Wake-up call

[hhibs]

THe squad is clearly very thin,one look at the team and particularily the bench showed that.

Given the number of injuries we seem to collect and lack of fitness of the squad some questions need to be asked about our training,fitness and health support methods.

Oh and please will someone please train Hibs players what to do with f....ing throw ins........bloody awful ,season after season!

As for the SA factor the we need to move on rapidly we have said we are not selling so get the players we clearly need in NOW.

This was a total showing up,time to sign some winners(preferably Fit and uninjured) on this performance Hibs showing themselves short on trainng,fitness,organisation and commitment and are" not fit for purpose".

The writing is on the wall,we need fixed and quickly or sevco will walk this league.

[Tyler Durden]

Also agree Stubbs tactics were wrong and should've changed it for 2nd half. And agree that Oxley needs dropped

[Thecat23]

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I agree with your point that Stubbs should criticise the players and admit it was an awful performance.

I don't agree with permanently negative posters who say Stubbs is a bad manager, we are not ready for the season, we've no chance of winning the league, why haven't we signed more players etc A mix of attention seekers and manic depressives

Yeah that isn't good always reading negatives and I still rate Stubbs btw! Long time to go as well but we must hit the ground running this season.

[hibby6270]

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Okay, was/is a really bad result, however....it is not the final score that worries me, it is the way we capitulated after they equalised. Rangers weren't that good, they didn't have to be, we gifted them goals, a decent keeper would have saved at least 3 of their goals, at the start of the 2nd half and all the way through it we looked as if Stubbs had walked around the pitch at half-time, asked 11 spectators who were wearing hibs tops to play the second half for us. To say we were disorganised is putting it mildly.

Agreed. Sums up today's performance perfectly.
Let's hope if was a one off and not an omen for the rest of the season.

[Ozyhibby]

It's only a wake up call if you act on it. Last seasons slow start should have been a wake up call but obviously wasn't.

[Tyler Durden]

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It's only a wake up call if you act on it. Last seasons slow start should have been a wake up call but obviously wasn't.

That comment will be fair if we lose 4 of our first 6 games. At the moment it's nonsense

[Brightside]

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Telling folk to get a grip of ourselves after losing 2-6 at home to them is hilarious! It's that attitude that's let this club slide to where it is! FFS We need to compete at least, we have injuries yes is it luck?? I've no idea who will come in but we need 3 at least.

Thankfully it was that cup not the league but doesn't make it any easier to take and Stubbs tactics need questioned after that!

First half we were very decent. 2nd half we were murder. Forster injury screwed up the shape and Fontaine had a total mare today. Goalie is rotten too but some on here think he's decent??

[Franck Stanton]

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What puzzles me is Bartley, as far as I know he isn't injured but a wee bit behind with his fitness, surely game time is what he needs and the Ayr game and today's would have given him that.

Agree 100% the best way to get up to speed fitness wise is game time. What was wrong in giving him last half hour against, Berwick, Dunfermline and Ayr ? Not as if any of these teams are world beaters and in any case the results in these games didn't matter.

[Hibrandenburg]

Is that the revolving door starting to creek into motion that I hear?

[iwasthere1972]

I don't tend to stick the boot in but Oxley is murder. Never had any faith in his goalkeeping abilities. Luckily it was a Diddy cup today.

[Hibs1992]

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Wake up call? No, it's a poor manager with players that failed last season.

And this isn't a knee jerk reaction. I've said all along Stubbs' overall results have been poor.

You've been chomping at the bit for a negative result so you could get going, eh?

[Smartie]

I like Stubbs. I think he's an excellent manager and he did well to get us as far as he did last season. All of his early moves this summer suggested that he was aware of our problems creating clear cut chances, taking half chances and killing teams off (we could, again, have been a few up before we let them back into that game today) and so it is unfortunate that he hasn't been able to play his new players today.

My main criticism of him is that I think he is a bit casual and I sometimes detect and air of complacency about him and it really gets on my nerves. The thing that Hearts did last season was to take every single game very seriously indeed. Neilson to me seems like the kind of character that simply would not tolerate slackness that was transmitted to his players and they never let their standards drop (until the league was won). I'm not convinced Stubbs has that same air about him.

What we do not need to hear today is that that wasn't a 6-2 game. It was. We didn't take our chances, we didn't defend well and the scoreline was fully deserved.

He needs to treat today as a wake-up call and he's not the only one. Fontaine - all at sea today. He was immense last season (even though he prone to the odd dodgy performance like today) and he needs to seriously pick himself up - he's a potential POTY but didn't look anything like it today. Stevenson - he HAS to learn to defend better, it looks like a concentration issue. Hanlon started the game very well indeed then went to pieces - what happened? Maybe because these players know that there isn't really anyone waiting in the wings to claim their jerseys means that they think they can get away with performances like that? Malonga - all the ability in the world but his brain is often elsewhere. Try playing like that again when Farid and Keatings are fit. Scott Allan - if you're the player you think you are then you'd be logging onto FollowFollow tonight to find out that they were gushing over your performance and professionalism. Not chuckling at how they nobbled you with their bid then laughing at your half-arsed last half-hour against them.

We've had the fun in La Manga. Now is for some serious work and a bit of soul-searching about what we are looking to achieve this season. I think these players are good enough but they need to show much, much more and we need to get new blood in to complement what we already have but also to push our current players to achieve more.

[WestStandhibee]

the bed wetting on here right now is frightening

admitedlly battered in the 2nd half, but really who cares about this tournament?

so many posters seem to forget we've 5 first team players out injured right now, but lets not allow that to get in the way of player bashing and writing off our season after 1 game eh..

[One Day Soon]

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You've been chomping at the bit for a negative result so you could get going, eh?

I'd say that being thrashed 2-6 at home to your theoretical direct title competitors immediately prior to the start of the season is more than just a 'negative result'.

[Sir David Gray]

Still in shock at today's result.

I couldn't care less about losing in the Petrofac Cup but losing 6-2 at home to our biggest rivals is completely unacceptable and it's totally demoralising.

Stubbs has a huge job on his hands if he's to meet the target of winning the league.

[Pete]

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I'd say that being thrashed 2-6 at home to your theoretical direct title competitors immediately prior to the start of the season is more than just a 'negative result'.

It would have the significance you suggest had this been a league game. They were sharper and this will be taken into consideration during the analysis.

Cheer up. We will be up to speed by the time we play them for real.

[One Day Soon]

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the bed wetting on here right now is frightening

admitedlly battered in the 2nd half, but really who cares about this tournament?

so many posters seem to forget we've 5 first team players out injured right now, but lets not allow that to get in the way of player bashing and writing off our season after 1 game eh..

I might be inclined to agree with you if - with those players out - we had still looked like the team we did field was fast, fit, competitive and capable of running Rangers close to at least a draw at home. They looked none of that.

[MSK]

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Agree 100% the best way to get up to speed fitness wise is game time. What was wrong in giving him last half hour against, Berwick, Dunfermline and Ayr ? Not as if any of these teams are world beaters and in any case the results in these games didn't matter.

With Craig and Robertson gone I would have thought Bartley would have been given some game time, unless like our other signings he is injured, haven't heard otherwise though.

[Hibee Mac]

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At 1-0 up we failed to shoot three times when the opportunity arose (2x STANTON and the three-v-two Malonga breakaway)
Fontaine header can be added to that

If there's a wakeup call then it is only as simple as this... Shoot! Shoot! SHOOT!

Being comfy at one nil and on top killed us last season when we then conceded

We should have had it wrapped up but we paid the price for not shooting

Fully agree, sometimes our players almost seem scared to shoot. Look what happened first time Stanton had a pop on goal! I thought their keeper also looked dreadful today, thought that and stantons goal might have given us some confidence to just have a go from range?

[Andy74]

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the bed wetting on here right now is frightening

admitedlly battered in the 2nd half, but really who cares about this tournament?

so many posters seem to forget we've 5 first team players out injured right now, but lets not allow that to get in the way of player bashing and writing off our season after 1 game eh..

There were similar circumstances in the Malmo game including a couple of teenagers in the back 4 but at the end of the day it's also a horrendous result in a competitive game.

[Sir David Gray]

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With Craig and Robertson gone I would have thought Bartley would have been given some game time, unless like our other signings he is injured, haven't heard otherwise though.

I believe he is injured.

[One Day Soon]

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It would have the significance you suggest had this been a league game. They were sharper and this will be taken into consideration during the analysis.

Cheer up. We will be up to speed by the time we play them for real.

It isn't just them we need to worry about - it is every game of the league, which starts in a fortnight. They are clearly well ahead of us for fitness and putting that together with injuries they look much better placed to start the first three or four games with wins than we do. Those points could easily be the difference between winning the league or play offs. The harsh fact is that we are - for a whole range of reasons - not in the place we should be at by now to be mounting a serious title challenge from the first league game onwards.

[Smartie]

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It's only a wake up call if you act on it. Last seasons slow start should have been a wake up call but obviously wasn't.

A bit harsh.

There were mitigating circumstances last season. Would you have liked to have inherited Butcher's squad?

We just about made it last year but fell short.

We've been knocked out of a diddy cup - no big deal, but serious questions need to be asked of the squad as result of the way we fell out of the game today.

I think it's a wake-up call, I hope Stubbs does too and if we take heed of it then we might be fine.

[Sir David Gray]

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A bit harsh.

There were mitigating circumstances last season. Would you have liked to have inherited Butcher's squad?

We just about made it last year but fell short.

We've been knocked out of a diddy cup - no big deal, but serious questions need to be asked of the squad as result of the way we fell out of the game today.

I think it's a wake-up call, I hope Stubbs does too and if we take heed of it then we might be fine.

We didn't just lose in a diddy cup, we got humped by our biggest rivals.

[Pete]

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It isn't just them we need to worry about - it is every game of the league, which starts in a fortnight. They are clearly well ahead of us for fitness and putting that together with injuries they look much better placed to start the first three or four games with wins than we do. Those points could easily be the difference between winning the league or play offs. The harsh fact is that we are - for a whole range of reasons - not in the place we should be at by now to be mounting a serious title challenge from the first league game onwards.

Well let's see how we get on in the first few games then. I'm not going to make any judgements or have any idea of what our chances are until then.

[Smartie]

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We didn't just lose in a diddy cup, we got humped by our biggest rivals.

I know.

Would you have preferred to edge them out today then get pumped by them in the league in August?

If there's one game I'll accept getting pumped by them this season then it is in the Petrofac Cup. Yes, it would have been better to play well, lay down a marker and dent their confidence but it didn't happen. The best thing we can now do is to do our best to learn from it.

It doesn't matter how well or badly we play, if we lose to them on 23rd August I'll be spewing. And I'll be much the same if we drop any points to Dumbarton or Morton in our first 2 league games.

[Pete]

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We didn't just lose in a diddy cup, we got humped by our biggest rivals.

Are you suggesting this game will have a negative mental effect on the players? If you are I disagree as I believe we will analyse the game, look at the problems and sort them.


..or are you speaking as a rather pissed off fan. :-)

[RedHibby]

I can not get my head round the fact the new signings that have not kicked a ball in anger are injured/not fit.

[high bee]

Time to wake up indeed.

Drop Oxley,
Get fitness levels up,
Sign some more players

And for God sake will someone tell our midfielders to shoot. Stanton showed what happens when you have a go.

I can see Stubbs point about not being a 6-2 game. We looked good for 30 mins and they didn't have a look in. Same old story for us, we dominate and score 1 if we're lucky, other team dominates and puts the game to bed (or in the case of smaller teams they get one chance and score)

[gaz1875]

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At 1-0 up we failed to shoot three times when the opportunity arose (2x STANTON and the three-v-two Malonga breakaway)
Fontaine header can be added to that

If there's a wakeup call then it is only as simple as this... Shoot! Shoot! SHOOT!

Being comfy at one nil and on top killed us last season when we then conceded

We should have had it wrapped up but we paid the price for not shooting

Absolutely even towards the end Martin right through the middle and passed rather than shoot. Our failings last season will be our failing this season very few shots at goal and even less on target!!