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Are you seriously telling me that you know, and that more importantly, the wider public, anywhere in Europe, know, or care about who the PM of Lux is?
Absolute tripe.
But yes you are right, i dont care about the politics, or political leaders of Lux. And to make a name for themselves, former Lux PMs have to become committed European federalists.
If only they knew they were all so famous and admired here in Scotland...
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05-07-2016 10:00 AM #61
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Out come all these committed Europhiles who are students of minor European countries and their domestic political systems.
I didnt realise there wered so many students of Luxemburgian (?) politics on Hibs.Net.
Shame on me.Last edited by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy; 05-07-2016 at 10:05 AM.
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05-07-2016 10:03 AM #62
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05-07-2016 10:54 AM #63
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What happens next?
Obviously I am no expert but I understand this in the Brexit saga:
The Italian banks will need another bail out from the EU tax payer and now thankfully the people of the UK do not need to pay towards failed Italian banks that did not fix their bad loan problem out when they should have done over 4 years ago.
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05-07-2016 11:19 AM #65
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I wad making the point, in response to someone saying that uk politicians were self-serving, that the same applies to eurocrats.
The point being that junker was a complete unknown anywhere other than Lux (because nobody outside lux cares about lux domestic politics - except of course for the squad of commmited lux observers here) until he became a european politician - therefore his federalism is as much about self-service as senior tories being brexit.
THAT was the point - nothing about the influence or otherwise of individual member states, which has never come up.
But well done for jumping in and getting it wrong.
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05-07-2016 12:10 PM #66This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Seems to me that you're the one that isn't getting anything! Juncker is not a complete unknown anywhere other than Luxembourg, he never was, he was/is well-known here in Europe (sic)! To YOU he may be an unknown, that may well simply down to your lack of knowledge of politics beyond the UK arena, an insular quality greatly in evidence of late, I may say. Juncker's ability as a domestic politician is what furthered his career in Europe, it wasn't the other way round. The fact YOU have only picked up on him since recent debates about Europe in the UK does not mean he is/was a complete unknown, nor that Luxembourg is somehow not important. There is a reason why people outside Luxembourg cared about his domestic policies and why much criticism can be levelled at him ...
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But no, we are far too important now to need EU bailouts. Just as well, because we won't be getting any and we'll need to find the money down the back of the national sofa.Last edited by steakbake; 05-07-2016 at 12:18 PM.
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05-07-2016 12:14 PM #68This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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05-07-2016 12:25 PM #69This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
that's so ridiculous it's laughable.
Whether he was an unknown or not, gives absolutely NO credence to your assertion that he's self serving.
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05-07-2016 12:29 PM #70
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05-07-2016 12:33 PM #71
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[QUOTE=PeeJay;4751181]Seems to me that you're the one that isn't getting anything! Juncker is not a complete unknown anywhere other than Luxembourg, he never was, he was/is well-known here in Europe (sic)! To YOU he may be an unknown, that may well simply down to your lack of knowledge of politics beyond the UK arena, an insular quality greatly in evidence of late, I may say. Juncker's ability as a domestic politician is what furthered his career in Europe, it wasn't the other way round. The fact YOU have only picked up on him since recent debates about Europe in the UK does not mean he is/was a complete unknown, nor that Luxembourg is somehow not important. There is a reason why people outside Luxembourg cared about his domestic policies and why much criticism can be levelled at him ...
Juncker - the former leader of Tax-haven Luxembourg, hardly a mandate to be mouthpiece of the EU. This guy has dedicated his career to ensuring society becomes less fair, that wealthy institutions and individuals can avoid taxes little people and small businesses must pay. Juncker turned Luxembourg into a tax haven far bigger than say, the cayman islands because it benefits from the EU free movement off capital. More dangerously his policies then inspire the Netherlands, Ireland and other EU states following beggar-thy-neighbour tax policies to join it in a race to the bottom. He's the Sepp Blatter of EU politics.
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05-07-2016 12:37 PM #72
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Of course the EU did have deficit rules to prevent such things but they were junked as soon as they became politically awkward.
On a slightly different note I read a good article by Mathew Lynn yesterday in MoneyWeek (a man that speaks a lot of sense in my opinion) where he argued for Britain to join the EFTA and effectively turn that into a stronger organisation where it could engage with the Eurozone forever closer union style EU on more level terms but be free of the main downsides of the EU (the aforementioned ever closer union). This would allow access to the European free market but at the same time allow the UK to negotiate trade deals globally alongside providing the required heft to allow the EFTA countries to have input into the EU rule making process. Seemed a pretty reasonable compromise to me and one I'll be interested to see if it comes to pass.
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05-07-2016 12:40 PM #73
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Ok then, youre so worldly wise.
The publix at large fall over themselves to observe lux politics. Im just an ignoramus.
Junker was a household name before he became a top european bureaucrat. I stand corrected.
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05-07-2016 12:42 PM #74
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The EU commission is full of altruistic idealists who do the job for free and hate the power they have.
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05-07-2016 12:48 PM #75
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05-07-2016 12:48 PM #76
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Im not as it goes. But hey, rather than engage with arguments that challenge the worldview, its easier just to dismiss them.
Its little wonder that remain did so badly.
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05-07-2016 12:53 PM #79
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Well it is just opinion, ultimately. Based on my knowledge amd experiences of politics, and european politics.
And basded on observation. For example, that the german finance minister is apparently furious at junker for pouring petrol on the brexit flames, and germany are plotting his removal and are marginalising him from brexit negotiations.
Supposedly they want the commission marginalised in favour of the council when it comes to brexit negotiations.
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05-07-2016 01:16 PM #80
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Whether he is, or is not, well known for his time as pm of lux or not is a matter of opinion. He may well be in Germany. And maybe germans take a keen interest in lux. If they do, i stand corrected.
I dount very much that most people in the uk, or across europe, could name any ex lux PMs who havent made their names through the EU, which is really the point i was making.
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05-07-2016 01:42 PM #81
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05-07-2016 01:52 PM #83This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Something the Brexit politicians will have to square.
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05-07-2016 02:09 PM #84
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Personally I have no problems with it and see the benefits in being able to source labour from across Europe but I'm very much minded that I didn't like the concept of a forever centralising EU taking more and more of a nations powers away in terms of national budgets etc. Contrary to some of the more excited claims I think (personal opinion only of course!) that such views were shared by a lot of Leave voters so you would only be left with the anti immigration lobby crying foul. Which would be a minority so stuff 'em ;-)
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05-07-2016 02:40 PM #85
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But remain did lose, it was a national referendum as well you know.
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05-07-2016 03:51 PM #86
Brexit should not be blocked - England made its choice and there's no going back.
It should also happen so the rest of the EU can watch rUK implode/Scotland prosper and realise it would be a terrible idea for any of them to do it.
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05-07-2016 04:25 PM #87
The First Minister continues to reach out to our European neighbours.
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A nice article from Liam McIlvaney
https://t.co/VBhNZGNKL5Last edited by ronaldo7; 05-07-2016 at 05:01 PM.
SCOTLAND CAN.
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05-07-2016 05:02 PM #88
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05-07-2016 07:10 PM #90This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Good point - our politicians are generally no better or worse than anywhere else
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