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    Quote Originally Posted by steakbake View Post
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    Oh man, that really rips my knitting when you see some halfwit looking all confused and complaining about "they don't give you enough information to make a decision" kind of thing.Very common on Question Time, vox pops and the like.
    Even worse are those who say "stop talking about politics, it's boring". They're also normally the first to complain about changes too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    It's incredible ****wittery that they don't and it didn't happen on the Scottish referendum.

    Schools should definitely do more to make kids more engaged in political issues as part of their pastoral role.

    I was dumbfounded by some of the vox pops on the TV during the campaign some young people saying nobody had explained what it was about to them!! So much for the connected generation - surely they can google it!!
    They certainly spend enough time with their heads attached to various devices.

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    Theresa May openly admitting she'll use the future of EU Citizens in the UK as a pawn in negotiations for access to the single market. Absolutely disgusting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RagingReality View Post
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    Theresa May openly admitting she'll use the future of EU Citizens in the UK as a pawn in negotiations for access to the single market. Absolutely disgusting.
    Its all just posturing pre negotiation.

    Its absolutely our politicians job now to get the uk the best possible deal - this is all just part of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Its all just posturing pre negotiation.

    Its absolutely our politicians job now to get the uk the best possible deal - this is all just part of that.
    You mean, all the fear voiced by remainers is coming true. Whad hae thunk it!!!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RagingReality View Post
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    Theresa May openly admitting she'll use the future of EU Citizens in the UK as a pawn in negotiations for access to the single market. Absolutely disgusting.
    She won't though. Not unless she wants to piss off thousands of Brits abroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    You mean, all the fear voiced by remainers is coming true. Whad hae thunk it!!!?
    I dont follow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Its all just posturing pre negotiation.

    Its absolutely our politicians job now to get the uk the best possible deal - this is all just part of that.
    Posturing?
    Letting residents of our country feel their future here is in doubt as part of political bargaining is downright nasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    I dont follow?
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    Posturing?
    Letting residents of our country feel their future here is in doubt as part of political bargaining is downright nasty.
    That answers your question.
    #Persevered
    Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

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    Whatever the Tories do about residency and related issues, they'll just change the electoral franchise to protect their own interests afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Posturing?
    Letting residents of our country feel their future here is in doubt as part of political bargaining is downright nasty.
    Possibly, but it was always going to be thus. The government has a duty to the whole country now to be fierce negotiators

    Giving anything away pre negotiation is daft.

    Plus, thwir futures here are in doubt, thats just the reality. Juat as brits abroad future isnin doubt.

    Personally i dont see a cat in hell's chance of those already here not being allowed to stay, but as of two years from now, they prob wobnt have that right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future17 View Post
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    Whatever the Tories do about residency and related issues, they'll just change the electoral franchise to protect their own interests afterwards.
    How might they do that?

    You do know current electoral boundaries favour the labour party?

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    Torys do what's best for Torys and their pals. The rest of us are plebs and what happens to us doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    Torys do what's best for Torys and their pals. The rest of us are plebs and what happens to us doesn't matter.
    Its reductive stuff like this that lets political discourse down.

    Also, given most of their pals didnt want brexit, how does that fit with your narrative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Its reductive stuff like this that lets political discourse down.

    Also, given most of their pals didnt want brexit, how does that fit with your narrative?
    There will be those that backed both sides of the debate.

    Just look at the case of one Boris Johnson and his journey to lead the leavers. Up to a couple of weeks before he was remain!

    Look at the recent May statement. Apparently willing to abuse the rights the million or so EU migrants that are currently contributing to the UK in so many ways as pawns in a political tit for tat.

    Whatever happens the rich will continue to get considerably richer, queues at the foodbanks will get considerably longer and the rest of us will be too busy trying to keep our heads above water to notice.

    It's easier saying Torys do what's best for Torys and their pals. The rest of us are plebs and what happens to us doesn't matter. Folk know what I mean.
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    #Persevered
    Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Fleece View Post
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    Academics coming out in force!

    https://www.nchlondon.ac.uk/2016/07/01/professor-c-graylings-letter-650-mps-urging-parliament-not-support-motion-trigger-article-50-lisbon-treaty-1-july-2016/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    There will be those that backed both sides of the debate.

    Just look at the case of one Boris Johnson and his journey to lead the leavers. Up to a couple of weeks before he was remain!

    Look at the recent May statement. Apparently willing to abuse the rights the million or so EU migrants that are currently contributing to the UK in so many ways as pawns in a political tit for tat.

    Whatever happens the rich will continue to get considerably richer, queues at the foodbanks will get considerably longer and the rest of us will be too busy trying to keep our heads above water to notice.

    It's easier saying Torys do what's best for Torys and their pals. The rest of us are plebs and what happens to us doesn't matter. Folk know what I mean.
    Ok, folk know what you mean.

    Ill leave you to get back to the breadline of your victorian dystopia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    Whilst I agree with their concerns, the idea that the Commons might knock back the referendum vote niggles at my sense of democracy.

    Given the debate about the undemocratic nature of the EU, it would be the ultimate irony if the Commons respected the vote, but the Lords rejected it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Its reductive stuff like this that lets political discourse down.

    Also, given most of their pals didnt want brexit, how does that fit with your narrative?
    How do you know which one's really wanted brexit and which ones didn't? Based on the side they campaigned on? lol

    Let me tell you something about British Politicians. They will do exactly what they have to do to further their own personal careers, even if it means standing on a side that they don't really agree with. That's what Boris Johnson did and it backfired on him spectacularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs View Post
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    How do you know which one's really wanted brexit and which ones didn't? Based on the side they campaigned on? lol

    Let me tell you something about British Politicians. They will do exactly what they have to do to further their own personal careers, even if it means standing on a side that they don't really agree with. That's what Boris Johnson did and it backfired on him spectacularly.
    I presumed he meant wealthy & corporate interests - the majority of whom were remain.

    Thanks for the lesson. Im sure that applies to most politicians - i doubt jean claude juncker could have reached such high office by pursuing domestic politics in luxemburg.

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    Vince from Hull wants to put up a fence between England and Scotland, mainly because Scotland doesn't want to be part of England.
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    Guy on BBC just now wants to shut the gates, we are full!!! Oh but he has 6 kids and a horse, clearly doesn't do irony

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    I presumed he meant wealthy & corporate interests - the majority of whom were remain.

    Thanks for the lesson. Im sure that applies to most politicians - i doubt jean claude juncker could have reached such high office by pursuing domestic politics in luxemburg.
    You may doubt it, but that is exactly what he did - he was Prime Minister in Luxembourg from 1995 up to 2013 ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeeJay View Post
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    You may doubt it, but that is exactly what he did - he was Prime Minister in Luxembourg from 1995 up to 2013 ...
    Thats my point. Nobody cares about the PM of luxemburg. His career has been defined by the EU - i mean can anyone name any other former or current luxemburg PMs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Thats my point. Nobody cares about the PM of luxemburg. His career has been defined by the EU - i mean can anyone name any other former or current luxemburg PMs?
    Santer also comes to mind ... he's hardy a political gnome either. They have both played important roles in shaping the modern-day European Union. Anyway, isn't this some sort of arrogance on your part? No-body cares? A case could be made for saying that these guys have contributed more to making the EU evolve than any of the "big weights" from the important countries like the UK (?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Thats my point. Nobody cares about the PM of luxemburg. His career has been defined by the EU - i mean can anyone name any other former or current luxemburg PMs?
    See, that's the kind of disrespect and jingoism that was the trademark of Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Thats my point. Nobody cares about the PM of luxemburg. His career has been defined by the EU - i mean can anyone name any other former or current luxemburg PMs?
    What you mean is YOU don't care about the PM of Luxemburg (it's got an initial capital) and YOU can't name any other former or current Luxemburg PMs.

    That kind of attitude would get you elected leader of UKIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Thats my point. Nobody cares about the PM of luxemburg. His career has been defined by the EU - i mean can anyone name any other former or current luxemburg PMs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeeJay View Post
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    Santer also comes to mind ... he's hardy a political gnome either. They have both played important roles in shaping the modern-day European Union. Anyway, isn't this some sort of arrogance on your part? No-body cares? A case could be made for saying that these guys have contributed more to making the EU evolve than any of the "big weights" from the important countries like the UK (?).
    Youre missing the point.

    Yes, they have made big impacts on europe, that is the whole point. Europe has served them very well, of course they are committed federalists.

    Otherwise they would be another (unknown) former PM of Lux.

    They are feathering their own nest as much as any other politician does.

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