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    Quote Originally Posted by Callyballybe View Post
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    I've noticed this has happened on more than one occasion - Labour largely (or completely) abstaining from an SNP amendment with regards to Brexit - Is this purely to do with the party whips telling them not to be seen to be siding with the SNP on any matter?
    Which is utterly contemptuous. Small minded and will leave the U.K. on the edge of a No Deal Precipice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
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    Thatís one scenario. The other was that we would have been the setter of the Presedance around a member state splitting into two states.

    IIRC the Scottish Government could not even ask the question as the EU would only accept questions from Westminster and Westminster (knowing the answer from the expansionist at heart EU would have been, ďOf course Scotland could remain a member of the EUĒ.)

    Itís all a moot point now, but wanted to highlight that it was far from done to death (as the question wasnít allowed to be asked). Another case of Westminster knows best.

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    There already had been precedence as Greenland voted for independence from Denmark after this they had to trigger article 50 to enable them to also leave the EU.
    It would have been no different for Scotland and I think when you see the length the EU have gone to over the years to keep the UK part of the European project I think an iScotland would have been looked after ok.
    However I wouldn't hold out much hope of an newly independent Scotland getting admitted to the eu after the uk departs as it would open up another border can of worms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calumb View Post
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    There already had been precedence as Greenland voted for independence from Denmark after this they had to trigger article 50 to enable them to also leave the EU.
    It would have been no different for Scotland and I think when you see the length the EU have gone to over the years to keep the UK part of the European project I think an iScotland would have been looked after ok.
    However I wouldn't hold out much hope of an newly independent Scotland getting admitted to the eu after the uk departs as it would open up another border can of worms.
    Indeed. But thereís no reason why an iScotland wouldnít be fast tracked. We would tick all the boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calumb View Post
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    There already had been precedence as Greenland voted for independence from Denmark after this they had to trigger article 50 to enable them to also leave the EU.
    It would have been no different for Scotland and I think when you see the length the EU have gone to over the years to keep the UK part of the European project I think an iScotland would have been looked after ok.
    However I wouldn't hold out much hope of an newly independent Scotland getting admitted to the eu after the uk departs as it would open up another border can of worms.
    There wonít be a border issue because we wonít be leaving under Ďno dealí, I donít think.
    Whatever arrangement they have for N. Ireland will work just fine for the Scotland England border.
    Iím pretty sure we are going to be staying in the CU and probably the SM as well now.
    ERG has over played their hand now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
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    Which is utterly contemptuous. Small minded and will leave the U.K. on the edge of a No Deal Precipice.

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    Agreed - That was what I was getting at, conclusion wise anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    There wonít be a border issue because we wonít be leaving under Ďno dealí, I donít think.
    Whatever arrangement they have for N. Ireland will work just fine for the Scotland England border.
    Iím pretty sure we are going to be staying in the CU and probably the SM as well now.
    ERG has over played their hand now.


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    Good point regarding the border, hadn't thought about it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    There wonít be a border issue because we wonít be leaving under Ďno dealí, I donít think.
    Whatever arrangement they have for N. Ireland will work just fine for the Scotland England border.
    Iím pretty sure we are going to be staying in the CU and probably the SM as well now.
    ERG has over played their hand now.


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    Doubt the CU and SM comments.

    Still on for a late fudge in my book. Time limit on the backstop through the odd addendum not part of the withdrawal agreement thing thatís been cooked up, deal gets over the line in the commons by a baw hair, late ratification by the EU at their handily timed leadership summit last week in March is my predicto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Doubt the CU and SM comments.

    Still on for a late fudge in my book. Time limit on the backstop through the odd addendum not part of the withdrawal agreement thing thatís been cooked up, deal gets over the line in the commons by a baw hair, late ratification by the EU at their handily timed leadership summit last week in March is my predicto.
    Agree. Catastrophe averted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    Agree. Catastrophe averted!
    No, catastrophe wouldnít be averted. It would however, at least be limited. Even with Mayís deal, the country is hugely diminished and has already taken a significant hit. 800mil per week so far.

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    No, catastrophe wouldn’t be averted. It would however, at least be limited. Even with May’s deal, the country is hugely diminished and has already taken a significant hit. 800mil per week so far.
    Yes, but what's £800m a week when we'll be saving much less than that per week in net contributions once we leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lapsedhibee View Post
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    Yes, but what's £800m a week when we'll be saving much less than that per week in net contributions once we leave?
    £799m a week?

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    £799m a week?
    I make it only about £655m, but it seems hard to come by accurate figures in this area. Where is your £799m from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lapsedhibee View Post
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    Yes, but what's £800m a week when we'll be saving much less than that per week in net contributions once we leave?
    Like to see the maths on that?

    Edit - i should read more carefully


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    Anti Brexit demonstration on 23rd March.

    Over 700,000 at the last one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Anti Brexit demonstration on 23rd March.

    Over 700,000 at the last one
    Yeah, just seen that. Bummer, as it's the day I return from a (possibly) last fag run to Spain, but don't get back 'til late

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    Britain's richest man quits the UK: Billionaire Brexiteer Sir James Ratcliffe 'relocates to Monaco in a bid to save £4bn in tax'

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...id=mailsignout

    Business sense, hypocrisy or both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonty View Post
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    Britain's richest man quits the UK: Billionaire Brexiteer Sir James Ratcliffe 'relocates to Monaco in a bid to save £4bn in tax'

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...id=mailsignout

    Business sense, hypocrisy or both?
    In his case, both I guess... Dyson is the exact same, moved his company 'flag' to Singapore to take advantage of their new free trade deal with the EU (his biggest market)...





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    Quote Originally Posted by jonty View Post
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    Britain's richest man quits the UK: Billionaire Brexiteer Sir James Ratcliffe 'relocates to Monaco in a bid to save £4bn in tax'

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...id=mailsignout

    Business sense, hypocrisy or both?
    Had the benefit of the UK but doesnít want to give his fair share back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Alf View Post
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    In his case, both I guess... Dyson is the exact same, moved his company 'flag' to Singapore to take advantage of their new free trade deal with the EU (his biggest market)...





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    Dyson is just moving the company. Ratcliffe is actually moving himself to Monaco.
    With their customs union, euro and free movement (by association with France). Kind of makes you wonder why he thinks the UK would be better out of it.
    Financially I suspect he would have done it regardless of Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonty View Post
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    Britain's richest man quits the UK: Billionaire Brexiteer Sir James Ratcliffe 'relocates to Monaco in a bid to save £4bn in tax'

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...id=mailsignout

    Business sense, hypocrisy or both?
    On the same page... Trade talks with China dumped after Gavin Williamson does a bit of pen-knife rattling

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...id=mailsignout

    You really couldn't make this **** up

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    Project fear right enough ....

    Porsche warns UK customers of Brexit price rise -

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47270616





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