman, a former aide to David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, claimed the department had undertaken such analysis, which showed Scotland and the north-east of England would be worst hit by leaving the EU.

    In response to a subsequent Freedom of Information request, the department yesterday said it would neither confirm nor deny it had undertaken such analysis because to do so could undermine the Brussels talks and provoke a “reactionary” response from stakeholders north of the Border, which could damage Britain’s economy."

    So there's apparently government reports showing that Scotland will be worst hit by Brexit. Is it too much to hope that Ruth Davidson's Scottish Tories would maybe use their new found influence to do something about this? Or is it party and the UK first at the expense of Scottish jobs?

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    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...e_on_Union___/

    "Earlier this year, James Chapman, a former aide to David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, claimed the department had undertaken such analysis, which showed Scotland and the north-east of England would be worst hit by leaving the EU.

    In response to a subsequent Freedom of Information request, the department yesterday said it would neither confirm nor deny it had undertaken such analysis because to do so could undermine the Brussels talks and provoke a “reactionary” response from stakeholders north of the Border, which could damage Britain’s economy."

    So there's apparently government reports showing that Scotland will be worst hit by Brexit. Is it too much to hope that Ruth Davidson's Scottish Tories would maybe use their new found influence to do something about this? Or is it party and the UK first at the expense of Scottish jobs?
    Hmmm, let me think ...

    I would think the Tories will be delighted with anything that hammers Scotland (which would be Sturgeon's fault anyway). An emaciated economy is more likely to cling on to the union.

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    I saw something yesterday about whether Brexit could be stopped and it got me wondering, so I'm putting this out there for comments, is it feasible?

    I don't know if many minds have changed within the hallowed halls of Westminster since the Brexit Referendum and the subsequent poorly called election, but, is it possible/feasible for an MP to bring a private members bill calling for a vote to halt negotiations due to lack of time, agreement, clarity, hobnob biscuits, anything at all, and all parties agree to a free vote.

    So, is it possible? and how would it be seen in the EU?

    I'm guessing it might be possible although I gather getting a Private member bill debated is fraught with difficulties. As for the EU, it would show the UK as weak, unstable and could end in a few years with the EU hammering us when the current agreements come up for renogation.

    Anyways, any experts out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I saw something yesterday about whether Brexit could be stopped and it got me wondering, so I'm putting this out there for comments, is it feasible?

    I don't know if many minds have changed within the hallowed halls of Westminster since the Brexit Referendum and the subsequent poorly called election, but, is it possible/feasible for an MP to bring a private members bill calling for a vote to halt negotiations due to lack of time, agreement, clarity, hobnob biscuits, anything at all, and all parties agree to a free vote.

    So, is it possible? and how would it be seen in the EU?

    I'm guessing it might be possible although I gather getting a Private member bill debated is fraught with difficulties. As for the EU, it would show the UK as weak, unstable and could end in a few years with the EU hammering us when the current agreements come up for renogation.

    Anyways, any experts out there?
    I can’t see it happening. Most politicians seem to have agreed that the referendum result is binding and it would be undemocratic to try and reverse it. Another vote would be the only way to reverse it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I can’t see it happening. Most politicians seem to have agreed that the referendum result is binding and it would be undemocratic to try and reverse it. Another vote would be the only way to reverse it now.
    I think the Tories are trying their hardest to ensure that the outcome of any negotiations are so bad that when it comes to ratifying the deal in parliament it will get rejected and that a second referendum will be the only way to solve the resulting stalemate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    I saw something yesterday about whether Brexit could be stopped and it got me wondering, so I'm putting this out there for comments, is it feasible?

    I don't know if many minds have changed within the hallowed halls of Westminster since the Brexit Referendum and the subsequent poorly called election, but, is it possible/feasible for an MP to bring a private members bill calling for a vote to halt negotiations due to lack of time, agreement, clarity, hobnob biscuits, anything at all, and all parties agree to a free vote.

    So, is it possible? and how would it be seen in the EU?

    I'm guessing it might be possible although I gather getting a Private member bill debated is fraught with difficulties. As for the EU, it would show the UK as weak, unstable and could end in a few years with the EU hammering us when the current agreements come up for renogation.

    Anyways, any experts out there?
    Its an interesting question... i think there are a few possible scenarios, although i wouldnt say any were likely, as such.

    Give the political volatility we now have, i certainly would not bet against it.

    Even leaving aside the obvious parliamentary block or the government falling, there is also likrly to be a few years of transition in which a new government might take a difderent stance

    Id say the EU would be delighted to have the UK stay. It woyld vindicate their approach to the negotiations, and it would solidify the EU more than ever - if one of the biggest, military and economic powers cant leave, nobody can. Whether that would be a good thing for tge EU or not is a different question.

    I really dont think it is out of the question - we have not hit the peak panic period yet imo, and if business and corporate interests make enough of a stink, both here and in Europe, it could still be stopped, watered-down or put to another vote, whixh would be fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I think the Tories are trying their hardest to ensure that the outcome of any negotiations are so bad that when it comes to ratifying the deal in parliament it will get rejected and that a second referendum will be the only way to solve the resulting stalemate.
    I wouldn’t bet against that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Its an interesting question... i think there are a few possible scenarios, although i wouldnt say any were likely, as such.

    Give the political volatility we now have, i certainly would not bet against it.

    Even leaving aside the obvious parliamentary block or the government falling, there is also likrly to be a few years of transition in which a new government might take a difderent stance

    Id say the EU would be delighted to have the UK stay. It woyld vindicate their approach to the negotiations, and it would solidify the EU more than ever - if one of the biggest, military and economic powers cant leave, nobody can. Whether that would be a good thing for tge EU or not is a different question.

    I really dont think it is out of the question - we have not hit the peak panic period yet imo, and if business and corporate interests make enough of a stink, both here and in Europe, it could still be stopped, watered-down or put to another vote, whixh would be fascinating.
    I'm not sure what needs to happen for the peak panic threshold to be reached. The pound is worth less than it was pre Brexit meaning your money is worth less than it was, inflation is at its highest in years meaning what you buy with that devalued money costs more and real wages are decreasing meaning you have less of that devalued money to buy those more expensive goods with. If people still can't see the writing on the wall then there's only more disaster ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    I can’t see it happening. Most politicians seem to have agreed that the referendum result is binding and it would be undemocratic to try and reverse it. Another vote would be the only way to reverse it now.
    Libs might, Chukka could or maybe the Nottinghamshire Tories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I'm not sure what needs to happen for the peak panic threshold to be reached. The pound is worth less than it was pre Brexit meaning your money is worth less than it was, inflation is at its highest in years meaning what you buy with that devalued money costs more and real wages are decreasing meaning you have less of that devalued money to buy those more expensive goods with. If people still can't see the writing on the wall then there's only more disaster ahead.
    Just walking around the shops and restuarants, the High Street looks to me in recession mode. Everyone is cutting back that I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I'm not sure what needs to happen for the peak panic threshold to be reached. The pound is worth less than it was pre Brexit meaning your money is worth less than it was, inflation is at its highest in years meaning what you buy with that devalued money costs more and real wages are decreasing meaning you have less of that devalued money to buy those more expensive goods with. If people still can't see the writing on the wall then there's only more disaster ahead.
    Perhaps your perception is a bit skewed being so far away, but certainly with regards my work, companies will panic a bit more fhe closer any 'deadline' (whatever that deadline leads to) gets and no agreement or arrangements have been made. We are nowhere near that point yet.

    Nobody is panicking yet imo.

    Dont get me wrong, companies are concerned, but in some cases they are still working out ramifications and trying to put in contingency. The panic will rise the closer the 'change' gets.

    Im no economist, but i dont think my money has been devalued, unless im trying to buy euros or dollars. Being worth less on FX markets doesnt mean the pound in my poxket is worth less i dont think? And i think inflation and wage squeeze may or may not be related to brexit, someone who knows more about economics can answer that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Perhaps your perception is a bit skewed being so far away, but certainly with regards my work, companies will panic a bit more fhe closer any 'deadline' (whatever that deadline leads to) gets and no agreement or arrangements have been made. We are nowhere near that point yet.

    Nobody is panicking yet imo.

    Dont get me wrong, companies are concerned, but in some cases they are still working out ramifications and trying to put in contingency. The panic will rise the closer the 'change' gets.

    Im no economist, but i dont think my money has been devalued, unless im trying to buy euros or dollars. Being worth less on FX markets doesnt mean the pound in my poxket is worth less i dont think? And i think inflation and wage squeeze may or may not be related to brexit, someone who knows more about economics can answer that.
    Anything we import is more expensive so it does affect the pounds in your pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Anything we import is more expensive so it does affect the pounds in your pocket.
    Yeah via inflation, but not directly devaluing the pound in my pocket. Not everything is imported afterall.

    But im no economist, i just think we arr still in the calm before the storm, and certainly nobody is panicking, despite what some would like to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Just walking around the shops and restuarants, the High Street looks to me in recession mode. Everyone is cutting back that I know.
    Indeed. And businesses are not investing. Not many businesses will open new factories, launch new products while there is so much uncertainty. All the business activity that I see is companies arranging to set up in Europe. There's a huge amount of activity in London around moves to relocate financial services overseas.

    The UK seems to be shooting itself in the foot, strangling itself and jumping off a cliff all at the same time. Monumentally stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    Indeed. And businesses are not investing. Not many businesses will open new factories, launch new products while there is so much uncertainty. All the business activity that I see is companies arranging to set up in Europe. There's a huge amount of activity in London around moves to relocate financial services overseas.

    The UK seems to be shooting itself in the foot, strangling itself and jumping off a cliff all at the same time. Monumentally stupid.
    Seems other people are seeing the downturn as well

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ures-unilever/

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...nflation-wages
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Seems other people are seeing the downturn as well

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ures-unilever/
    Indeed. And here's the CEO of Goldman Sachs on his recent trip to Frankfurt

    https://twitter.com/lloydblankfein/s...95573368545280

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    I was quite open to Brexit, I didnt vote however I could see many advantages to being outside of the EU and I really disliked the way Brussels acts on many topics and where the EU seems to be going.

    However, I'm now quite concerned given the fact May is getting played like a banjo and is literally begging for any deal she can try to spin at home.

    It's almost unbelievable how she's mucked this up given the position the Tories where in previously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IGRIGI View Post
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    I was quite open to Brexit, I didnt vote however I could see many advantages to being outside of the EU and I really disliked the way Brussels acts on many topics and where the EU seems to be going.

    However, I'm now quite concerned given the fact May is getting played like a banjo and is literally begging for any deal she can try to spin at home.

    It's almost unbelievable how she's mucked this up given the position the Tories where in previously.
    I'm still completely relaxed about Brexit.

    The EU never does anything quickly and always relies on brinksmanship when cutting its deals, both internally and externally, so the 'talks' were always going to drag on in a half stalemate for a long time.

    Deal, no deal, half a deal the sky is not going to fall down either way.

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    Former top civil servant in Dept for International Trade (Liam Fox's dept) writes in the Observer:

    There is no credible free trade deal outcome able to deliver the guaranteed market access, shared regulation and consumer protection that Britain needs. Wishful thinking does not create well-paid jobs, pay taxes or fund public services.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ublic-services

    What would he know though, eh?

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    New location for the EMA, is Amsterdam, and 900 jobs.

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    Paris wins the right to host European Banking authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    New location for the EMA, is Amsterdam, and 900 jobs.

    https://t.co/3gyhAhlGpu
    Interesting... Amsterdam is very commutable from SE England, amd two thirds of EMA staff said they would not move abroad with their job. Seems a sensible compromise, and one that will keep job losses to a minimum.

    The real loss of the EMA are the tens of thousands of hotel nights that come with it, but im sure London can cope with loaing them.

    Not a bad outcome for the UK i think (obviously losing itnis bad, buy the losses will be mitigated by this move).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Interesting... Amsterdam is very commutable from SE England, amd two thirds of EMA staff said they would not move abroad with their job. Seems a sensible compromise, and one that will keep job losses to a minimum.

    The real loss of the EMA are the tens of thousands of hotel nights that come with it, but im sure London can cope with loaing them.

    Not a bad outcome for the UK i think (obviously losing itnis bad, buy the losses will be mitigated by this move).
    I'm sure some will want to commute, but their taxes won't be collected here.

    900 jobs, 322 Million Euro budget, and 40,000 business visits per year. Someone, somewhere will paint this as a UK win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    I'm sure some will want to commute, but their taxes won't be collected here.
    Im not sure they pay much tax. Special rate of 11% i believe for employees of European institutions.

    Anyway surely you pay tax in your country of residence, not employment?

    I see the banking authority has moved to Paris too. Also very commutable from London. Apparently staff and companies arent keen on moving to Frankfurt generally (not seen as a global city) bit obviously Paris doesnt habe that problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Im not sure they pay much tax. Special rate of 11% i believe for employees of European institutions.

    Anyway surely you pay tax in your country of residence, not employment?

    I see the banking authority has moved to Paris too. Also very commutable from London. Apparently staff and companies arent keen on moving to Frankfurt generally (not seen as a global city) bit obviously Paris doesnt habe that problem!
    I'm not sure if that'll be the case after we leave the EU.

    http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...d/index_en.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    I'm not sure if that'll be the case after we leave the EU.

    http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...d/index_en.htm
    Sounds like you're not really sure about anything?

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