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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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    Youre not seriously suggesting that we dont need an army are you?
    No. Just pointing out that some countries survive quite well without one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HiBremian View Post
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    No. Just pointing out that some countries survive quite well without one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    I'm not apportioning blame, I'm questioning the need for the military to go into schools in the first place. They've got offices on the high st for that. Taking guns into school should not happen.
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    With guns.
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    It's in the link, I provided. I'm sure you read it, didn't you?

    This from a post earlier in the thread.

    Taking guns into school should not happen.
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    The first post on this thread in 18 months was by yourself yesterday, post number 29. No reference to guns in schools in your post at all, only pointing out that the Army is going to deprived areas and the Scottish Government agency Education Scotland confirming the MoD had asked for some statistics.

    So when you posted that your main point was about guns in schools? That was the story?
    No **** Sherlock. FWIW, I'd rather the MOD didn't take guns into schools, although, I think that may have been mentioned in the first sentence of the link, I provided.

    Each to their own, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    No **** Sherlock. FWIW, I'd rather the MOD didn't take guns into schools, although, I think that may have been mentioned in the first sentence of the link, I provided.

    Each to their own, I suppose.
    Deflection again. You know your original point had nothing to do with guns, it was about the Army recruitment in deprived areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    Deflection again. You know your original point had nothing to do with guns, it was about the Army recruitment in deprived areas.


    I agree with you that the Military shouldn't be recruiting in deprived areas with the gusto they are, in comparison to the areas of the luvvies.

    Thanks for agreeing.

    The guns were just a side matter, just like, in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    I agree with you that the Military shouldn't be recruiting in deprived areas with the gusto they are, in comparison to the areas of the luvvies.

    Thanks for agreeing.

    The guns were just a side matter, just like, in the US.
    This post is a fascinating insight into your way of thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr White View Post
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    This post is a fascinating insight into your way of thinking.
    As is your view of posts from the previous evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    As is your view of posts from the previous evening.
    Eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr White View Post
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    Eh?
    I thought you had insight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    I thought you had insight?
    Only when what I'm reading makes any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr White View Post
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    Only when what I'm reading makes any sense.
    You'll be lost on here then. Insight eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    I agree with you that the Military shouldn't be recruiting in deprived areas with the gusto they are, in comparison to the areas of the luvvies.

    Thanks for agreeing.

    The guns were just a side matter, just like, in the US.
    Eh?
    Maybe you should stick to posting links, this really makes no sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Eh?
    Maybe you should stick to posting links, this really makes no sense at all.
    I never replied as I had no clue what the post was about, glad it was just not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Eh?
    Maybe you should stick to posting links, this really makes no sense at all.
    Thanks for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    Likewise, what is the point being made - Army go to deprived areas to talk to young people who may have limited career prospects, offer them an alternative to unemployment or worse. What is the problem?

    Is it because it is the British Army and seen as Unionist, is the need for points to be scored now taking digs at the armed forces?
    Interesting. On another thread you're against under 18's being able to vote because they're not mature enough, but you're quite happy for them to sign up for the army and put their life on the line. Is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Grieves View Post
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    Interesting. On another thread you're against under 18's being able to vote because they're not mature enough, but you're quite happy for them to sign up for the army and put their life on the line. Is that correct?
    Under 18's are not sent to contact zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Grieves View Post
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    Interesting. On another thread you're against under 18's being able to vote because they're not mature enough, but you're quite happy for them to sign up for the army and put their life on the line. Is that correct?
    No, see reply above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Under 18's are not sent to contact zones.
    No, but they are being groomed to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    No, but they are being groomed to do so.
    Stop talking pish, they’re not groomed for anything. They’re trained in many aspects, first aid, driving, education I.e level 2 Math n English, physical training, shooting, discipline, telecommunications etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheReg! View Post
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    Stop talking pish, they’re not groomed for anything. They’re trained in many aspects, first aid, driving, education I.e level 2 Math n English, physical training, shooting, discipline, telecommunications etc etc
    Don't forget:

    Field craft including camouflage, defensive positions, section attacks, assault weapon training, military first aid, military map reading and chemical and biological warfare. Of course it's grooming young men to fight in wars. Or were we talking about the boy scouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    No, but they are being groomed to do so.
    Groomed? Strange choice of words.

    But the simple fact is they are not sent to war zones under the age of 18. Ergo they are not putting their life on the line without having a vote. Surely you can agree on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Groomed? Strange choice of words.

    But the simple fact is they are not sent to war zones under the age of 18. Ergo they are not putting their life on the line without having a vote. Surely you can agree on that?
    What's so strange about the word groomed? You can't deny that they are being prepared (groomed) to take part in armed conflict. That's the whole point of the Junior Soldiers AFC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    What's so strange about the word groomed? You can't deny that they are being prepared (groomed) to take part in armed conflict. That's the whole point of the Junior Soldiers AFC.
    Groomed would imply that they don't know what the Army is for. You are right though, Junior Soldiers are being prepared to be Soldiers with all that implies. It maybe is long past the time when we have the Junior intake at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Groomed would imply that they don't know what the Army is for. You are right though, Junior Soldiers are being prepared to be Soldiers with all that implies. It maybe is long past the time when we have the Junior intake at all.
    I'm not sure what the Hibs net definition of groomed is, but here's one out of the dictionary:

    Grooming-prepare or train (someone) for a particular purpose or activity.

    "star pupils who are*groomed for*higher things"

    synonyms:prepare,*prime,*make ready,*ready,*condition,*tailor;


    IMO the term groomed fits better than trained in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I'm not sure what the Hibs net definition of groomed is, but here's one out of the dictionary:

    Grooming-prepare or train (someone) for a particular purpose or activity.

    "star pupils who are*groomed for*higher things"

    synonyms:prepare,*prime,*make ready,*ready,*condition,*tailor;


    IMO the term groomed fits better than trained in this case.
    Possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Possibly.
    That'll do for me

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    I hear that there are groups of pupils who are organising protests against this...from places like Boroughmuir and St. Andrews no less.

    Noble as these actions might be, they might want to venture into parts of Fife like Ballingry, Lochgelly or Cowdenbeath. These places don’t really need recruitment initiatives because so many people have seen the armed forces as a legitimate way to do something with their lives.
    Mining: gone, shipyards: gone, industry: gone..These places have been left totally isolated and rendered almost pointless by Thatchers deindustrialisation and the rampant spread of neoliberalism.

    I’m all for it. It’s better than spending your youth working in some gig economy job in Edinburgh while giving half your wages over to some private landlord. At least they’ll have a pension at the end of it all.

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    I'm a veteran of HM Forces and now work in a high school last Friday for rememberance they had an assembly and to put it bluntly I got embarrassed when my name was mentioned for returning from conflict. Since then I have had numerous pupils ask me what life in the Forces is like I was infantry I tell them the truth. Great career great friends but be prepared for going to places you don't want to go. Be prepared for the public backlash. Be prepared for being a scapegoat for our governments foriegn policy. Be prepared to visit some amazing places you wouldn't normally ever think of visiting. Be prepared to learn. I think as long as we are truthful let the kids make up those minds when they turn 18.

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    Stop talking pish, they’re not groomed for anything. They’re trained in many aspects, first aid, driving, education I.e level 2 Math n English, physical training, shooting, discipline, telecommunications etc etc
    All of the above plus training to kill. That's just one aspect though and it comes in handy in places like Iraq.

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