Crowds - long term problem

[3pm]

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Throw in some homegrown talent and there is the only USP that matters..

Cannae beat conditional support!

[MSK]

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I know, but apart from that

The pies are still **** !! Now that's terminal decline !!

[Greenblood70]

Scottish football is on its arse, has been for the past 5 or 6 years and will continue to be. I speak as a longstanding season ticket holder but frankly the standard other then the odd few players is deplorable. Most of my fellow season ticket holders these days only still go to socialise and grab a few pints with their pals.

The cost doesn't help but it's not the main reason, let's be honest it's cos we've been in terminal decline over the last half a dozen years.


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[givescotlandfreedom]

11000 was a poor turnout. Even the huns cheered it.

[ionahibby]

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He has a point ? What point ? We have sold over 7000 season tickets, we have a state of the art training centre, a UEFA compliant stadium, finances secure, a competitive team being built, so other than being in the championship and today's poor result at what point does terminal decline kick in ?

We are in the championship for a 2nd season and have had a poor result to add to many we have had, there is your terminal decline!

[emerald green]

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Nah **** it, what's the point, let's just wallow in the doom and gloom

I can only speak for myself here, but I suspect others feel the same way.

It's not a case of wallowing in doom and gloom. Is it completely unreasonable, on a fans forum, for long suffering supporters to express their deep disappointment in such a crushing defeat, on our pitch, and the manner of that defeat?

For me personally, it was made all the worse today by the fact that I simply did not see it coming. No way did I think Hibs would be beaten today by such a scoreline, although I wasn't buying some of the ill informed garbage that The Rangers were p*** and Hibs would walk all over them. I've followed Hibs for far too long to buy any of that rubbish.

[Pete]

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Agree, and football in general is not the draw it once was, but then its not alone golf clubs have seen a sizable drop in memberships for example.

Golf or following a "crap" football team is too much effort for a lot of people nowadays. It's easier to do something that involves sitting on your arse with a remote or a control pad.

[Feed McGraw]

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Every time there`s a thread about low crowds, missing thousands etc I wonder what time people are comparing present crowds with . Back in 1960s and 70s we`d get over 30000 for Derbies ( half crowd Hibbies at both grounds ) and European nights ( 20000 Hibbies and a lot of neutrals ) but since 80s with loads of football on TV , higher prices etc crowds have more or less been like today . In the time of the Tornadoes there were loads of home games with crowds of about 6000 ( open terraces didn`t help ) . In last 15 years crowds went up with good Sauzee / Latapy team and again with Riordan / GOC etc and slowly but surely in late 2012 when team was on great run of results but increases were not massive . In short I don`t think there are as many Hibbies as we think and it would take several years of sustained success and / or much better marketing to change that . If we`d beaten Falkirk in semi we`d have sold 30000 tickets for the final probably more but many of them would have been fans of other clubs .

The biggest crowds ever were when terraces were open and there was certainly not LOADS of home games of 6000 in the time of the Tornadoes. Hibs fans have been let down too many times over the years to maintain large crowds, but a winning, entertaining team, would still get many coming back and give us home crowds the envy of most Scottish clubs.

[Carheenlea]

We don`t have as big a support as what we like to think we do. Yes, we can rustle up big numbers for Hampden days out and occasional important league games, but the numbers properly supporting the club seem to dwindling at an alarming rate.

[Hiber-nation]

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The pies are still **** !! Now that's terminal decline !!

You're telling me. I thought LD was improving the catering. Cold with nasty gristly bits in the middle....won't bother again this season!

[tanfield]

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Humiliation ? Behave yersel, today had no importance for me, I even went shopping with the wife, come the important games, the ones that I actually give a **** about then I will be there, today imo was just another bounce game 👍

This!

[scoopyboy]

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Nope, definitely not a lost cause. I know he would very likely come back to ER if Hibs were to, say, go on a winning run and ultimately win promotion. Might not buy a season ticket, but would turn up at more games and PATG.

Basically, get an attractive winning team on the pitch that can compete again at Premiership level. Judging by today, that's still a long way off sadly.



See above.

So basically he doesn't want to watch Hibs until they are good again, meantime me, you and another 7000+ season ticket holders are trying like f*** to get us back to our rightful place.

What a bloody selfish approach.

When you next text him tell him he's my hero.

[matty_f]

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So basically he doesn't want to watch Hibs until they are good again, meantime me, you and another 7000+ season ticket holders are trying like f*** to get us back to our rightful place.

What a bloody selfish approach.

When you next text him tell him he's my hero.

[Scottie]

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We don`t have as big a support as what we like to think we do. Yes, we can rustle up big numbers for Hampden days out and occasional important league games, but the numbers properly supporting the club seem to dwindling at an alarming rate.

Money is tight for most these days and there is better ways to spend hard earned cash than on the Hibs unfortunately in most people's opinions.

Even if the prices were a fiver to get in these days we'd struggle to get 15k every other week.

[scoopyboy]

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We are in the championship for a 2nd season and have had a poor result to add to many we have had, there is your terminal decline!

Are you saying there is no way back for Hibs?

Terminal means the end does it not?

[emerald green]

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So basically he doesn't want to watch Hibs until they are good again, meantime me, you and another 7000+ season ticket holders are trying like f*** to get us back to our rightful place.

What a bloody selfish approach.

When you next text him tell him he's my hero.

It's a matter of opinion, I suppose, whether you consider someone who has/had supported Hibs for many years selfish because he/she decided he/she basically had enough disappointments watching the club he loves.

Not everyone has the same level of commitment to supporting a club as you (and dare I say me) I'm afraid. If Hibs were "good again", as you put it , Hibs would probably have more than 7,000 season ticket holders. Maybe nearer 9-10,000 IMO.

Presumably your jibe "tell him he's my hero" applies to everyone who has stopped going to ER? No need IMO.

Besides that, my point remains that results like today's do not help in getting folk back to ER. Would you not agree with that?

[scoopyboy]

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It's a matter of opinion, I suppose, whether you consider someone who has/had supported Hibs for many years selfish because he/she decided he/she basically had enough disappointments watching the club he loves.

Not everyone has the same level of commitment to supporting a club as you (and dare I say me) I'm afraid. If Hibs were "good again", as you put it , Hibs would probably have more than 7,000 season ticket holders. Maybe nearer 9-10,000 IMO.

Presumably your jibe "tell him he's my hero" applies to everyone who has stopped going to ER? No need IMO.

Besides that, my point remains that results like today's do not help in getting folk back to ER. Would you not agree with that?

You have made valid points and I take them on board.

However do these so called fans who love the club but don't attend not realise we have a better chance of improving if they all come back.

I cannot bring myself to respect so called Hibs fans who seem to delight in telling mates who still attend that we are dafties and they are the clever ones.

Hearts won't kill us with their 5-1 cup win, Rangers won't kill us with their 6-2 win today. The only ones who will kill Hibs are Hibs fans that jack it and then moan like f*** about it.

Of course results like todays do not help get people back but what can you and I do about it other than try to encourage people to go?

[Alfred E Newman]

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Money is tight for most these days and there is better ways to spend hard earned cash than on the Hibs unfortunately in most people's opinions.

Even if the prices were a fiver to get in these days we'd struggle to get 15k every other week.

Makes you wonder how Hearts manage to shift 14000 season tickets.

[Cabbage1875]

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He has a point ? What point ? We have sold over 7000 season tickets, we have a state of the art training centre, a UEFA compliant stadium, finances secure, a competitive team being built, so other than being in the championship and today's poor result at what point does terminal decline kick in ?

For Joe Punter its not about the stadium or tickets we have sold. On the park is where it counts. It's very difficult to argue there's not a 'terminal decline' in that respect, which is the most important aspect to your normal fan.

Another embarrassing capitulation in a long line of embarrassing collapses today. Hopefully Stubbs got a fright today and we see some more incomings in the next few weeks. That squad is short for me, even with the guys out injured today.

[iwasthere1972]

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11000 was a poor turnout. Even the huns cheered it.

Thought that was pretty decent considering that it's even less important than the diddy cup.

I remember back in 2004 or thereabouts there only being about 7,500 at Easter Road for a Scottish Cup Tie against the old Rangers.

A few good results starting against Montrose and today will be quickly forgotten.

[FranckSuzy]

Only a few weeks ago, folk were saying they weren't even bothered about this game, that it's a crap competition, we shouldn't even bother playing in it etc, but now we're in free-fall/nothing's changed/the players are *****e after one game in the Petrofac Cup, 2 full weeks before the season starts.....

[emerald green]

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You have made valid points and I take them on board.

However do these so called fans who love the club but don't attend not realise we have a better chance of improving if they all come back.

I cannot bring myself to respect so called Hibs fans who seem to delight in telling mates who still attend that we are dafties and they are the clever ones.

Hearts won't kill us with their 5-1 cup win, Rangers won't kill us with their 6-2 win today. The only ones who will kill Hibs are Hibs fans that jack it and then moan like f*** about it.

Of course results like todays do not help get people back but what can you and I do about it other than try to encourage people to go?

You also make valid points with which I entirely agree, especially the bit in bold. The guy we were talking about would never say those of us who still attend are dafties and he's a clever one. He genuinely hates to see Hibs lose. That's why I would never sarcastically tell him he's my hero as you previously put it. I don't think that would help to be honest.

It's a chicken and egg situation. HFC need fans to come back to give the manager & CEO money to improve the squad, but many will not come back until the squad is improved first, and the team are winning regularly and/or get out of this league.

I try to encourage lapsed fans to return when I bump into them in the street, pub, wherever. But as you and I both agree, results like today's don't help one little bit. As I posted earlier, I was stunned by what happened today. I never saw a 2-6 coming in a million years especially having taken the lead in the match. I think the Orcs were genuinely amazed too.

[GreenCastle]

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Makes you wonder how Hearts manage to shift 14000 season tickets.

Hibs would have the same amount if they had won the Scottish Cups and league like they did last season.

Success brings fans to the stadium - simple.

[JollyGreenGiant]

Having renewed 3 season tickets again, buying shares and forking out for the kids strips etc, there was no way I was pay £35 for me and my 2 kids to go to this diddy wee cup game today - just back from holiday and skint!

£10 for kids is what put me off and no surprise to me that FF Lower was empty.

But notwithstanding that, we will be there as usual when the real games start!

[lord bunberry]

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You have made valid points and I take them on board.

However do these so called fans who love the club but don't attend not realise we have a better chance of improving if they all come back.

I cannot bring myself to respect so called Hibs fans who seem to delight in telling mates who still attend that we are dafties and they are the clever ones.

Hearts won't kill us with their 5-1 cup win, Rangers won't kill us with their 6-2 win today. The only ones who will kill Hibs are Hibs fans that jack it and then moan like f*** about it.

Of course results like todays do not help get people back but what can you and I do about it other than try to encourage people to go?

You sum up what it's like to be a hibee. Most of the time I ****in hate them, but deep down I love them. But no matter what happens I'll go with my mates and watch them. Forever.

[Canon Hannan]

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So basically he doesn't want to watch Hibs until they are good again, meantime me, you and another 7000+ season ticket holders are trying like f*** to get us back to our rightful place.

What a bloody selfish approach.

When you next text him tell him he's my hero.

Scoopy you are a true Hibby. I mean that honestly. I can't get to games as I follow my lad every Saturday but still love the Hibs. Hibernian are lucky to have 7000 fans like your good self.

why don't the Board open the West Stand to away supporters like Celtic, Hearts and Sevco while we are struggling? That's an extra 2000 fans at £20 per game? It would also move our fans into a more compact West Stand. I would also close some of the FF corners and even the East. Keep the fans together for now until we improve.

[scoopyboy]

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Scoopy you are a true Hibby. I mean that honestly. I can't get to games as I follow my lad every Saturday but still love the Hibs. Hibernian are lucky to have 7000 fans like your good self.

why don't the Board open the West Stand to away supporters like Celtic, Hearts and Sevco while we are struggling? That's an extra 2000 fans at £20 per game? It would also move our fans into a more compact West Stand. I would also close some of the FF corners and even the East. Keep the fans together for now until we improve.

Canon, I regard myself as a true Hibby but am not claiming to be an uber fan or better than any other Hibs fan.

I am in a position whereby I can go to games, financially, time wise and work wise. Not all of us are in the same boat and I realise and appreciate that.

It's the fans (and we all know some I'm sure) who could go but choose not to and then slate the club or fellow fans for doing so that get to me sometimes.

With that in mind I would have no issue in giving visiting fans a section of the west until such times we are in a better place. When I recall my early years Hearts, Rangers and Celtic all got the away end and the south wing stand of the main stand. Rangers would have shifted the extra 2000 tickets no problem and it would have meant extra money.

[bingo70]

I really don't enjoy it any more tbh. The reason I still go is probably a combination of blind loyalty, habit and getting some time to myself (having a young laddy is hard work!). I completely understand why folk have given up and stopped going.

I've been saying to myself the last few years I'll give it one more year, realistically though I'll keep on going until my boy is old enough to go, if once he's old enough if he's not interested I'll probably decide to call it a day then if there's not been any improvement.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Only 11,000 there today for a game against Rangers. 7500 Hibs fans.
That's lower than we would have got for a St. Mirren game a few years ago.
For all the lard work being put in by Leeann to re-engage the supporters, it appears as the fans are just not buying it.
Not sure what it's going to take to change this but it will need to happen soon.

I don't know the answer to this but if you consider the fans that followed Rangers till they went belly up then transitioned to a new team on lower divisions that might give you a competitor. As for the anthill mob over the other side of town their existence seemingly swing in the balance dependent on their attendance. Their support is also a different demographic perhaps less impacted by the financial state of the nation.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Only a few weeks ago, folk were saying they weren't even bothered about this game, that it's a crap competition, we shouldn't even bother playing in it etc, but now we're in free-fall/nothing's changed/the players are *****e after one game in the Petrofac Cup, 2 full weeks before the season starts.....

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