Stanton handling away?

[Lago]

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Its quite easy, with what Stubbs has said, their agents would not be doing their jobs if they had not spoken to the club on this matter.

And you are being a little naive if you cant read football manager speak. Telling players who are under contract they are not going to get much football is what managers say to players they want out the door.

Their agents will be actively looking for other clubs as we speak.

Thanks for translating football manger speak for me.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Thanks for translating football manger speak for me.

No problem, glad i could be helpful.

[Brightside]

All 3 have offers from other clubs. Stanton from the Prem, Harris from this league, Handling from League 1 down south.

No idea if they will go, but personally I think Handling has the right attitude to stay and fight.

[JIm]

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All 3 have offers from other clubs. Stanton from the Prem, Harris from this league, Handling from League 1 down south.

No idea if they will go, but personally I think Handling has the right attitude to stay and fight.

I believe it to be Motherwell in for Harris although he would prefer move down south/abroad.

[J-C]

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I believe it to be Motherwell in for Harris although he would prefer move down south/abroad.

Harris's problem is he was never really a real footballer, went to a posh school and was a decent rugby player and due to his all round sporting prowess managed to do reasonably well at football. TBH I had never heard of the lad when he was playing U20's, nothing about him on here until he was plucked from there by Fenlon and had an amazing 2nd half of that season, a broken ankle later and he's disappeared back into obscurity and averageness.

[JIm]

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Harris's problem is he was never really a real footballer, went to a posh school and was a decent rugby player and due to his all round sporting prowess managed to do reasonably well at football. TBH I had never heard of the lad when he was playing U20's, nothing about him on here until he was plucked from there by Fenlon and had an amazing 2nd half of that season, a broken ankle later and he's disappeared back into obscurity and averageness.

He went to a posh school? Who gives a flying ****, what a stupid comment to make.

Harris will do just fine and a change of scenery will do him good.

As for his time in the 20's he was prolific, perhaps you had already made your decision due to the fact he was at a 'posh school'.

[CapitalGreen]

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Harris's problem is he was never really a real footballer, went to a posh school and was a decent rugby player and due to his all round sporting prowess managed to do reasonably well at football. TBH I had never heard of the lad when he was playing U20's, nothing about him on here until he was plucked from there by Fenlon and had an amazing 2nd half of that season, a broken ankle later and he's disappeared back into obscurity and averageness.

He was discussed a lot on here while he was playing at Under 17 and Under 20. There were people calling for him to be brought into the First team much earlier than he was.

[ancient hibee]

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When someone posted saying they were free to find another club if they wished, you said that was untrue...............is that not the same as telling them they can go or stay and fight for a place, to me and many others it means they've been told they're surplus to requirements unless they start pre season on fire.

No -there was a claim that BBC had said they were released-it's not true.What you seem to be saying is that they have been told they are surplus to requirements unless they are playing well.Is there any player not in that category?

[ancient hibee]

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Harris's problem is he was never really a real footballer, went to a posh school and was a decent rugby player and due to his all round sporting prowess managed to do reasonably well at football. TBH I had never heard of the lad when he was playing U20's, nothing about him on here until he was plucked from there by Fenlon and had an amazing 2nd half of that season, a broken ankle later and he's disappeared back into obscurity and averageness.

Alan Gordon went to the same posh school-didn't seem to hold him back.Willie Woodburn went there as well.

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Harris's problem is he was never really a real footballer, went to a posh school and was a decent rugby player and due to his all round sporting prowess managed to do reasonably well at football. TBH I had never heard of the lad when he was playing U20's, nothing about him on here until he was plucked from there by Fenlon and had an amazing 2nd half of that season, a broken ankle later and he's disappeared back into obscurity and averageness.

I dont know where to begin with that comment. The less said about the posh school comment the better. I watched Harris regularly at u19 and u20 and he stuck out a mile. And he was electric when he broke in to the first team. Sadly that deliberate foul from that crank at Motherwell has knocked him back a considerable distance.

[monarch]

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Harris's problem is he was never really a real footballer, went to a posh school and was a decent rugby player and due to his all round sporting prowess managed to do reasonably well at football. TBH I had never heard of the lad when he was playing U20's, nothing about him on here until he was plucked from there by Fenlon and had an amazing 2nd half of that season, a broken ankle later and he's disappeared back into obscurity and averageness.

Aye you can't be a real footballer unless you've been brought up on a sink estate and skipped school regularly while kicking a can around a piece of waste ground with clogs on your feet.
What a load of blocks.

Can 't remember George Heriots doing Alan Gordon much harm.

[JimBHibees]

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Harris's problem is he was never really a real footballer, went to a posh school and was a decent rugby player and due to his all round sporting prowess managed to do reasonably well at football. TBH I had never heard of the lad when he was playing U20's, nothing about him on here until he was plucked from there by Fenlon and had an amazing 2nd half of that season, a broken ankle later and he's disappeared back into obscurity and averageness.

Thats a ahocker.

[Paloschi]

Regarding Alex Harris, I think he should definitely be kept on. The boy has massive potential. He had a very serious injury then struggled under Butcher, as did Robertson, Craig and other prominent squad members.


This video was only posted 2 years ago, yeah he has struggled since then but I think Stubbs would be crazy to let him go. He deserves a chance and we are short as it is in midfield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoPds4gItpU

[Ozyhibby]

Frank Lampard went to a posh school and speaks Latin. Doesn't seem to have held him back much.

[The Hibee Harp]

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Regarding Alex Harris, I think he should definitely be kept on. The boy has massive potential. He had a very serious injury then struggled under Butcher, as did Robertson, Craig and other prominent squad members.


This video was only posted 2 years ago, yeah he has struggled since then but I think Stubbs would be crazy to let him go. He deserves a chance and we are short as it is in midfield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoPds4gItpU

The problem being Butcher left a year ago and it is now a year and half since Boozy returned from the injury. That's a big chunk of his playing career lost. He has had a lot of chances since that injury and never taken any of them.

My personal opinion is that the injury has done more damage than we thought and he won't now reach the standard we believed he could.

[lochhibs]

Personally it wouldn't break my heart if handling left. I'd like Stanton and Harris to stay though "

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No -there was a claim that BBC had said they were released-it's not true.What you seem to be saying is that they have been told they are surplus to requirements unless they are playing well.Is there any player not in that category?

It's been stated a few times already but in a Hibs TV interview Stubbs said they had been told they can leave if they can find clubs. No, that doesn't apply to every player.

[ancient hibee]

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It's been stated a few times already but in a Hibs TV interview Stubbs said they had been told they can leave if they can find clubs. No, that doesn't apply to every player.

So players that are not playing well enough to get a game are not considered surplus to requirements?

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Aye you can't be a real footballer unless you've been brought up on a sink estate and skipped school regularly while kicking a can around a piece of waste ground with clogs on your feet.
What a load of blocks.

Can 't remember George Heriots doing Alan Gordon much harm.

Is JC not just suggesting that at his school he will have been involved in a range of sports and not specifically brought up and trained as a footballer?

He was predominantly a rugby player at school which is a wee bit puzzling as it's the getting into challenges aspect that he doesn't seem that comfortable with.

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So players that are not playing well enough to get a game are not considered surplus to requirements?

I give in. Watch the interview.

[J-C]

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Thats a ahocker.

Explain shocker, the lad was a well known all rounder at school, excelled in almost all the sports he competed in, there isn't many footballers come from the public school sector, there have been some but not many. There were quite a few on here who questioned Harris's heart and his desire for the game, maybe his upbringing has something to do with this, from what I've seen of him since his injury is, he has little desire to take that next step forward in his career. As has been said, it's now been a while since the break and the Butcher debacle, is the lad ever going to improve or has he got as good as he's going to get. We've had many a player come through the ranks who looked the business when young and never progressed as they should have, Harris I feel is another of these.

[Smartie]

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Harris's problem is he was never really a real footballer, went to a posh school and was a decent rugby player and due to his all round sporting prowess managed to do reasonably well at football. TBH I had never heard of the lad when he was playing U20's, nothing about him on here until he was plucked from there by Fenlon and had an amazing 2nd half of that season, a broken ankle later and he's disappeared back into obscurity and averageness.

The "posh school" stuff in there is the kind of crap you would expect from a football visionary like Terry Butcher.

Generally you'll find that any professional sportsperson has an aptitude for many different sports, many skills are transferable. If you have to make a choice between which sport to specialise in it is better for you to make a choice as late as possible because the skills you pick up playing all of the sports help in the other ones.

We really need to get away from pigeonholing people too early. If you're big and strong at 8 years old then you're a centre-half at football for life, freeing players because they're too wee, writing off players as not being footballers because they once played rugby. Absolute nonsense.

Harris has probably frustrated me more than any other player we've had over the past couple of years. He hasn't cut it in a Hibs shirt for a long time and it gets harder over time to realise whether he just doesn't have it, whether he doesn't want it or because the injury knocked it out of him.

Maybe he's just about to find it again though?

I don't think your statement above is any way fair to Harris.

[PatHead]

Unless we are going to get a massive jump in season ticket sales maybe we have reached the end of our budget and need to move a few on to free up wages if they are not breaking through.

We will have Craig and Robertson's budget but Fyvie, Keetings, Oxley and Boyle will be eating into that.

[J-C]

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He went to a posh school? Who gives a flying ****, what a stupid comment to make.

Harris will do just fine and a change of scenery will do him good.

As for his time in the 20's he was prolific, perhaps you had already made your decision due to the fact he was at a 'posh school'.

I went to a posh school, played rugby for them and was brought up in Leith playing footie in the links with my mates and latterly for Edina Hibs.

The posh school comment was made because football is generally never played there, he went to Edinburgh Academy, one of the poshest in Edinburgh, I'm challenging the lads Heart for the game and does he really want to be a footballer. There are times when I watch him and he looks so quick and almost unbeatable, than other times he looks like a sheep lost in a field full of wolves. Does he have the guts and determination to be a top pro, I have my doubts but would loved to be proven wrong, just like with Handling and Stanton who have also been very disappointing.

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Is JC not just suggesting that at his school he will have been involved in a range of sports and not specifically brought up and trained as a footballer?

He was predominantly a rugby player at school which is a wee bit puzzling as it's the getting into challenges aspect that he doesn't seem that comfortable with.

I am suggesting just that.

Although he is a very good footballer, sometimes your background and upbringing also dictates what kind of mentality you will have.

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I am suggesting just that.

Although he is a very good footballer, sometimes your background and upbringing also dictates what kind of mentality you will have.

I'd have thought you need to have real balls to play rugby, you get hit a lot harder in that than you do in football.

[Brightside]

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It's been stated a few times already but in a Hibs TV interview Stubbs said they had been told they can leave if they can find clubs. No, that doesn't apply to every player.

ONLY if they don't want to fight for their place. So they have been told "they can leave if they want to" NOT "they can leave if they can find clubs"

[JIm]

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I went to a posh school, played rugby for them and was brought up in Leith playing footie in the links with my mates and latterly for Edina Hibs.

The posh school comment was made because football is generally never played there, he went to Edinburgh Academy, one of the poshest in Edinburgh, I'm challenging the lads Heart for the game and does he really want to be a footballer. There are times when I watch him and he looks so quick and almost unbeatable, than other times he looks like a sheep lost in a field full of wolves. Does he have the guts and determination to be a top pro, I have my doubts but would loved to be proven wrong, just like with Handling and Stanton who have also been very disappointing.

I agree it is generally played more within public schools but school football within private schools is way bigger now than when you were a youngster. Its extremely popular and Hibs system is proof of that with various over past few years coming out of Private schools.

Regarding heart there is no doubt many have questioned it on here, however without trying to make excuses you just need to look at all the factors involved, poor management (extremely poor at times), serious injury, age and experience as well as his old man passing away a couple of years ago. There is no doubt in my mind that is a lot to deal with over an extremely short period of time as well as the pressures of being in the public eye. That's alot for anyone to adjust too/get over.

His form at Dundee latterly however was encouraging, Hartley wanted to keep him although for some reason Stubss re-buffed.

I think some of the younger guys need a bit more time to prove themselves personally, its too cut throat and kids like Harris should have been managed better. He no doubt has ability and pace that really does terrify defenders. People look at the short term too much (but then i suppose that is the business of full time professional football) and for me he particularly this year could have a massive impact if given the chance, support and managed correctly.

I do however think that he is now at the stage where the best thing for him might be a move and a change of scenery, by all accounts he is of the same mindset. I just hope now that its a move down south/abroad where he can really broaden his horizons and develop withouth the pressure of being a local lad coming through the system. I also believe a move from Edinburgh would do him wonders.

Also an interesting stat - one of only a few i would imagine to have scored at both Hampden and Murrayfield in competive competitions!

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ONLY if they don't want to fight for their place. So they have been told "they can leave if they want to" NOT "they can leave if they can find clubs"

So whatever way you look at it, the club are happy to let them go aye?

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Explain shocker, the lad was a well known all rounder at school, excelled in almost all the sports he competed in, there isn't many footballers come from the public school sector, there have been some but not many. There were quite a few on here who questioned Harris's heart and his desire for the game, maybe his upbringing has something to do with this, from what I've seen of him since his injury is, he has little desire to take that next step forward in his career. As has been said, it's now been a while since the break and the Butcher debacle, is the lad ever going to improve or has he got as good as he's going to get. We've had many a player come through the ranks who looked the business when young and never progressed as they should have, Harris I feel is another of these.

You were trying to outline that his background had meant he was mentally fragile in some way. Personally think he has it all to do to develop a successful career in the game. His confidence seemed to take a dent after his leg break and allied to Butcher probably meant he wasnt getting the encouragement he may have needed. He is still a young kid however we do need to realise he probably only had a 2 month spell where he was really good running up to the Cup final in 13. his loan to Dundee seemed to have started well then tailed off for some reason. From what I can see Boyle is a better bet to be a first team player than Alex. Hope he does kick on however last season he wasnt great and has it all to do.