Lennon's "baggage"

[Hibbyradge]

What is this "baggage" that so many people say he brings?

Do people think that he tried to primed his own bombs, sent himself bullets and death threats, and arranged for someone to run onto the pitch at Tynecastle to attack him? Maybe he beat himself up and the poor guys who were jailed for doing so, were framed?

Regarding the Tynecastle assailant, by the way, he openly admitted assaulting Lennon in court, and had apologised for doing so, but the jury returned a not proven verdict! What???

And Lennon somehow gets the blame for all of this. Bizarre.

[Waxy]

Baggage? Myth.

[Hibbyradge]

Read this.

Why kill Neil Lennon?

https://www.theguardian.com/football...ll-neil-lennon

[High-On-Hibs]

You can't ignore the "baggage".

[lapsedhibee]

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And Lennon somehow gets the blame for all of this. Bizarre.

Gingerism gone maaaad.

[Off the bar]

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What is this "baggage" that so many people say he brings?

Do people think that he tried to primed his own bombs, sent himself bullets and death threats, and arranged for someone to run onto the pitch at Tynecastle to attack him? Maybe he beat himself up and the poor guys who were jailed for doing so, were framed?

Regarding the Tynecastle assailant, by the way, he openly admitted assaulting Lennon in court, and had apologised for doing so, but the jury returned a not proven verdict! What???

And Lennon somehow gets the blame for all of this. Bizarre.

I think the pbs assault was charged as a religiously motivated attack, and the motivation wasn't proven hence no prosecution.

For what it's worth I think Lennon will be the managerial equivalent of swapping Scott Allan for super John McGinn.

[lyonhibs]

Let's not kid ourselves that he loved winding up opposing players and fans during his playing career. Clearly didn't justify the Orcs behaviour, but he wasn't a wee angel.

Couldn't care less and don't see how it will affect his ability in the Hibs role or suitability for the role though and if their wacky minds' interpretation of this "baggage" brings the Huns and Jambos to biblical seethe levels, I'm cool with that.

GGTTH

[Stokesy's on fire]

Kris Commons will hopefully be in his baggage ha

Great managerial appointment for Hibs this.

[worcesterhibby]

have checked with my inside sources and I can confirm that this is his baggage

[JeMeSouviens]

He likes noising up the Huns.

[Hibbyradge]

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Let's not kid ourselves that he loved winding up opposing players and fans during his playing career. Clearly didn't justify the Orcs behaviour, but he wasn't a wee angel.

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That's got nothing to do with "baggage" though.

Scott Brown, Leigh Griffiths, Ian Black, Barry Fergusson, Joey Barton and many more are all in the same mould.

No-one says they have "baggage".

[s.a.m]

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What is this "baggage" that so many people say he brings?

Do people think that he tried to primed his own bombs, sent himself bullets and death threats, and arranged for someone to run onto the pitch at Tynecastle to attack him? Maybe he beat himself up and the poor guys who were jailed for doing so, were framed?

Regarding the Tynecastle assailant, by the way, he openly admitted assaulting Lennon in court, and had apologised for doing so, but the jury returned a not proven verdict! What???

And Lennon somehow gets the blame for all of this. Bizarre.

The prosecution were to blame for that one: charged him with an offence they couldn't prove (sectarian motivated assault), as opposed to one they could (assault).

[Pretty Boy]

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Let's not kid ourselves that he loved winding up opposing players and fans during his playing career. Clearly didn't justify the Orcs behaviour, but he wasn't a wee angel.

Couldn't care less and don't see how it will affect his ability in the Hibs role or suitability for the role though and if their wacky minds' interpretation of this "baggage" brings the Huns and Jambos to biblical seethe levels, I'm cool with that.

GGTTH

Plenty players enjoyed winding up opposing fans and players and didn't have to deal with a fraction of what Lennon has.

Not aimed at you as you haven't claimed such but anyone who doesn't believe a lot of what Lennon faced was down to pure religious bigotry is extremely naive.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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He likes noising up the Huns.

The seethe

[Dashing Bob S]

The baggage is not Lennon's, but Scotland's sectarian burden. Because he came over as counter-aggressive and truculent, rather than conciliatory and diffident when faced with this crap, the most extreme bigots were allowed to set the general agenda against him.

That was slavishly followed by many, including some of our own supporters, due to resentment against Celtic, who had the economic advantage over other clubs, and had assumed a lot of the old hun-like arrogance that accompanies that status.

I'm delighted we have him, and that he winds up opposition fans. But the only people who seriously hate him are bigots, and the fools who allow themselves to be duped by them.

Ignore the first category, educate the second.

[heretoday]

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The baggage is not Lennon's, but Scotland's sectarian burden. Because he came over as counter-aggressive and truculent, rather than conciliatory and diffident when faced with this crap, the most extreme bigots were allowed to set the general agenda against him.

That was slavishly followed by many, including some of our own supporters, due to resentment against Celtic, who had the economic advantage over other clubs, and had assumed a lot of the old hun-like arrogance that accompanies that status.

I'm delighted we have him, and that he winds up opposition fans. But the only people who seriously hate him are bigots, and the fools who allow themselves to be duped by them.

Ignore the first category, educate the second.

Hear hear!

[Spike Mandela]

My concern now is that all fan and media focus on Hibs will be seen through the prism of the old firm and sectarianism.

Yes it's wrong, yes Hibs and Neil will do their professional best to ignore and overcome it but I fear it may overwhelm us.

[SlickShoes]

Rangers fans are spewing bile all over the internet about this appointment. I have no doubt he knows that even though we are in the division below he will still be treated like human garbage by the actual human garbage of this country.

[Heckys Wheel]

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The seethe

Disgraceful

[Hibernia&Alba]

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My concern now is that all fan and media focus on Hibs will be seen through the prism of the old firm and sectarianism.

Yes it's wrong, yes Hibs and Neil will do their professional best to ignore and overcome it but I fear it may overwhelm us.

Indeed, we don't want Lennon to be the story; we need the focus to remain upon the promotion bid. The problem, of course, is that when the sectarianism makes its inevitable appearance, the story will take on a momentum of its owThe good thing is we won't have The Rangers or Hearts to play next season, which should mean the issue won't be nearly as centre stage as it would otherwise be, and taking much of the sting out of the situation. Everybody at Hibs needs to handle the situation well.

[Fisherrow Harp]

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The baggage is not Lennon's, but Scotland's sectarian burden. Because he came over as counter-aggressive and truculent, rather than conciliatory and diffident when faced with this crap, the most extreme bigots were allowed to set the general agenda against him.

That was slavishly followed by many, including some of our own supporters, due to resentment against Celtic, who had the economic advantage over other clubs, and had assumed a lot of the old hun-like arrogance that accompanies that status.

I'm delighted we have him, and that he winds up opposition fans. But the only people who seriously hate him are bigots, and the fools who allow themselves to be duped by them.

Ignore the first category, educate the second.

. Well said Sir!

[ED Hibee]

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That's got nothing to do with "baggage" though.

Scott Brown, Leigh Griffiths, Ian Black, Barry Fergusson, Joey Barton and many more are all in the same mould.

No-one says they have "baggage".

Plenty of people say those players have "baggage" or carry a similar perceived reputation as Neil Lennon. Personally I have never liked Neil Lennon as he comes across as quite a nasty aggressive person who certainly seems to like confrontation.

Celtic fans used to like to play it up as a Sectarian issue but I don't remember Martin O'Neill getting the same level of abuse despite coming from the same background. I recognise that the orcs at ibrox do have their sectarian agenda but most football fans disliked him for the type of player/manager he was/is.

While not particularly keen on the appointment if he manages to instill a certain level of discipline and aggression in the players without damaging the quality of football too much then Hibs could be onto a winner in getting out of the Championship and I will be cheering him on as much as any other Hibee.

[Waxy]

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The baggage is not Lennon's, but Scotland's sectarian burden. Because he came over as counter-aggressive and truculent, rather than conciliatory and diffident when faced with this crap, the most extreme bigots were allowed to set the general agenda against him.

That was slavishly followed by many, including some of our own supporters, due to resentment against Celtic, who had the economic advantage over other clubs, and had assumed a lot of the old hun-like arrogance that accompanies that status.

I'm delighted we have him, and that he winds up opposition fans. But the only people who seriously hate him are bigots, and the fools who allow themselves to be duped by them.

Ignore the first category, educate the second.

10/10

[(((Fergus)))]

Only baggage that comes to mind is the fact that he still has a stake in a Celtic 10-in-a-row. Will that present a conflict of interest in 2017-18? Hopefully.

[Sylar]

He's been the victim of a poisonous sectarian ideology, but blameless he isn't. He stoked that fire repeatedly on the park and in the dugout during his time as Celtc manager - perhaps most notably when he was caught on camera shouting "orange *******s" into the Rangers dugout during an OF game at Ibrox. Giving some back is probably a natural response to relentless abuse right enough but utilising the same language of sectarian division probably wasn't an advisable strategy.

The abuse he receives is not "his own doing", nor are the bullets, bombs etc that he (and his family) have been forced to deal with. As an opposition player/manager, I hated him because he was so driven to success - he also played the Celtc mantra of victimhood very successfully, blaming all and sundry when it went wrong.

But that drive to succeed is what we need. A manager who gets angry when his team don't perform, who won't think twice about calling people out for how they cover/portray the club.

He's grown and matured a lot in some ways, and although I'm not 100% a fan from the word go, I reckon he'll be a good fit at this time.

[Hibbyradge]

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Plenty of people say those players have "baggage" or carry a similar perceived reputation as Neil Lennon. Personally I have never liked Neil Lennon as he comes across as quite a nasty aggressive person who certainly seems to like confrontation.

Celtic fans used to like to play it up as a Sectarian issue but I don't remember Martin O'Neill getting the same level of abuse despite coming from the same background. I recognise that the orcs at ibrox do have their sectarian agenda but most football fans disliked him for the type of player/manager he was/is.

While not particularly keen on the appointment if he manages to instill a certain level of discipline and aggression in the players without damaging the quality of football too much then Hibs could be onto a winner in getting out of the Championship and I will be cheering him on as much as any other Hibee.

Why aren't those other players sent bombs and bullets in the post?

Why aren't they beaten unconscious in the street and attacked on the filed of play?

[Don Giovanni]

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That's got nothing to do with "baggage" though.

Scott Brown, Leigh Griffiths, Ian Black, Barry Fergusson, Joey Barton and many more are all in the same mould.

No-one says they have "baggage".

Spikey characters all. The kind you hate when they are against you and love when they're fighting you're cause.

Provided Lennon achieves the results on the park expected of him and is championing the Hi-bees I reckon even the doubters like me will grow to love him.

Gaun yersel Lenny!

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[Finn2015]

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That's got nothing to do with "baggage" though.

Scott Brown, Leigh Griffiths, Ian Black, Barry Fergusson, Joey Barton and many more are all in the same mould.

No-one says they have "baggage".

Exactly. The death threats that Lennon received were way beyond the mark and if noising the Huns up is a crime, so be it. They give out plenty but always seem to be outraged when they get something back any way

[ScottB]

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Spikey characters all. The kind you hate when they are against you and love when they're fighting you're cause.

Provided Lennon achieves the results on the park expected of him and is championing the Hi-bees I reckon even the doubters like me will grow to love him.

Gaun yersel Lenny!

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Absolutely.

I'm a bit sceptical on the one hand, but on the other I'm delighted to have someone who will inspire anger, a guy people love to hate! We've missed that for awhile and I think it's the sort of spark we need.

That and he's a proven winner, at the highest level.

[Beefster]

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Only baggage that comes to mind is the fact that he still has a stake in a Celtic 10-in-a-row. Will that present a conflict of interest in 2017-18? Hopefully.

No more so than if Griffiths had been playing for Celtic against us in this year's Scottish Cup. No matter how much you love a particular club, I'd imagine that professional pride and personal glory comes above that when push comes to shove.

Lennon may well want Celtic to win 10 in a row but he'll want Hibs to pump them every time we play them whilst he's Head Coach.