James McClean (West Brom)

[SanFranHibs]

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I don't wear a poppy myself, never have done and I haven't mentioned it in this thread as I believe it is a personal choice.

Unfortunately, I feel he created a lot of unnecessary tension and controversy with his actions over the England flag at the WBA friendly in America, and comments on Twitter about Derry/Londonderry.



Yes, I do realise the difference but I also see the link. Is "Sectarian and political songs" better?



Another question, Pedro. You've steamed into this thread asking numerous questions, you must have an opinion?


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I have never worn a poppy. Indeed my father never wore a poppy and he volunteered in 39, seen action in Africa and Italy and after 'demob' went back in until 48.

If I thought I had a point to make I would think it sensible to make it in front of a large audience. Pointless doing it in my kitchen.

Sports cannot be separated from politics as if the world outside did not exist. Politics is in art, music, television....everywhere

I think the point in a case such as this, is that people who decide to take a stand must accept there may be consequences. However, if the worst sling and arrow of outrageous fortune to befall him is being called a Grade A fud because he said Hibs deserved at least a draw then I think he will be ok.

And he might be pleased at least making Grade A. Who wants to be a Grade B-F fud?

[Berwickhibby]

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Why is he a grade A fud ??

Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

[sleeping giant]

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Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

Not wearing a poppy is not a sign of disrespect.

[gorgie_harp]

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Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

Pish!!

[Dashing Bob S]

Wearing a poppy might be seen by some to be showing respect for the war dead. To me it's an unforgivable lapse in sartorial style.

[CB_NO3]

I respect McClean.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Grade A Fud.

[Berwickhibby]

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Pish!!

Pish to you .... I have my opinion you have yours ....

[SkintHibby]

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Not wearing a poppy is not a sign of disrespect.

Well said that man!

[.Sean.]

Nice words mate

Shame you're a xenophobic, ignorant piece of ****.

In Flanders Field the poppies blow

[Glorious St Pat]

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Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

Rubbish - I too refuse to wear a poppy out of poppy media fascism

[Glorious St Pat]

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Grade A Fud.

Why ? He just applauded the Hibs! Because eh 'a an Irish national refusing to bow down to Establishment pish ?!

[_hucks_]

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Nice words mate

Shame you're a xenophobic, ignorant piece of ****.

In Flanders Field the poppies blow

British army killed 14 civilians in Derry where he's from. The poppy had connotations of that as much as any other conflict; you can't pick and choose.

[ZAGREB RED]

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British army killed 14 civilians in Derry where he's from. The poppy had connotations of that as much as any other conflict; you can't pick and choose.

One of my grandfathers was killed in the Battle of Monte Casino in Italy in WWII, the other one spent time in German and Italian POW camps, so I respect anyone's choice to wear a poppy, but McClean is from London/Derry and has relatives or is it friends who were killed on Bloody Sunday so i respect his right not to wear one, although I do think he should make less of a fuss about it, and just do it quietly and respectfully.

[marinello59]

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Wearing a poppy might be seen by some to be showing respect for the war dead. To me it's an unforgivable lapse in sartorial style.

WTF? Who stole your poppy?
Wait..............

[Andy74]

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One of my grandfathers was killed in the Battle of Monte Casino in Italy in WWII, the other one spent time in German and Italian POW camps, so I respect anyone's choice to wear a poppy, but McClean is from London/Derry and has relatives or is it friends who were killed on Bloody Sunday so i respect his right not to wear one, although I do think he should make less of a fuss about it, and just do it quietly and respectfully.

I don't think it's him that makes the fuss. I think he just wants to get on with doing what he would choose to do.

[Hibby Bairn]

How is this thread still on the main board?

Time for a transfer..

[Forthview]

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British army killed 14 civilians in Derry where he's from. The poppy had connotations of that as much as any other conflict; you can't pick and choose.

The British Army murdered 14 unarmed civilians in Derry and it was covered up by the UK Armed Forces and UK Government, why should that be celebrated?

[wookie70]

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Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

And forcing someone to wear a Poppy is respectful. He has strong views and like poppy wearers he is entitled to those views. I choose not to for many reasons none of them are not respecting those who fell. One being that Lord Haig is one of the reasons why so many fell. Another is the way Poppy Day is being used politically to almost make war heroic and acceptable. I will respect anyone's stand not to wear one or to wear one..

[doddsy]

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And forcing someone to wear a Poppy is respectful. He has strong views and like poppy wearers he is entitled to those views. I choose not to for many reasons none of them are not respecting those who fell. One being that Lord Haig is one of the reasons why so many fell. Another is the way Poppy Day is being used politically to almost make war heroic and acceptable. I will respect anyone's stand not to wear one or to wear one..

My Dad took the Queens Shillling as a Royal Scot. He fought for Queen and Country. He followed the Hibs everywhere. He loved the Hibs. Like me he believed in Free Speech and the right not to be forced into doing anything against one's will.

Well done James McClean. You stand up for what you believe is right or wrong son in the face of adversity and had good reason to by the sounds of it. The corrupted at the top want as many sheep as is possible. It keeps them in power.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

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How is this thread still on the main board?

Time for a transfer..

Get this thread punted. Tiresome in the extreme.

[Dunbar Hibee]

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Shows disrespect to those who fell in the wars by refusing to wear a poppy on his team shirt.

What a lot of *****

[cocopops1875]

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Get this thread punted. Tiresome in the extreme.

Just don't read it

[Yorkshire HFC]

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Get this thread punted. Tiresome in the extreme.

Agree

[Berwickhibby]

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What a lot of *****

Your opinion is a load of *****..... You are happy to support McLean with his opinion but if anybody disagrees out comes the profanities


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[MB62]

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Just don't read it

Hibs.net Main Forum - for fans to talk about HIBS and FOOTBALL in General - as it says on the tin on the forum page.


PUNT this to a different forum.

[monktonharp]

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How is this thread still on the main board?

Time for a transfer..

sweep it under the carpet,. which part of it annoys you? Bloody Sunday or Flanders Fields?

[monktonharp]

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And forcing someone to wear a Poppy is respectful. He has strong views and like poppy wearers he is entitled to those views. I choose not to for many reasons none of them are not respecting those who fell. One being that Lord Haig is one of the reasons why so many fell. Another is the way Poppy Day is being used politically to almost make war heroic and acceptable. I will respect anyone's stand not to wear one or to wear one..

Lord Haig is one of the main reasons we loswt Millions of young men. if we loose 10,000 today, Gerry will lose 20,000 or words to that effect, and the've called the poppy fund after his wife!!

[monktonharp]

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Hibs.net Main Forum - for fans to talk about HIBS and FOOTBALL in General - as it says on the tin on the forum page.


PUNT this to a different forum.

It was McCLEAN that praised Hibs, thus opening the thread innadvertantly better to keep your powder dry though, what with the Easter Rising soon upon us

[mjhibby]

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My Dad took the Queens Shillling as a Royal Scot. He fought for Queen and Country. He followed the Hibs everywhere. He loved the Hibs. Like me he believed in Free Speech and the right not to be forced into doing anything against one's will.

Well done James McClean. You stand up for what you believe is right or wrong son in the face of adversity and had good reason to by the sounds of it. The corrupted at the top want as many sheep as is possible. It keeps them in power.

It is a very emotive subject he is entering into and is indeed either foolhardy or tough as nails to be on social media where I'm sure he gets all sorts of horrible abuse. My dad fought and lost many comrades in North Africa but he never moaned if someone didn't wear a poppy. Respecting those who fought and gave us our freedom should be done by ensuring we have free speech even if we don't agree with it. He does come across as someone who doesn't seem to not realise the storm he causes but surely even in this pic obsessed world of ours he is entitled to his opinion. I'm sure loads of people intensely dislike the national anthem especially the part of crushing the rebellious scots and he obviously feels strongly about his views. He's a brave man to stick to his guns so to speak.