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Thread: Brexit - what will happen next
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14-06-2018 09:56 AM #2161This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
SCOTLAND CAN.
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14-06-2018 09:59 AM #2162
SCOTLAND CAN.
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14-06-2018 10:27 AM #2163This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Cheers
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14-06-2018 10:39 AM #2164This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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14-06-2018 10:41 AM #2165
well done the nats, so proud of them
the only political party in Scotland that sticks up for Scotland...FACT and end of
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14-06-2018 10:48 AM #2166This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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However the way that the SNP and quite frankly the "Yes" campaign held themselves the first time around would make it a very difficult thing for me to do and may just even put me off the whole idea. I find the victim mantra being carried out frankly embarrassing and the walkout in PMQ's yesterday was childish and petulant and certainly doesn't represent their constituents. It's "I'm taking my ball home with me, nyah nyah" territory.
Whether it's article 50 being revoked or an independent Scotland, if there was to be a second referendum I'd be voting for the side that would more likely see us in the European Union, with my fingers crossed that a yes vote would do to the SNP what the Brexit referendum did to UKIP.
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14-06-2018 11:25 AM #2168
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What should the SNP reps have done instead? Sat down and shut-up like good boys while the conservatives and their chums walk all over them like they're used to, with even the speaker willing to ignore the rules of parliament to get it done.
Just let the Tories get away with what they want, because any reaction or fightback is just the SNP trying to push independence. It's pathetic, and happened for too long. The sad thing is so many people will have the same attitude in which their blind contempt for the SNP will let the Tories carry-on as they always have.
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14-06-2018 11:27 AM #2169This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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14-06-2018 11:31 AM #2170
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14-06-2018 11:37 AM #2171This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
SCOTLAND CAN.
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14-06-2018 11:48 AM #2172
What I don't understand is the loathing of independence by some. If we had it, we would have the party & government we, as a nation, would want. Not one forced on us by others. As has been pointed out in the past, if we achieve independence the SNP will become irrelevant and voters will more than likely filter back to their original main parties.
We must be the only country in history that rejected a free offer to control our own destiny. This still totally baffles me.
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14-06-2018 11:52 AM #2173
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14-06-2018 11:57 AM #2174This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The 55% contains other groups as well though: people whose primary identity is from another part of the UK; Scots who are primarily British and whose allegiance is to the British state; people who are from outwith the UK altogether and don't really care ... oh and Mibbes Aye and friends, the vanishing breed humming the Internazionale.
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14-06-2018 12:00 PM #2175This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote#Persevered
Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.
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14-06-2018 12:04 PM #2176This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
indeed, it's Lame, Pitiful, and Embarrassing
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14-06-2018 12:05 PM #2179
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I've seen a few move over in light of changing circumstances, but only a few. As I say, some just use the SNP/Nationlist jibes as their get-out as so many of the other pedalled arguments are dying out... often at the hands of those who created the reasons in the first place
Don't get me wrong - plenty of people have their reasons.. I just think there's also a big number of those who do not.
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14-06-2018 12:52 PM #2180This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This is definitely not an ideal time for Indy2 however, after yesterday's performance in the HoC, I think the government are actually forcing the Indy movement's hand (whether intentionally or not, I don't know).
Yesterday they made it very plain that they regard Scotland as servile and insignificant. If we have Indy2 and lose, what will we have lost? We'll still be treated as servile and insignificant. If we win................????
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14-06-2018 12:56 PM #2181
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Does that count as gaining traction?
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14-06-2018 01:16 PM #2182
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14-06-2018 01:19 PM #2183
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[QUOTE=snooky;5430924]That's fair enough. I can fully understand her feeling that way. What annoys me about the whole Indy thing is the wide idea that we would break away from the rest of the UK in everything. The reality, IMO, is that nothing much would change (ignoring the Brexit problem for a minute). Life would go an more or less the way it is now. The only difference would be our finances and the distribution of them would be spread out differently. We would certainly be treated with a lot more respect from WM than we are just now for sure.
This is definitely not an ideal time for Indy2 however, after yesterday's performance in the HoC, I think the government are actually forcing the Indy movement's hand (whether intentionally or not, I don't know).
Yesterday they made it very plain that they regard Scotland as servile and insignificant. If we have Indy2 and lose, what will we have lost? We'll still be treated as servile and insignificant. If we win................????[/QUOTE]
Decades of austerity?
A divided nation?
Currency Issues?
No Longer a member of the UK single market & No longer part of the EU?
Reliant on huge numbers of immigration and offering them tax cuts whilst the people already here face tax rises - creating more resentment with this small nation.
No longer a member or Nato
huge debts with no lender of last resort.
Begging the EU for anything and everything - like the SNP have already done, grovel and beg in front of the EU.
Still least that's the English telt
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14-06-2018 01:29 PM #2184
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So of I was a Labour voter and the SNP get into power nothing changes...I have a government in charge that has been forced on me by ‘others’.
I would suggest Quebec might also qualify on the ‘rejected a free offer’ camp. It’s also rather disingenuous to suggest Indy is a free offer...as the growth commission has shown there are very significant hurdles, risks and dangers associated with it and many folk have simply decided it’s, on the balance of probabilities, is just not worth it.
Finally the loathing might come from the fact, repeated ad-nauseam, that the very people it’s pertaining to represent have already voted on it and said No?
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14-06-2018 01:29 PM #2185This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote#Persevered
Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.
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14-06-2018 01:33 PM #2186
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14-06-2018 02:18 PM #2188
https://www.mix96.co.uk/news/nationa...n-westminster/
SNP membership has risen by over 5,000 in the 24-hours following a mass-walkout by its MPs in parliament, Sky News has learned.
great stuff, hopefully more walk-outs planned
well done the 35Last edited by cabbageandribs1875; 14-06-2018 at 02:24 PM.
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14-06-2018 02:25 PM #2189
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Decades of austerity? As opposed to what?
A divided nation? As opposed to what?
Currency Issues? Is it 2014 again?
No Longer a member of the UK single market & No longer part of the EU? Aye?
Reliant on huge numbers of immigration and offering them tax cuts whilst the people already here face tax rises - creating more resentment with this small nation. haha using one of the reasons we don't want to be part of what's going on right now (intolerance towards immigrants) won't wash.
Begging the EU for anything and everything - like the SNP have already done, grovel and beg in front of the EU. Ahhh.. you prefer us to beg the Tories and go on being ignored?
Still least that's the English telt - Sums up your argument perfectly.
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14-06-2018 02:25 PM #2190
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