Brexit - what will happen next

[hibsbollah]

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Constructive ambiguity is what it is being called. Its classic EU negotiation, brinkmanship, last minute hick-up with deal hanging by a thread, with it all being salvaged atbthe ladt minute with all sides happy.

To be fair, it seems a pretty reasonable compromise - kinda makes you wonder why it took 18 months to get to it though.

I know it's being called that, but it's not constructive or ambiguous if, like a friend of mine, youve lost your right to travel freely from his home in France to Italy a few hours away. No detail but lots of assumptions. It could be that Farages anger, May's smug pleasure or the DUPs worry are manufactured responses.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I know it's being called that, but it's not constructive or ambiguous if, like a friend of mine, youve lost your right to travel freely from his home in France to Italy a few hours away. No detail but lots of assumptions. It could be that Farages anger, May's smug pleasure or the DUPs worry are manufactured responses.

Looks like I'll be forced to take on German citizenship if I want to keep my job as it involves travelling around Europe. My retirement plans have also taken a knock and simply travelling home over land will likely become a severe pain in the arse as things stand. Utter madness.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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I know it's being called that, but it's not constructive or ambiguous if, like a friend of mine, youve lost your right to travel freely from his home in France to Italy a few hours away. No detail but lots of assumptions. It could be that Farages anger, May's smug pleasure or the DUPs worry are manufactured responses.

Wow. So its bad deal? You do realise that a deal for two blocs repreaenting 65million and 400million people respectively might not work perfectly for every individual?

Anyway i didnt negotiate the deal, take it up with messrs May and Junker.

Given where we were a couple of days ago, it seems a decent compromise. And its not a deal yet, until everything else is agreed amd its turned into a legal treaty.

[hibsbollah]

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Wow. So its bad deal? You do realise that a deal for two blocs repreaenting 65million and 400million people respectively might not work perfectly for every individual?

Anyway i didnt negotiate the deal, take it up with messrs May and Junker.

Given where we were a couple of days ago, it seems a decent compromise. And its not a deal yet, until everything else is agreed amd its turned into a legal treaty.

No need for the fake surprise 'wow'. Or the irony. I was asking for clarity about what the proposal/agreement/deal actually entails. I have two practical examples of what the deal means for people. You haven't provided any. Which suggests you don't have any more clarity than me as to whether it's good or bad.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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No need for the fake surprise 'wow'. Or the irony. I was asking for clarity about what the proposal/agreement/deal actually entails. I have two practical examples of what the deal means for people. You haven't provided any. Which suggests you don't have any more clarity than me as to whether it's good or bad.

This whole conversation started because i said it was 'constructive ambiguity', the phrase you took issue with. Its not supposed to be clear, thats the whole point. Its vague enough that everyone can take what they want from it - classic EU fudge to allow us to move on to the next phase in negotiations.

As for your two pals, i dont know about that im afraid - but the comment about this not being about the status of your two pals, amd being about bigger issues still stands.

So if you know about the deal and its implications, what do you need clarity on?

Well i know that the deal has moved us on past the sticking points, without throwing NI back into violence, and without drawing arbitrary borders within out country (at least for the time being). I also know that for the first time in months, maybe years, all sides of political spectrum, remain/brexit, amd the EU and British govts are all happy - that is a good outcome in my book, and so im happy that i know enough to know its a good deal.

[Mr White]

Feels like it's time to finally apply for an Irish passport. I think I'd prefer to remain an EU citizen all things considered.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Feels like it's time to finally apply for an Irish passport. I think I'd prefer to remain an EU citizen all things considered.

Well you support a club founded by irishmen, so why not embrace your irishness too 😉

[Mr White]

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Well you support a club founded by irishmen, so why not embrace your irishness too 😉

In a word... cost. I looked into it years ago but just about puked at the fees back then

I'll need to dig deep... and hope my mum knows where her birth and marriage certificates are. That could be a challenge actually.

[lord bunberry]

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Wow. So its bad deal? You do realise that a deal for two blocs repreaenting 65million and 400million people respectively might not work perfectly for every individual?

Anyway i didnt negotiate the deal, take it up with messrs May and Junker.

Given where we were a couple of days ago, it seems a decent compromise. And its not a deal yet, until everything else is agreed amd its turned into a legal treaty.

It’s a terrible deal. Compared to what we have right now it’s a huge step back. I realise you’re trying to make the best of a bad situation, but this is just the beginning of everything getting harder and worse for everyone. The EU don’t want to look weak and the UK government are being led by people who couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery.
What a ****ing shambles.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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It’s a terrible deal. Compared to what we have right now it’s a huge step back. I realise you’re trying to make the best of a bad situation, but this is just the beginning of everything getting harder and worse for everyone. The EU don’t want to look weak and the UK government are being led by people who couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery.
What a ****ing shambles.

Agreed. But the status quo is not an option anymore, that ship jas sailed. It literally is now about making the best of a situation that i certainly didnt vote for. In that context, im pleased we have moved on to the nitty gritty of the discussions.

But i do absolutely take your point.

[Glory Lurker]

The UK is the least powerful nation in western Europe. Beside us, Ireland is a collusus. Malta and Luxembourg could safely chuck sand in our eye.

[hibsbollah]

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This whole conversation started because i said it was 'constructive ambiguity', the phrase you took issue with. Its not supposed to be clear, thats the whole point. Its vague enough that everyone can take what they want from it - classic EU fudge to allow us to move on to the next phase in negotiations.

As for your two pals, i dont know about that im afraid - but the comment about this not being about the status of your two pals, amd being about bigger issues still stands.

So if you know about the deal and its implications, what do you need clarity on?

Well i know that the deal has moved us on past the sticking points, without throwing NI back into violence, and without drawing arbitrary borders within out country (at least for the time being). I also know that for the first time in months, maybe years, all sides of political spectrum, remain/brexit, amd the EU and British govts are all happy - that is a good outcome in my book, and so im happy that i know enough to know its a good deal.

Youve missed my point, again, but since you're obviously not interested in engaging with any other angle than your own, just move on.

[RyeSloan]

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You are Keith Joseph and I claim my £10

Though I do agree with your broader point about impact assessments

Ha ha well I doubt my ramblings on here will have the same impact as some of Joseph's

[Bristolhibby]

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Agreed. But the status quo is not an option anymore, that ship jas sailed. It literally is now about making the best of a situation that i certainly didnt vote for. In that context, im pleased we have moved on to the nitty gritty of the discussions.

But i do absolutely take your point.

Put the final deal to a vote and the ship hasn’t sailed.

I’d be up for that

J

[ronaldo7]

Thank god for the Irish. When the DUP, and the hard brexiteers get hold of the devil in the detail, we'll be back to a cliff edge.

https://t.co/cUA3Sks0Lt

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Put the final deal to a vote and the ship hasn’t sailed.

I’d be up for that

J

Maybe yeah - but thats unlikely.

[Mr White]

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Thank god for the Irish. When the DUP, and the hard brexiteers get hold of the devil in the detail, we'll be back to a cliff edge.

https://t.co/cUA3Sks0Lt

As the Irish government pointed out this week it's ironic that the DUP have such a big say in all this since NI voted to remain in the EU, they don't represent the majority of the Northern Irish electorate on the issue. Not that that'll concern them in the slightest of course as they have no problem twisting and blocking democracy.

[Golden Fleece]

How difficult is it to build a bridge between northern Ireland and Scotland. No borders

[Golden Fleece]

Northern Ireland will still be able to get Irish passport due to the good Friday agreement. They will still have access to full EU citizenship!!!!

And the rest of the UK can get lost.

EU and Japan have just signed the largest free trade agreement. Nice one leave campaign.

[Glory Lurker]

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Northern Ireland will still be able to get Irish passport due to the good Friday agreement. They will still have access to full EU citizenship!!!!

And the rest of the UK can get lost.

Thank god we voted no in 14.

On the NI angle though, “our” bunch are effectively kicking it in to the long grass in the hope something works out over the next year that allows a final deal to be made, like the last 1000 years were drunk. The EU are hoping that there’ll be a change in direction/ government that is happy to keep us in the single market.

[Colr]

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Northern Ireland will still be able to get Irish passport due to the good Friday agreement. They will still have access to full EU citizenship!!!!

And the rest of the UK can get lost.

EU and Japan have just signed the largest free trade agreement. Nice one leave campaign.

I hope we can have UK wide regulatory alignment on that one, then.

I’m very keen to get an EU passport.

[McD]

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I hope we can have UK wide regulatory alignment on that one, then.

I’m very keen to get an EU passport.

Wasnt that what the DUP have said, that they won’t vote for a deal where NI are treated differently to the rest of the UK?

Apologies if I’ve misunderstood that

[Mr White]

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Wasnt that what the DUP have said, that they won’t vote for a deal where NI are treated differently to the rest of the UK?

Apologies if I’ve misunderstood that

They'd probably be quite happy to scrap the rule that anyone born in NI is entitled to ROI citizenship. Thankfully it's out of their hands.

[-Jonesy-]

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Wasnt that what the DUP have said, that they won’t vote for a deal where NI are treated differently to the rest of the UK?

Apologies if I’ve misunderstood that

So long as it's different enough to allow them to ban same sex marriage and abortion.

Utter cretins

[Golden Fleece]

We will get to have 'iconic' blue passports again. At what cost to the country?

FWIW I discovered my 1978 'iconic' blue passport, and it is decidedly not blue.

[hibsbollah]

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We will get to have 'iconic' blue passports again. At what cost to the country?

FWIW I discovered my 1978 'iconic' blue passport, and it is decidedly not blue.

It's kind of black/blue, wasn't it? On the other hand, anything to remove maroon things from the planet should be applauded. Hurrah for the Conservative Party!

[JeMeSouviens]

Latest polling on Brexit:

http://www.comresglobal.com/polls/18394/

43% favour a 2nd ref and if held, Remain ahead 55% - 45%

31% confident of a good deal, 65% not confident.

[lord bunberry]

I know it’s an advert, but every time I see it, it sums up my attitude to brexit
https://youtu.be/V-1UNaA92fg

[RyeSloan]

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I know it’s an advert, but every time I see it, it sums up my attitude to brexit
https://youtu.be/V-1UNaA92fg

That's we shouldn't be tied to Europe and that we could trade and interact freely with the rest of the world ourselves?

[lord bunberry]

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That's we shouldn't be tied to Europe and that we could trade and interact freely with the rest of the world ourselves?

No, that what makes our country what it is, is diversity and the influence of immigration 😜